Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill
April 11th, 2013
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Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

Washington (CNN) - The U.S. Senate voted Thursday to overcome a Republican-led filibuster against tougher gun laws, clearing the way for a major congressional debate on a package of proposals sought by President Barack Obama in the aftermath of the Connecticut school massacre.

The procedural vote followed a breakthrough by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-West Virginia, and Pat Toomey, R-Pennsylvania, on broadening background checks to include private purchases at gun shows and on the Internet.

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  1. james

    this whole debate over gun registrations, reg your magazines, thats mentally ill, when you go to my local dealers you can just buy a clip without registration, they get more than 200 gun sales a day do you really think there is enough employees to register magazines? ppl there are classes dhs has to do with riots and civil unrest and taking your guns, took classes through dhs its going to happen face it gun reg, leads to confescation, thank gfod i dropped out of the third part of the training ones i heard that!

    April 11, 2013 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  2. Bob Marshal

    Support Your Local Gunsmith:
    The Federal Government's jurisdiction in these types of laws and regulations come from the Commerce Clause and only effect sales where the item is transported across state lines. If the item is sold in the same state it was created in these laws do not apply. See the Quick Reference to Federal Firearms Laws put out by the ATF. It specifically states the three elements for federal enforcement as being:
    A. Possession or receipt of a firearm.
    B. This is where it lists the classes of subjects; Felon, Alien, etc.
    C. The firearm was transported across a state line at any time.

    April 11, 2013 01:08 pm at 1:08 pm |
  3. Mark

    Whatever side of this issue you may sit on, the very idea of a filibuster ought to make you fume; I do not want debate squandered and squelched because some are afraid of debate. i want to see them discuss, argue, isn't that why we apparently send them there? Stifling debate does not end the discussion,.

    April 11, 2013 01:09 pm at 1:09 pm |
  4. Schrund

    Of the mass muders in the last 50 years, what would have been the outcome of a "Background check" on the suspects at the times of the crimes? I have heard nobody report on this, yet it seems the central question to me. Of the same timespan of crimes, what sized "magazines" were used, and what would have changed if a different sized magazine were used? Again, I have heard nobody report on this and yet it seems a very central question that should be answered. If we don't have answeres to these questions, aren't we arguing just for the sake of arguing?

    April 11, 2013 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  5. Ben

    Hmmm.... Only 2% of the murders are done with assault weapons. Wasting time & increasing hostility on that one. Universal background checks is a good start – I would also limit clip size to (5) bullets. Since we can't eliminate crazies let's at least make them reload & lower the total assault victims. If you can't kill a deer with 5 bullets there is something seriously wrong.

    Ben in Austin (Hunter, Fiscal conservative, Social moderate)

    April 11, 2013 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  6. g

    right after they wrote, the secound amendment .they went out to the slave quarters and handed out guns–right. idon,t think that every body.was to have a gun -

    April 11, 2013 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  7. OldSchool

    @ngiotta – Oh yes, selling firearms on craigslist is against their policy, but people do it anyways. You're right though, the video I saw of someone doing just that must have been made up. BTW it was a veteran gun owner who was the purchaser, not some leftist gun-grabber, don't take my word for it, watch it for yourself...

    April 11, 2013 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  8. Jc

    You folks are amazing. The reason the for the filabuster was because the bill was to be presented as-is, which means no amendments. No other bill is take it or leave it, why should something as important as gun control be so one sides? By the way, Internet sales do go through a background check. Its amazing how little people know about what they are screaming about. The only sites that can sell guns have to be licensed. If you buy a gun on the I teensy it has to be shipped to an FFA (licensed gun dealer) and you have to pass an NICS check before taking possession. You can't buy a gun on eBay or Craigslist like Obama seems to think. There's nothing wrong with Internet sales. They are regulated enough.

    April 11, 2013 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  9. no number

    1. Most gun deaths are by handgun
    2. Most guns show vendors are licensed dealers and have been for decades. Those buying from them have to have back ground checks to purchase.
    3. "Assault rifle" is a military weapon and rarely available for the consumer to purchase legally.
    4. I stopped going to gun shows ages ago. The prices and selection were awful.
    5. I see that criminals and those not now allowed to have weapons,like convicted felons, are not being required to do anything different. Of well.

    April 11, 2013 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  10. common sense

    not one child from Conn. would have been saved by the proposed gun laws. the mother of the killer was perfectly within the boundries to own her gun according to these proposed new laws. her mentally ill son took her guns and killed. more people are murdered by alcohol and does anyone care.NO. do you have to do a background check to buy beer no. not even if your a repeat offender.

    April 11, 2013 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  11. The One

    The stupid .... it flows strong in some people.

    I think we should make a law that requires people to have anything they wish to say, text, post online or otherwise communicate be checked and approved before they are allowed to do so. After all, most altercations that result in death are due to a prior exchange of communication. See, if we make that law then people might think twice about antagonizing someone else in to a physical or deadly altercation. If only one life can be saved it's all worth poo'ing all over our right.

    April 11, 2013 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  12. John, PA

    So let the debate begin, it's going no where! Oh and as a gun owner and Pennsylvania voter, Pat Toomey days are numbered, next time around it's a NO vote for Pat Toomey.

    April 11, 2013 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  13. Al

    Propose a law that will ensure that criminals will not get their hands on any weapon then you can have the good people attention, until then any law is nothing more than a killing of trees.

    April 11, 2013 01:18 pm at 1:18 pm |
  14. g

    any body against back ground checks would not pass the smell test-thats what they are afraid of

    April 11, 2013 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  15. Mike M

    This bill has stricter penalties for gun trafficking. I wonder if they can retroactively apply that to Eric Holder for the 1700+ guns he authorized to be sent to Mexico by illegal "straw purchasers".

    April 11, 2013 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  16. rs

    I think it is time to treat the NRA like the Taliban- after all if we could say that because of the policies of the "Taliban" (the NRA), 3,300 Americans died by shootings in the last 4 months, it becomes very, very clear that much greater action would occur against that threat.

    April 11, 2013 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  17. no number

    1. Most gun deaths are by handgun
    2. Most guns show vendors are licensed dealers and have been for decades. Those buying from them have to have back ground checks to purchase.
    3. "Assault rifle" is a military weapon and rarely available for the consumer to purchase legally.
    4. I stopped going to gun shows ages ago. The prices and selection were awful.
    5. I see that criminals and those not now allowed to have weapons,like convicted felons, are not being required to do anything different. Of well.
    6. Private sale at shows will require background checks? Golly, I wonder if these private parties will think to leave the gun show and complete a transaction elsewhere, without scrutiny of some govt/law enforcement official.
    7. Since when have gun purchases over the internet been done without background checks in recent decades?

    April 11, 2013 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  18. Patriot

    I did not see the Democrates or liberals complaining about the filibuster when they used it against Pres. Bush. You want to talk about whinning, look in the mirror. BTW, background checks are already conducted at Gun Shows if you purchase from a gun dealer. Also, there is no loop hole, any purchase from a private person, be it from a gun show or next door neighbor, no background check is required and it has always been that way. So before you start whining, know what your talkiing about. I personally will not submit to King Obama and his liberal personal agenda. Lying and standing behind innocent children to push his agenda is no better than a terrorist standing behind religion or using children has shield to push their agenda.

    Read what the founding fathers stated about the 2nd Amendment and study ALL the decisons since, you all might learn something about the history of thsi country.

    April 11, 2013 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  19. jkweb

    The famous words of our first President," Citizens should not just be armed but armed to meet a threat from both foriegn and domestic". It means if our government goes to far stripping your rights its your right to fight back.
    Now with that thought in mind there arent to many other countries like us. Some say armed to the teeth but then too if we then become like China or Russia who then can stand to appose. I see swat teams with auto matic weapons, I see drug lords armed with automatic weapons; will they be turning thiers in too. Do these names mean anything Hitler, Stalin, Pollpot, Mladic dictators who slaughtered millions. Think it cant happen here? Those who think me crazy well you will be the first on the train.

    April 11, 2013 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  20. Namecarol

    What ever passes, will be watered down so much as to be useless. Talking is good. I would like to see guns registered like cars and licensing required so they are used safely.

    April 11, 2013 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  21. no number

    I am sorry to say, that the proposed "gun control" will do nothing to stop crime or mass murders. l'll continue to rely on my own resources to stay healthy and alive.

    April 11, 2013 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  22. bigdicmcgee

    @Old School

    you realize the SCOTUS has also ruled the police do NOT have to protect you either?

    April 11, 2013 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  23. SayHeyThursday

    The more people we arm (preferably as many high-assault weapons as possible), gun related violence and deaths will go down.

    - Gun Rights Advocates

    April 11, 2013 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  24. Truth Hurts

    When laws are passed making things that are legal, illegal, this in effect makes current law abiding people criminals...So the thing you once did without thinking twice, becomes something you do with the risk of losing freedom. Its said many times that only criminals commit gun crimes, if these kinds of laws go into effect, there will be many more breaking the law & they are counting on that...anyone convicted of a felony, loses the right to gun ownership...They would very much like to see that list become much longer. It boils down to this, do what we say, or we will take your gun...that is the beginning of confiscation!

    April 11, 2013 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  25. AZ Girl

    Ok, without any snarkiness, I have an honest question to ask. WHAT is so wrong with universal background checks on ANY purchase? With the exception of blood/family related exchanges?

    Could someone give me a viable reason why not? Without the leftie/rightie, libby/con rhetoric. A well thought out response please. Anyone?

    April 11, 2013 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
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