Reid to shelve gun bill
April 18th, 2013
01:45 PM ET
2 years ago

Reid to shelve gun bill

(CNN) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday he'll set aside proposed gun legislation without a final vote following the defeat a day earlier of major provisions sought by President Barack Obama and Democrats in the aftermath of the Newtown school massacre.

"(Obama) and I agreed that the best way to keep working towards passing a background check bill is to hit pause, and freeze the background check bill where it is," he said on the Senate floor. "This will allow senators to keep negotiating."

A Senate Democratic leadership aide said Reid can bring up the package of gun proposals again if circumstances change and he believes he has the votes for key provisions to pass, particularly a measure to expand background checks on gun buyers.

"We're gonna have time to work on what people want to do before we come back to this," Reid said, adding that this option allows them to return to the bill without returning to square one. "It will only be a matter of time."

"The stand of the Republicans is not sustainable," he said. "The question is how long they're going to stand firm–but it's not sustainable."

In a major defeat for supporters of tougher gun laws, the Senate on Wednesday defeated a compromise plan to expand background checks on firearms sales as well as a proposal to ban some semi-automatic firearms modeled after military assault weapons.


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  1. Nelson Colorado Springs Co

    REPLY to the-man, I have 23 weapon I am card carrying member of the NRA. the-man are you? I'm glad i am in the springs I can drive off the side of the road and shoot my weapon. Thank you very reading what I said. Go President Obama

    April 18, 2013 03:47 pm at 3:47 pm |
  2. Texas Holdem49

    This is the old tin foil trick. Get the American people talking about irrelevant issues and by night pass legislation that continues to take your freedoms. Only 4% of those polled from a list of 8 key issues care about gun control. The bigger issues are the economy, jobs and deficit. Let's put our efforts in lobbing our congresssional leaders to solve the problems that face everyday Americans. Let's face reality, without jobs and a strong economy, guns will only be needed to shoot the people that try to take your stuff. However, get a strong vibrant economy with realistic wages and prosperity will diminish the need to worry about guns. No one has the spin to address the wage issue in America and the $600 billion dollars since 1980 that has been taken out of the pockets of the middle class. Wages are the issue, that would fix a lot of problems.

    April 18, 2013 03:47 pm at 3:47 pm |
  3. Lord Toronaga

    I can't get over beating the liberals and Obama on their pet project. They brought out all their props and lies. LOST. They don't even understand guns and the purchasing of guns. Shows their weak spot....lying way too much. How does it feel being caught ?

    April 18, 2013 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  4. Guest

    Bad solutions are always destined to fail, and ignorant people are always easily swayed. Democrats better hurry up and do a victory lap, lame duck oblabla is quickly approaching! Say goodbye to holding the senate as well.

    April 18, 2013 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  5. Sniffit

    "To me the background check wasn't the issue, it's the banning of certain types of rifles that rubs me the wrong way."

    Well, this article is about the vote on the background checks, not the vote on a separate bill about bans, so you just made your post irrelevant. Funny...that's what the entire GOP/Teatrolls seem to be hellbent on doing to their party too.

    On this one, NRA win = GOP loss. Enjoy 2014.

    April 18, 2013 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  6. rs

    The poll was a lie, Plain and simple. If 90% of the people backed this measure you wouldn't have to worry about the NRA.
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    So, you're going for the delusional line, eh? There have been MANY polls taken in the last month. The lowest positive support for universal background checks was 87%, the highest 92%. I found articles on those polls from news organizations in less than 3 minutes on Google on 7 different national polls.
    Other gun-related measures we still popular, but polled lower (registry, gun bans and so on).

    April 18, 2013 03:49 pm at 3:49 pm |
  7. Peoples State of Illinois

    @SC

    I think what some of you don't know is that ANYONE can buy a gun online or a gun show. They have absolutely no restriction. A sociopath can go online and buy whatever gun they want with absolutely no sort of background check. This is a problem.
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    A proven lie.

    April 18, 2013 03:50 pm at 3:50 pm |
  8. VEW2012

    Thomas Jefferson's Monticello Encyclopedia of Quotes states: "We currently have no evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it" or any of its listed variations."

    April 18, 2013 03:51 pm at 3:51 pm |
  9. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Without its military, this country would be the biggest backward third world country in the world. We are trailing most of the world in math and science and just about every facet of life, integrity, common decency, love , compassion but leading in bigotry, racism, hate, greed, self centeredness, deceitfulness, shamelessness, arrogancy, stupidity, incompetence, illiteracy and global war crimes and atrocity. Land of the DUMB and home of the DUMBER!

    April 18, 2013 03:51 pm at 3:51 pm |
  10. Texas Holdem49

    Did you know that if corporations put back the $600 billion dollars in the pockets of the American workers it would be on average a $3200 increase in wages annually or around a 7% increase for every working American. If the FEd and States took even 3% of that 7% the increase in revenue and the increase in additional spending into the economy would come a long way in fixing Social Security, Medicare, state and federal debt and purchasing power for homes, cars, appliances and big ticket items. Why are the experts not talking about wages?????????

    April 18, 2013 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
  11. The REAL Truth...

    @scott bleyle – Background check= registration= future confiscation,always has been.
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    Please don't display your nievete to the whole world. Obama (nor any future POTUS) is NOT coming to take your guns away. FEAR and IGNORANCE is string with this one.
    60 yrs ago might have been possible, but it CAN'T HAPPEN today with social media and smart phones. IF the order was ever given, the whole country would have to be confiscated at the same time. Besides, i'd guess that 80% of those ordered to carry out the confiscation would be gun owners and either refuse or broadcast the event. The ENTIRE country would know about it in under an hour. Sure.. a few might actually get confiscated, but the rest would mysteriously vanish. Anyone who believes that registration = confiscation.. needs to crawl back under their rock. They'll be safer there!

    April 18, 2013 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
  12. RB

    Truthfully, I haven't investigated the "90% support" claim–don't know how the question was asked, how the samples were taken, etc, etc. I do know the administration continues to use that bogus "40% of gun sales are done without background checks" figure, and that they continue to foster the patently false impression that all gun sales at gun shows and over the Net are unregulated. My son couldn't even buy a grip frame over the Net without involving a Federally-licensed dealer and a background check. The continuous pattern of deception on the part of the administration and their gun-control allies is enough to make me have grave doubts about their constantly-expressed "90%" support. Oh, and BTW, what's this "semi-automatic firearms modeled after military assault weapons" biz? Is CNN trying to make some little effort at accuracy here?

    April 18, 2013 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
  13. rs

    I can't get over beating the liberals and Obama on their pet project. They brought out all their props and lies. LOST. They don't even understand guns and the purchasing of guns.
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    Actually, if it has not been for the spineless GOP Senators, and their filibuster, the bill on background checks would have passed 54-46. Don't worry, the bill(s) will come up again, and with the next massacre, the pressure will grow. Meanwhile, the GOP just lost 2014.

    April 18, 2013 03:53 pm at 3:53 pm |
  14. The Real Tom Paine

    -Legion

    Oh the liberal tears taste so good. To me the background check wasn't the issue, it's the banning of certain types of rifles that rubs me the wrong way. The types of rifles I own are none of your business and you have no right to take them from me. Just like the government has no right to tell a woman how she chooses to live her life in regards to abortion and that the government does not have the right to tell gays what they can and cannot do, the government has no right to tell us what guns we can and cannot own. I don't care what you think i NEED in regards to the ammunition I buy, or the type of rifle I own. Most women don't NEED to murder their unborn child, gays don't NEED to get married but it's not our right to say what they do or do not need because it is their RIGHT, so leave us gun owners alone.

    I'm all for fairness, but it must be complete fairness and not selective fairness.
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    Thansk for handing us the midterms and the next president.

    April 18, 2013 03:53 pm at 3:53 pm |
  15. ghostriter

    Vince says concerns that a centralized database of guns and gun owners will lead to gun confiscation have been disproved by 80 years of history with the National Firearms Act, a 1934 law that requires citizens who own machine guns, short-barrel shotguns and certain other highly dangerous weapons to register them with the federal government. Owners of NFA firearms, as they are known, are fingerprinted, photographed and subjected to an FBI background check, and the serial numbers of their guns are kept in a federal database, whose contents, Vince says, have never been divulged outside of a legitimate law enforcement inquiry. Most important, these weapons are rarely used to commit crimes. The NFA has effectively removed these guns from the criminal marketplace.

    April 18, 2013 03:54 pm at 3:54 pm |
  16. The REAL Truth...

    @Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer – Land of the DUMB and home of the DUMBER!
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    Individually, we have some pretty smart folks in this country. Collectively we are dumber than an amoeba!

    April 18, 2013 03:54 pm at 3:54 pm |
  17. The Real Tom Paine

    -Peoples State of Illinois

    @SC

    I think what some of you don't know is that ANYONE can buy a gun online or a gun show. They have absolutely no restriction. A sociopath can go online and buy whatever gun they want with absolutely no sort of background check. This is a problem.
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    A proven lie.
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    Pastor Rick Warren's son did just that, and he used a weapon purcahse online, with no serial number, to kill himself.

    April 18, 2013 03:55 pm at 3:55 pm |
  18. rs

    I think what some of you don't know is that ANYONE can buy a gun online or a gun show. They have absolutely no restriction. A sociopath can go online and buy whatever gun they want with absolutely no sort of background check. This is a problem.
    -----------
    A proven lie.
    ____________________
    Not in Arizona, and probably not in other states. AZ.s gun laws are pathetic. Our legislature just passed a gun's rights bill that makes it illegal to destry a firearm.

    April 18, 2013 03:55 pm at 3:55 pm |
  19. ghostriter

    Selling guns without a license was made a lot easier when Congress passed the 1986 Firearms Owners' Protection Act (FOPA), which narrowed the definition of "those who engage in the business of" selling firearms and were required to buy a license. "You could tell if someone was engaged in the business of selling firearms by looking at a simple sequence of sales," says William J. Vizzard, a former ATF agent and now a professor of criminal justice at California State University, Sacramento. But the new law exempted "collectors," people engaged in "occasional sales" and those selling guns from a "personal collection" regardless of its size, all of which greatly expanded the universe of unlicensed sellers. After FOPA, Vizzard says, "we'd arrest a guy with hundreds of guns, all with price tags on them, and he'd say they were part of his collection, and the tags were to let his family know what they were worth in case he died." Vizzard says the law should define a dealer based on the number of guns he sells.

    April 18, 2013 03:55 pm at 3:55 pm |
  20. Legion

    Sniffit, this particular bill was on background checks, I know that. But the issue of gun bans are still very much a topic of discussion as well. My post was hardly irrelevant and I find it amusing that all you were capable of doing was attacking me as a GOP/Teatroll instead of offering any real substance to counter any points that I made. Typical....

    As Socrates once said – "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

    April 18, 2013 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
  21. ghostriter

    Damn, I'm on a roll....

    The current system of background checks is also hampered by ongoing problems with data collection. Missing from the NICS system are millions of state and federal records that would disqualify prospective buyers—including mental health and drug abuse records, and case histories of accused felons. A report by the Government Accountability Office found that 17 states have provided fewer than 10 mental health records to the database between 2004 and 2011. As a result, thousands of prohibited buyers slip through the cracks every year. In 2010, about 3,000 such cases were identified. The president's gun violence plan calls for additional funding to help states compile mental health and other records and get them into the system.

    April 18, 2013 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
  22. ghostriter

    The absence of background checks for potentially millions of gun sales each year means that an ATF agent trying to trace a gun picked up at the scene of a homicide may find no paper trail. If he's lucky, a dealer will identify the first buyer. But 85 percent of traced crime guns had changed hands at least once before being recovered by law enforcement, and none of those secondary buyers were run through the NICS system.

    The investigative challenges are further complicated by a series of riders authored by then-Rep. Todd Tiahrt, (R-Kan.), in 2003 in collaboration with the NRA. One of the Tiahrt amendments, as they're known, requires the FBI to destroy information contained in Brady or NICS checks within 24 hours. When a felon purchases a gun, he commits a new felony. But the FBI now has only 24 hours to figure that out. In effect, the FBI is required to destroy evidence of a crime. "Obviously, bringing the record retention down to 24 hours would preclude any significant investigation," says Julius Wachtel, a retired ATF agent with 20 years of service. "One might as well not even bother."

    According to the NRA, the rider "protects the privacy of law-abiding gun buyers."

    April 18, 2013 03:57 pm at 3:57 pm |
  23. Loki

    Why even waste time talking to greasy liberal pedophiles. You lost. Your opinions are irrelevant. I'm going to range to shoot my AR. ahhhh so sweat.

    April 18, 2013 03:58 pm at 3:58 pm |
  24. Robert

    The only thing unsustainable is the budget. Gun control is a marginal issue that only keeps everyone's focus off the bad economy and exploding debt we are handing to our children.

    April 18, 2013 03:58 pm at 3:58 pm |
  25. Legion

    -Tom Paine

    I think you're in for a very rude awakening. However, I am not a GOP'er and I'm certainly not a Democrat. It's sad how few people realize that the Rupublicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin.

    April 18, 2013 03:59 pm at 3:59 pm |
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