Washington (CNN) – A scheduled showdown vote Thursday evening in the U.S. House will determine how Congress and the White House proceed on fiscal cliff negotiations.
Hours before the vote, both sides insisted that they were open to further talks but also resorted to heated political rhetoric as time for a deal continued to disappear.
Plan B will get shot down. Just how many democrats does Boehner think will vote yes on his plan?
So, just for the record, and to be sure I have this right.
Instead of taking a plan that both Boehner and Obama worked on that has both tax increases and budget cuts (about $1.2 trillion and $800 billion respectively), Mr. Boehner decides to give the richest Americans ANOTHER giant tax cut? The assessment of his bill is that it once again gives the rich (even those earning more than $1 million per year) large tax cuts- far, far greater than those further down the income ladder- and it adds to the deficit. What IS he doing? Does Boehner expect Obama to bail out is idiotic spending behavior with a veto? If so, to what end?
Why can the GOP NOT understand this? The budget surpluss that the Bush tax cuts of 2001 were meant to correct has long left this earth. Since then the GOP has doen everything they can to bankrupt America- and failing that, to simply stop working (they are essentially Congressional "welfare cheats").
We cannot fix their "Voodoo" economics by making the poor and middle classes pay more. The rich (who flourished while we all suffered) need to have skin in this game too.There is simply no logic here, just a hatred of the President and working class Americans.
Perhaps Boehner needs to stop running to Grover Norquist for approval (perhaps Grover should go to jail for interferring with Congress), and ask his constituents what they want.
Vote GOP and vote against yourself!
Boehner knows that he cannot simply compromise at this time, not while there's still time left on the clock. Compromising now would make him look weak, and his base would grumble about him caving in. I wonder if they've figured out that they're doing the same thing to themselves that they did a year ago: painting themselves into a corner and looking like stammering fools in the process.
The Pastor says "Shovel out the money to Lord Jesus, He will shovel it back to you (Proverbs 19: 17) He will
"open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" –
(Malachi 3: 10). "The winds and the sea obey Him" (Matthew 8: 27 ; Mark 4: 41; Luke 8: 25)
Reid will trash can, it, on Obama's say so, in the Senate. It will never even be discussed.
The socialists have turned this country in their own dictatorship, at the expense of the people.
You're right of course (and way more succinct), but the GOP is done. This protracted political suicide does none of us favors. They are on the wrong side of virtually every political issue. I think the real question is:
Will they compromise at the last minute, or; ttry to take the nation doewn just because they can't get their way.
What utter fools they are!
'Plan B' should be rejected by the White House.
Plan "B" is complete political theatre and is a WAsTE OF TIME. The Senate won`t pass it and the President won`t sign it. Lastly, the American people rejected it by endorsing the President`s approach of tax cut extention for those earning $250,000 or less.
John Boehner is not a leader, Under him, this Congress has accomplished less than any other in history. Why is he SO IMPOTENT?
The President has compromised already and yet the Teapublicans are still trying to hold the American middle class hostage.
Mr. President, Boehner has shown you he is a coward. He has shown you that he can`t sell any compromise. HE CAN`T DO IT. You, sir need to be a leader and set him up for future success. We MUST go over the "fiscal curb" 1st. Then and only then can Boehner POSSIBLY get his caucus to move toward compromise. The Republicans are like a child who has to get a slight "burn" from the stove before they take their hand off of it. Turn the heat back up by doing nothing until Boehner seeks re-election as the Republican leader in January.
"'Plan B' should be rejected by the White House."
Obama already quite clearly promised to veto any such nonsense. The GOP's/Teatrolls' attempt to shift the blame and leave the spending cut battle for a debt ceiling hostage situation is nothing more than slow-motion self-hanging.
You know, GOP/Teatrolls, you'd probably find it a lot easier if you just drew a hot bath, threw on some Enya (because if anythign can drive you to hare kari, it's her) , drink a bottle of Wild Turkey and hop to it with the razors. Remember...it's down the street, not across the road....
I'd suggest this was an elaborate form of political hare kari or seppuku...but then I remembered...there's no honor in the foolish games the GOP/Teatrolls are trying to play with our society and governmental systems.
Anyone with an ounce of sense will "trash can it"- it adds to the deficit- something Republicans claim to be against- although we all know their record for "cut tax and spend" states otherwise.
We should feel sorry for Boehner he is squeezed in between the two Republican supper bosses Grover Norquist and Rush Limbaugh. This time is even difficult that the two didn't agree with the plan "B" there is not much Boehner can do.
no democrats will vote for plan b, that's the way it was drawn up, its just a political stunt, they have been doing the exact same thing since the took over the house. pass some garbage and blame the democrats
The GOP under Boehner's and McConnell's "leadership" is so used to doing counter-productive things, they simply can't help themselves (or us apparently) anymore. It appears they have forgotten how to lead. All they are capable of now is being the disloyal opposition.
Speaker Boehner is being Generous!,
My Bill would Repeal Obama Care, Extend the Bush Tax Cuts for those over $250,000 for at least another 10 years and let the Tax Rates for those undrer $250,000 go back the the Clinton Rates. Compromise is over. For at least the last 75 years conservatives have bee comprising. All there is to show for it is Lie after lie by the Liberal's and Democrats and a vast wasteland of over 16 Trillion in Debt.
Take the Deal, Liberal's while you can!
All you Nanny Stater;'s that still need a baby stter sign up here.
The line forms at the left. Check your brains, what little you have at the door. You won't need 'em. Remember, Joe Btfsptk has your back.
Be prepared to wait a long, long time for your (Acrued Benifits).
They are so stupid to follow Grover's plan that come 2014 they will just be hiding in the corners because they will lose everything. If Grover has so many supporters why didn't he run for public office??????
"two Republican supper bosses"
You had me confused there for a second when you referred to a "Republican supper boss"...thought you were talking about Christie.
@Rick McDaniel – The socialists have turned this country in their own dictatorship, at the expense of the people.
Ah, the clueless continue with their unabashed support of the LOSING team. Seriously tho' lets look at who REALLY turned the country into their own dictatorship at the expense of the people. That would be the 8 years of the worst President in US history – yes, that's the one BEFORE the current resident. Talk about he expense of the people !!!
In 8 short yrs we went from a budget surplus (+$283 Billion) to the LARGEST deficit in history ($1.47 TRILLION), a national debt increase of approx $8.8 TRILLION (when factoring in the 2 unfunded wars that Obama's budget paid for), an $850 BILLION TARP bailout for banks "too big to fail", Medicare Part D (unfunded), 6,000 US soldiers and an estimated 100,000 Iraqs (collateral damage) DEAD !! Need I go on ??
And at whose EXPENSE was all that ??? Look in mirror Ricky boy !!
Ah.. "Plan B"... Plan B"... Where have I hear that before... Oh, it's the morning after pill! Seems similar to many of the other "poison pill" plans the Republicans have passed. And this one will be aborted as well (after they already effed things up...).
We want something that will last, JB. Do you JOB for a change!!
"For at least the last 75 years conservatives have bee comprising."
Is that why taxes are the lowest they've been in 60+ years? Why we were told things like "deficits don't matter" only to watch the people who said it create massive ones that ran up the debt and then turn around using the deficits and debt as their justification for obliterating Medicare and SS? And yes, sigh, it was Repulicans who ran up the dweficits and debt...the numbers don't lie. You really need a lesson in negotiation, by the way. The GOP/Teartolls have no leverage in this one. Based on the polling data, they're delusional if they think the public is going to blame Obama and the Dems and, structurally, we get far more than Boehner is offering by just letting the country go over the cliff and allowing the public put the pressure on the GOP/Teatrolls, who will get the blame, to cave to Obama's demands. Moreover, the GOP's influence is dwindling due to demographic shifts that they still haven't figured out how to address, because they've spent the last 75 years alienating every minority group in the country. It's pretty much over for you guys for a very very long time unless you can manage to pretty much destroy the federal gov't...whcih you're doing an admirable job of at the moment...but you'll ultmately fail.
Any approach that requires fiscal responsibility, a budget, and sticking to a plan that will make tomorrow better for everyone will quickly be opposed by the liberal masses because it may affect their ability to provide handouts for votes.
Can we get some adult supervision sent to Washington? Please?
Obama: cut more spending. You campaigned on cutting military costs, just do it. Let Israel pay to rearm themselves and Egypt can buy their own F16s.
Boehner: Drop it to $250k and be done with it.
Let's go. You guys are killing us with this petty "I want my way" crap.
Ray E. (Georgia)-
Yes, but the problem for your bill is that you are obviously crazy.
And a 16 Trillion dollar federal debt, with no brakes on that train, isn't crazy?
The Speaker's Plan B: Canadian whiskey instead of single malt Scotch.