May 8th, 2013
05:20 PM ET
1 year ago

The latest on Benghazi hearing

Washington (CNN) - The long-awaited House committee hearing on the Benghazi terror attacks featuring State Department whistle-blowers has started with statements from Rep. Elijah Cummings, of Maryland, the ranking Democrat on the committee, and chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California. The whistle-blowers, Gregory Hicks, Mark Thompson and Eric Nordstrom, will brief the committee on what happened during the September 11, 2012, terrorist attack that killed four Americans. In the lead-up to the hearing, Republicans have said the State Department officials will tell the truth about what happened during the attack. Democrats say they have been frozen out of the investigation.

5:19 p.m. - After more than five hours, the Benghazi hearing concluded.

"The hearing is closed, but the investigation is not over," said Rep. Darrell Issa, the chairman on the House Oversight Committee.

5:15 p.m. - After hours of testimony, the hearing turned to Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state who is considered a leading Democratic presidential prospect in 2016. Many Democrats have charged the Republicans on the committee with politicizing the Benghazi issue in an attempt to mar Clinton's record.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, recalled Clinton's heated remarks in a past hearing.

“If anyone wants to ask ‘what difference does it make,’ it always matters whether or not you can trust your government,” Gowdy said Wednesday. “And to the families, we’re going to find out what happened in Benghazi, and I don’t give a damn whose career is impacted. We’re going to find out what happened.”

4:20 p.m. – Republican Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina: "Earlier you talked about the ARB fixed blame on mid-level, or those career employees, not those at a senior level or the political appointees, is that correct?"

Nordstrom: That's correct. Ambassador Pickering asserted that it was made at the assistant secretary level and below. That's at variance with what I've personally seen.

Meadows: So you personally believe that the decisions are made at a much higher level. Mr. Hicks, I see you're nodding your head, is that correct?

Hicks: Yes, I believe so.

Meadows: So the ARB in looking to place blame in those career employees ignored a whole lot of the, what you would say, the decision makers in terms of assigning blame, correct?

Nordstrom: Absolutely.

4:14 p.m. – Hicks answered a question on why Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi on September 11, 2012.

"At least one of the reasons he was in Benghazi was to further the secretary's wish that that post become a permanent constituent post and also there because we understood the secretary intended to visit Tripoli later in the year," Hicks said. "We hoped that she would be able to announce to the Libyan people our establishment of a permanent constituent post in Benghazi at that time."

4:10 p.m. - Republican Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky asked Thompson if he's convinced that the changes have been made so that this won't happen again for another Embassy?

"No," Thompson said.

3:30 p.m. - From CNN Foreign Affairs Reporter Elise Labott:

Under questioning from Rep Jim Jordan (R-OH) Greg Hicks told the Oversight Committee that the State Department he was instructed not to let his staff speak to a visiting Congressional delegation investigating the Benghazi attack.  Hicks said State Department lawyers instructed him not to let the embassy’s Regional Security Officer be personally interviewed by Rep. Jason Chaffetz.

This was the first time he was ever instructed not to talk with members of Congress, Hicks said.

Hicks told the Oversight Committee a State Department lawyer accompanying the delegation attempted to sit in every meeting the delegation had at the embassy. When the lawyer was excluded from a classified briefing with Congressman Chaffetz because he did not have the appropriate security clearance, Hicks said he received an angry phone call by Cheryl Mills, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Chief of Staff.

“A phone call from that senior person is not considered to be good news,” Hicks said. “She demanded a report on the visit. She was upset.”

The State Department maintains it at no time prevented employees from speaking with members of Congress and encouraged staff to cooperate with the independent Accountability Review Board investigating the attacks.

Philippe Reines, senior adviser and spokesman for Hillary Clinton, responded to Jordan's questioning in a statement to CNN.

Greg Hicks didn't get much in during Congressman Jordan's – I guess I'll call it rant given his decibel level – but his accusation was entirely out of line and not based on what little Greg said. Jordan clearly went in there intent on yelling "cover up" and he was going to yell it no matter what he heard. He could've asked Hicks about his favorite color and Jordan would have blurted out "cover up" in response.

So I'll address his accusation – which is completely & utterly false – by telling you what I remember about that day.

To take a step back, from the moment we learned of the attack in Benghazi, Cheryl Mills did everything she could, round the clock for months on end, right up until our very last day in February, to support our personnel in Tripoli, and keep our 70,000 people worldwide as safe as possible. Anyone who worked around or with her will tell you she gave every bit of herself to the Department. You know half the building, you'll hear the same. You could throw a dart in the cafeteria and it would likely hit someone who will tell you how much she added to the Department and meant to them personally.

And you know I was attached to her at the hip for most of our last five months at State, and never once did she treat anyone with anything other than respect and complete professionalism. Not even me when I deserved it.

In this instance, I was with her and I remember it vividly because we were hearing from our people in Libya that some at Embassy Tripoli were left unsettled by their interactions with the CODEL – which was made up of only Jeremy Chaffetz because he refused to allow any minority member to join him (or is it Jason Chaffetz?) – and the position they felt they were being put in. Which btw, Jeremy/Jason Chaffetz pledged before his trip he wouldn't do, and that he would completely respect the integrity of the FBI investigation by not interrogating State personnel, who had also just been through hell, were still in a dangerous situation, and lost colleagues and friends – including their ambassador Chris Stevens who they adored.

State sent a legal advisor as sop to Tripoli so that any personnel on the ground who wanted their advice or presence for any conversation could avail themselves of that option. For their own protection and comfort. Chaffetz refused to let this person on government plane, and resented his being in Tripoli (after he was forced to fly there on his own). And he decided he didn't want this person around. Which wasn't his choice to make for the individuals on the ground. If those individuals didn't feel a need for it, they didn't have to take it. And nobody was told to keep Chaffetz from speaking with anyone. That's completely at odds with the cooperative approach the Department has taken with the Congress – all eight of the committees looking into this – from day one, until today.

So after hearing these disturbing reports from several people on the ground, Cheryl said she wanted to call Greg herself to find out how the CODEL went (also remember that it was soon after the attack and we were worried that a CODEL, which requires a great deal of embassy support, would tax their resources at a very difficult time), and that we were behind and with them 100%. She wanted them to know that no matter how far away they were from home, they weren't alone, that the Department was with them, that she was with them, and most importantly, that the Secretary was with them.

I heard Hicks say that nobody senior had ever called him with good news. That's too bad. But he'd never met Cheryl. That's who she is, that's what she does.

I remember it so vividly because in the midst of a very trying time, it was exactly what you'd hope a leader would do at a time like that. To take a moment to talk to the people on the ground, doing the work, trying to do that work under difficult circumstances after a terrible event, making sure they're ok.

So I'm hoping that if Greg Hicks had been allowed to say more than yes or no and actually elaborated on the conversation, Jordan's accusation would be revealed to be as specious as it is.

What I do know though is that Tom Pickering, who led the review and interviewed Greg for their report, said as recently as today in some interview that Hicks expressed nothing like what Jordan is alleging.

2:55 p.m. - Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona played footage of Hillary Clinton’s Senate testimony, in which she asked what difference it made in determining whether the violence sparked from a protest or came from a planned attack.

Gosar then asked Hicks what difference he thought it made.

“I think the question is, what difference did it make? President Magariaf was insulted in front of his own people, in front of the world. His credibility was reduced (because of Rice’s comments),” he said.

“And I definitely believe that it negatively affected our ability to get the FBI team quickly to Benghazi,” Hicks added.

2:24 p.m. – Asked if he would have said the same things Susan Rice said on the Sunday morning shows, Hicks said no.

“Not after hearing what President Magariaf said,” Hick said, referring to the Libyan president, who publicly described the violence as a terror attack shortly after it happened.

“He had gone to Benghazi himself at great personal and political risk. For him to appear on world television and say this was a planned attack by terrorists is phenomenal. I was jumping up and down when he said that. It was a gift for us from a policy perspective, from my perspective sitting in Tripoli.”

2:20 p.m.- Republican Rep. McHenry of North Carolina asked Greg Hicks more questions about Susan Rice’s statements on Sunday morning shows, in which she said the attack originated from a protest.

McHenry: Was there a protocol within the consulate in the event of a protest?

Hicks: Yes there was.

McHenry: Was there any evidence when you were there in Libya on that day that this was a protest?

Hicks: No there was none and I'm confident Ambassador Stevens would have reported a protest immediately if one appeared on his door. The protocol was of course for us to evacuate immediately from the consulate and move to the annex

McHenry: OK. Was there anything in connection to a YouTube video? Was there any awareness that the events occurred because of a YouTube video?

Hicks: The YouTube video was a non-event in Libya.

McHenry: OK. Did you know about that within a couple days or the day of?

Hicks: Yes

McHenry: And so did you report to anyone in Washington within the first couple of days that there was anything in connection, a protest in connection with a YouTube video?

Hicks: No. The only report our mission made through every channel was that there had been an attack on our consulate.

McHenry: Not a protest?

Hicks: No protest.

2:06 p.m. - Multiple members of the committee, including Democrats, vowed to protect the whistle-blowers from any potential threat of punishment from the State Department.

"You have my personal pledge that were there ever to be any hint at retaliation or retribution for your willingness to come forth and tell your version of what happened, this member of Congress will intervene on your behalf," said Democratic Rep. Gerry Connolly of Virginia.

1:54 p.m. – As the House Oversight Committee hears testimony on Capitol Hill, a spokesman for President Barack Obama dismissed the Benghazi hearing as a political event, rather than a true attempt at gathering new information.

“This is a subject that has, from its beginning, been subject to attempts to politicize it by Republicans when, in fact, what happened in Benghazi was a tragedy,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said at Wednesday’s briefing.

He asserted Obama has remained committed since the attack in Benghazi to finding those responsible and to preventing any further violence at American diplomatic posts abroad.

“This administration has made extraordinary efforts to work with five different congressional committees investigating what happened before, during and after the Benghazi attacks, including over the past eight months, testifying in 10 congressional hearings, holding 20 staff briefings and providing over 25,000 pages of documents,” Carney said.

His remarks were echoed by State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell, who reminded reporters his agency has already conducted a review of what happened in Benghazi.

“We've had the accountability review board, we've had their recommendations, all of which we've accepted and are vigorously implementing,” he said.

1:22 p.m. Hicks told the committee that the reason Stevens was in Benghazi on September 2012 was because he needed to finish an “action memo” on how to make the consulate in Benghazi a “permanent facility.”

“According to Chris [Ambassador Stevens], Secretary Clinton wanted Benghazi converted into a permanent constituent post,” Hicks said. “Timing for this decision was important. Chris needed to report before September 30th, the end of the fiscal year on the political and security environment in Benghazi to support an action memo to convert Benghazi from a temporary facility to a permanent facility. In addition, Chris wanted to make a symbolic gesture to the people of Benghazi that the United States stood behind their dream of establishing a new democracy.”

Although, State Department officials acknowledge that Stevens was pushing to make the consulate in Benghazi permanent, Hick’s claim that this was the primary reason for his visit to Benghazi  differentiates from the reason the Obama administration said Stevens traveled to Benghazi.

“Chris Stevens loved his work. He took pride in the country he served, and he saw dignity in the people that he met,” President Obama said in a late September speech to the United Nations General Assembly. “And two weeks ago, he traveled to Benghazi to review plans to establish a new cultural center and modernize a hospital. That’s when America’s compound came under attack.”

1:10 p.m. - Hicks continues to be the most questioned whistle-blower. Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah used his time to ask how military personnel reacted to being told to stand-down after the attack on the Benghazi.

“How did the personnel react at being told to stand down,” the Utah Republican asked.

“They were furious,” Hicks said. “I can only say, well I will quote Lieutenant Colonel Gibson who said, ‘This is the first time in my career that a diplomat has more balls than somebody in the military.’”

Hicks told a similar story to in an interview with congressional investigators before the hearing. Specifically, Greg Hicks wondered why the military did not send a plane into Libyan airspace as a show of force, and why four U.S. Special Operations soldiers were not permitted to travel to Benghazi on a Libyan plane the morning of September 12.

Chaffetz has long focused on this issue. Before the hearing the congressman told CNN that "military personnel were ready willing and able, and within proximity, but the Pentagon told them they had no authority and to stand down."

The congressman's view is refuted by the Obama administration. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta testified in February that the Defense Department didn't have enough time to get armed military assets to Benghazi to fend off a deadly attack on a U.S. consulate in September.

"This was, pure and simple, in the absence, as I said - of any kind of advance warning - a problem of distance and time," Panetta said.

In similar testimony Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey said he could not have gotten troops on the ground within 13 to 15 hours.

1:01 p.m. – Democratic Rep. Carolyn Maloney of New York defended former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I find it truly disturbing and very unfortunate that when Americans come under attack the first thing some did in this country was attack Americans, attack the military, attack the president, attack the state department, attack the former senator from the great state of New York and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, and I would like to ask some questions about these attacks to get at the real facts."

"Last month Chairman Issa went on national television and accused former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton – accused her of lying under oath when she testified before Congress that she did not personally approve of security reductions in Libya.  As proof he claimed that she personally signed a cable denying requests for additional security.  And he stated and I quote – “the Secretary of State is just wrong.  She said she did not participate in this and yet only a few months before the attack she outright denied security and her signature in a cable on April 2012.’  The fact is that the secretary did not sign this cable in 2012."

Maloney added that Clinton's name was typed at the bottom of the page, the general procedure for thousands of cables that come out of the State Department each year. The congresswoman read from a State Department manual that state's the secretary's name must appear on all "telegrams to post."

(L-R) State Department foreign service officer and former deputy chief of mission/charge d'affairs in Libya, Gregory Hicks; and State Department diplomatic security officer and former regional security officer in Libya, Eric Nordstrom, testify at the hearing. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

12:57 p.m. – Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina read an excerpt from an email that Beth Jones, the acting Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs at the State Department, sent and copied Greg Hicks.

"Some of these emails even though they are not classified have not been released Mr. Chairman, including the one that I am going to read from," Gowdy said. "So for my colleagues who trumpet bipartisanship this would be a wonderful time to prove it.  This is from Ms. Jones to you, to counsel for Hillary Clinton, to Victoria Nuland, to Mr. Kennedy – near as I can tell to almost everyone in the State Department – and I am going to read from it."

“I spoke to the Libyan ambassador and emphasized the importance of Libyan leaders continuing to make strong statements," he read aloud, adding that the email was sent on September the 12th, the day after Benghazi and several days after Rice’s television appearance.  "When he said his government suspected that former Gadhafi regime elements carried out the attacks I told him that the group that conducted the attacks, Ansar al sharia, is affiliated with Islamic terrorists.’  Let me say that again Mr. Hicks – she told him, the State Department on September 12th, days before our ambassador went on national television, is telling the ambassador to Libya the group that conducted the attacks Ansar al sharia is affiliated with Islamic terrorists."

The State Department has maintained that they've been defining the violence as a terrorist attack since September 12. State Department officials were surprised to hear Rice describing it as a spontaneous attack that originated from a demonstration.

12:55 p.m. - U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice was the face of the administration in the days following the attack, and maintained in several media appearances its account of events - that the assault on the compound was the result of a demonstration that turned violent.

Later, the administration called the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism.

During the House hearing, Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina asked how Hicks reacted to the interviews, where, he said Rice perpetuated a “demonstrably false narrative.”

“I was stunned, my jaw dropped and I was embarrassed,” Hicks said.

Gowdy also peppered Hicks with questions about what kind of interaction he had with Rice before her appearances on the Sunday shows.

“Did she talk to you before she went on the five Sunday talk shows?” Gowdy asked.

“No, sir,” Hicks said.

“You were the highest ranking official in Libya at the time, correct,” Gowdy questioned.

“Yes, sir,” Hicks said.

“And she did not bother to have a conversation with you before she went on national television,” Gowdy asked.

“No, sir,” Hicks said.

"So, Ambassador Rice directly contradicts the evidence on the ground in Libya," Gowdy replied. "She directly contradicts the president of Libya, she directly contradicts the last statement uttered by Ambassador Stevens."

12:30 p.m. – In his retelling of the night of September 11, 2012, Hicks described his first conversation with then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

“At about 2 a.m., Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called me, along with her senior staff who were all on the phone, and she asked me what was going on and I briefed her on developments,” Hicks said. “Most of the conversation was about the search for Ambassador Stevens. It was also about what we were going to do with our personnel in Benghazi and I told her that we would need to evacuate. And that was the, she said that was the right thing to do.”

Hicks also described the first time he spoke with the prime minister of Libya. It was during the phone call that Hicks said he first learned that Ambassador Stevens had passed away.

"About 3 a.m. I received a call from the prime minister of Libya," Hicks said. "I think it's the saddest phone call I've ever had in my life. He told me that Ambassador Stevens had passed away. I immediately telephoned Washington that news afterwards."

Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee asks questions during a hearing over the Benghazi attack. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

12:21 p.m. – In response to a question about the night, Hicks launched into a lengthy retelling of what happened on the night of September 11, 2012.

"The night unfolded in four phases," Hicks sad. "The first phase was the attack on our consulate. This story is well known I think. The consulate was invaded. The Villa C where Ambassador and Sean Smith and Scott Wickland were hiding in the safe area was set on fire. The attackers also went into other buildings. They were unable to enter the Tactical Operations Center in Benghazi because of improvements to that facility that had been made."

After that, Hicks said that Scott Strickland, a diplomatic security special agent, attempted to get the ambassador out of the consulate.

"Scott attempted to lead the Ambassador and Sean Smith out of the burning building; he managed to make it out, he tried repeatedly to go back in to try to rescue Sean and the ambassador but he had to stop due to exposure to smoke," Hicks said. "The response team from the annex in Benghazi, six individuals, drove the attackers out of our compound and secured it temporarily. There have been estimates as high as 60 attackers in the compound at one particular time."

After securing the building temporarily, Hicks said, the security officials attempted to save the ambassador and Sean Smith, a foreign service officer who died in the attack.

"There were repeated attempts by all of the RSOs and the response team from the annex to go into the burning building and recover, try to save Sean and the Ambassador. They found Sean's body and pulled it out but he was no longer responsive," Hicks said. "They did not find the ambassador."

READ MORE: Benghazi siege: The ambassador's last minutes

12:14 p.m. – In describing the night to the committee, Hicks discussed how he found out about the Benghazi compound coming under attack. Hicks said he received a call from the then-U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens while the compound was being stormed.

"I found two missed calls on my phone, one from the Ambassador and one from a phone number I didn't recognize," Hicks said. "And I punched the phone number I didn't recognize and I got the Ambassador on the other end and he said, 'Greg, we're under attack'."

12:12 p.m. – One of the whistle-blowers, Gregory Hicks, the deputy Chief of Mission in Libya, said his testimony today, which is expected to contradict the State Department's account on the terrorist attack, is his effort to uphold to Constitution.

"In February 1991, I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States," Hicks said. "I am here today to honor that oath. I look forward to answering your questions fully and truthfully."

Read Hicks' prepared statement in full

House Holds Hearing On Benghazi Consulate Attacks

State Department foreign service officer and former deputy chief of mission/charge d'affairs in Libya, Gregory Hicks (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

12:09 p.m. – Eric Nordstrom, one of the whistle-blowers, thanked the oversight committee for their continued efforts, "specifically the committee's labors to uncover what happened prior, during and after the attack matter."

In what seemed like a response to Hillary Clinton's Senate testimony–in which she said said "what difference, at this point, does it make" over how the violence started–Nordstrom stressed it was important to get to the bottom of the attack.

"It matters to me personally, and it matters to my colleagues, to my colleagues at the Department of State," he said, growing emotional. "It matters to the American public for whom we serve. And most importantly, it matters to the friends and family of Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, Tyrone Woods, who were murdered on September 11, 2012."

Read Nordstrom's prepared statement in full

State Department diplomatic security officer and former regional security officer in Libya, Eric Nordstrom (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

11:59 a.m. -From CNN’s Senior Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr:

The Pentagon is pushing back heavily against any claim that four U.S. special forces troops were banned from traveling to Benghazi in response to the attacks because of undue military bureaucracy.

The allegation comes from Gregory Hicks, the deputy chief of the U.S. mission at the time, in an April 11 interview with Congress. Hicks was asked by the committee for the rationale of why he was told they couldn’t go.

“I guess they just didn't have the right authority from the right level,” Hicks responded.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said the U.S. Africa Command operations center in fact told the men to stay in Tripoli, Libya, because the attacks had stopped before the Libyan C-130 they wanted to board had arrived and they were not needed in Benghazi. Instead they were needed to assist with arriving flights carrying the remains of the dead and other personnel in Tripoli and to assist in aiding U.S. personnel evacuated from Benghazi.

The men who wanted to go also were not equipped with combat gear and weapons and were not trained as a reaction force for a terrorist attack, Little said.

11:58 a.m. - Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, chair of the investigative committee, and Democrat Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking member of the committee have each given their opening statement.

"Our goal in this investigation is to get answers because their families deserve answers," Issa said. "They were promised answers at the highest level when their bodies came home. The President was there, the Vice President was there, the Secretary of Defense was there, the Secretary of State was there. We want to make certain those promises are kept on behalf of those individuals."

"Our committee has a fundamental obligation to conduct responsible oversight and that includes carefully examining the information that you and others provide but we also have a duty to thoroughly investigate these claims before we make public accusations. In contrast, what we have seen over the past two weeks is a full scale media campaign that is not designed to investigate what happened in a responsible and bipartisan way but rather a launch of unfounded accusations to smear public officials," Cummings said.


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  1. Sniffit

    Yawn...this has turned into nothing more than a political donkey show.

    /clicks "guide" button on remote

    May 8, 2013 02:31 pm at 2:31 pm |
  2. wm Scot

    Let the 2016 presidential games begin ! The republican witch hunt to vilified Mrs. Clinton has continued but the congress cannot pass a decent jobs bill or even pass a decent bill to protect the American public but they have time to begin the 2016 shame game !

    May 8, 2013 02:31 pm at 2:31 pm |
  3. Wake up People!

    @Bessy.

    That's one of the main reasons. They hate her because she didn't turn on President Obama when she lost. They also know they have no one, not even Tony Soprano, that can beat Hillary if she runs in 2016. The other reason is them constantly looking for anything they can impeach President Obama on.

    May 8, 2013 02:31 pm at 2:31 pm |
  4. Abby

    For the first time, the American public has the opportunity to hear the facts about the terrorist murder of an American ambassador and three other American heroes and CNN ignores it and the trolls attack the witnesses. Wow. Education and critical thinking never have been the left's strong suits.

    May 8, 2013 02:33 pm at 2:33 pm |
  5. Sniffit

    "hand account from Hicks (and others) states otherwise you just choose to ignore the FACTS!!!!! "

    Hicks testimony along the lines of "I knew it was a terrorist attack right away," which refers to a point in time when he had no information whatsoever, is akin to someone saying "I knew the Bruins would win that last game before they even played it." It was conjecture. Being proven right later, when hindsight is 20/20 and the information and data has actually been collected and is sufficient to support a CONCLUSION, as opposed to speculation, doesn't retroactively make that initial conjecture into something that should have been relied upon at the time for purposes of military or other decisions that could result in additional loss of life.

    May 8, 2013 02:36 pm at 2:36 pm |
  6. Lisa P.

    CaveAnimal

    We need to quickly organized another Senate Committee Hearing investigating why the House Committee Hearing did such a poor job investigating the original Senate Committee hearing before they both go on vacation, again. This is the overpaid political circus you get when you vote in those dangerous and reckless relics.
    May 8, 2013 02:11 pm at 2:11 pm
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Finally someone's talking some sense around here! If ever a committee were in need of a sequester, this one would be it. Put the money into Head Start instead and teach the kids not to grow up to be partisan political hacks. I want my tax dollars put to good use.

    May 8, 2013 02:36 pm at 2:36 pm |
  7. Beatlegal09

    You people are nuts! Geez Louise..you are so partisan! Didn't you listen to these brave, career military men! THERE WAS NO DEMONSTRATION. THEY WERE TOLD TO STAND DOWN. THERE WAS NO YOUTUBE VIDEO. THE ADMINISTRATION LIED BEFORE THE ELECTION. You of course, can blame the Republicans, as you will, but it is these brave men who were there that said this! Hillary and Obama are traitors

    May 8, 2013 02:37 pm at 2:37 pm |
  8. Wilson

    As with many things in past history, we will probably never know the truth, only what the government releases. The real truth will be "classified" and dropped into a deep deep vault/whole, never to see the light of day. I have seen a few examples of the truth being different than what was released to the public during my years in the military.

    May 8, 2013 02:37 pm at 2:37 pm |
  9. Guest

    Nice to see some voices on the side of truth. Dumbocrats, once you get past the denial stage things get easier to deal with.

    May 8, 2013 02:38 pm at 2:38 pm |
  10. sly

    Who cares. We place Americans in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya and all sorts of havens of terrorist activity, and they all rightfully hate us and want to kill us.

    They succeeded. Got 1 guy.

    If you don't like it, then get the heck out of their countries, fools.

    Only idiots read the news everyday but don't notice people die in those countries from car bombs, suicide bombs, riots, gunshots. Are y'all really that naive?

    (Maybe next time the Republicans will actually approve President Obama's request for increased security for the embassy in Libya. They voted it down. Fools. )

    May 8, 2013 02:40 pm at 2:40 pm |
  11. Independent

    Sniffit

    "hand account from Hicks (and others) states otherwise you just choose to ignore the FACTS!!!!! "

    Hicks testimony along the lines of "I knew it was a terrorist attack right away," which refers to a point in time when he had no information whatsoever, is akin to someone saying "I knew the Bruins would win that last game before they even played it." It was conjecture. Being proven right later, when hindsight is 20/20 and the information and data has actually been collected and is sufficient to support a CONCLUSION, as opposed to speculation, doesn't retroactively make that initial conjecture into something that should have been relied upon at the time for purposes of military or other decisions that could result in additional loss of life.
    ____________________________

    If you read a little closer and pay attention, he stated an email was sent stating the government knew it was a terrist attack, I believe the day AFTER it happened, like HOURS after it happened. If you can't comprehend yourself I am not going to dig up alll the details for you!!! But choose to ignore facts again!

    May 8, 2013 02:44 pm at 2:44 pm |
  12. DebATL

    For all you folks that think these hearings are a waste of time and money...

    WHEN you get a loved one killed in the line of duty and have been told that something might have been able to be done to save them...I want to see you keep your mouth shut about it.

    Walk in the shoes of these families who want to know what happened....Their family members are GONE, supposedly preventable, and they want answers. I would want answers...and if you say you wouldn't, you lie to yourself.

    So when you make your comments, just imagine yourself face to face with the families of these brave people and let us see your character.

    Military Brat whose dad served in Vietnam

    May 8, 2013 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  13. Lisa P.

    Abby

    For the first time, the American public has the opportunity to hear the facts about the terrorist murder of an American ambassador and three other American heroes and CNN ignores it and the trolls attack the witnesses. Wow. Education and critical thinking never have been the left's strong suits.
    May 8, 2013 02:33 pm at 2:33 pm
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    "First time"? Only if you ignore the previous hearings, the independent commission's report, and reporting from the world news media that started while the first attack was still going on, before it was known that Ambassador Stevens was dead.

    If you seriously thing think that this partisan political well-after-the-fact dog and pony show is "the first time, the American public has the opportunity to hear the facts" about the attacks in Benghazi then you are seriously under-informed. Forget education or critical thinking - the left's already well ahead of you on research and fact-gathering and basic paying attention to what's happening in the world. Perhaps you need to do something about that before you aspire to anything as lofty as actually having an opinion about the matter. Just some friendly advice.

    May 8, 2013 02:46 pm at 2:46 pm |
  14. Abby

    Classic sad leftist...ignore facts, launch ad hominem attacks on anyone who disagrees with your fallacious party lines. Thanks for confirming the classic leftist tactics. So transparent.

    May 8, 2013 02:51 pm at 2:51 pm |
  15. DebATL

    @Lisa P.

    Are you even watching these hearings? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY HAD HEARD FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS...THE MODERATOR MADE THIS COMMENT EVEN BEFORE THE TESTIMONY STARTED...that is a fact, not up for conjecture.

    These are whistleblowers...they havent been heard from before.

    May 8, 2013 02:55 pm at 2:55 pm |
  16. Rudy NYC

    Independent asked:

    Show me proof Bush lied ONE document that PROVES he lied......still waiting.......will be waiting forever cause you can't!!!! We all know your messiah can do not wrong in your eyes no matter what he does, but the rest of us can actually think for ourselves!!!
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    The UN weapons inspectors reports that said that there was nothing, absolutely nothing there. You know, the same weapons inspectors who just barely got out of Baghdad literally minutes before the bombs began falling.

    Question: Show us a document that says that there actually were WMDs in Iraq. Hmm? Bush has never come up with one, and apparently never will.

    May 8, 2013 02:55 pm at 2:55 pm |
  17. David

    What a waste so far, absolutely nothing that could be considered whistle blowing.

    May 8, 2013 03:00 pm at 3:00 pm |
  18. Independent

    Lisa P.

    Abby

    For the first time, the American public has the opportunity to hear the facts about the terrorist murder of an American ambassador and three other American heroes and CNN ignores it and the trolls attack the witnesses. Wow. Education and critical thinking never have been the left's strong suits.
    May 8, 2013 02:33 pm at 2:33 pm
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    "First time"? Only if you ignore the previous hearings, the independent commission's report, and reporting from the world news media that started while the first attack was still going on, before it was known that Ambassador Stevens was dead.

    If you seriously thing think that this partisan political well-after-the-fact dog and pony show is "the first time, the American public has the opportunity to hear the facts" about the attacks in Benghazi then you are seriously under-informed. Forget education or critical thinking – the left's already well ahead of you on research and fact-gathering and basic paying attention to what's happening in the world. Perhaps you need to do something about that before you aspire to anything as lofty as actually having an opinion about the matter. Just some friendly advice.
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    Ummm you should probably take your own advise, this IS the FIRST time that the eye witnesses have had a chance to testify under oath!!!! So maybe you are the one under-informed since the witnesses are the strongest and most crucial part of the hearing!

    May 8, 2013 03:01 pm at 3:01 pm |
  19. Rudy NYC

    Amy

    sniffit – if you would actually watch the hearings you would see for yourself that the smoking gun testimony has already taken place – two stand down orders and a memo on the 12th from state dept that this was a terrorist attack actually naming the responsible group.
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    If you were paying attention to Hicks when he began testifying you would realize that he testified that Amb. Stevens was lost inside of a burning building during the initial phase of the attack. Hicks also reported seeing at least 30 attackers within the compound, against which 4 people would have made littel or no difference.

    Finally, if you had listened to Hicks' initial prepared statements, Hicks says that the order to send in special ops was not given, but rather an evacuation order of the Benghazi compound had been released.

    May 8, 2013 03:01 pm at 3:01 pm |
  20. Allexy

    While we are at this;there should a hearing on the Iraq war: the lies and reason/s given to invade another country,a hearing on the 5000 dead Americans and 100,000 Iraqis,a hearing on the trillions of dollars spent to prosecute an illegal war/bankrupt the treasury.

    May 8, 2013 03:01 pm at 3:01 pm |
  21. ezduzit757

    OMG! Where was all of this righteous indignation when GWBush turned a blind eye to terrorist threats to the United States allowing those planes to hit the World Trade Center and Pentagon killing THOUSANDS of Americans and then LYING to the ENTIRE WORLD about weapons of mass destructions so he could invade Iraq costing THOUSANDS more American lives? For crying out loud! These republicans do so much more damage to the security of this country by constantly working against this president in any way possible. Enough already.

    May 8, 2013 03:03 pm at 3:03 pm |
  22. deandake

    Still waiting for the smoking gun. Or at least the "fireworks" the press has been promising.

    May 8, 2013 03:05 pm at 3:05 pm |
  23. unhyphenated1

    H. Clinton lied about being under fire – support a liar – and try to wash the blood off your hands – Hypocracy – the supporters of Obama and Clinton – would change their tunes if their loved one killed in service....It does matter when your father, borther, son, uncle, nephew, cousin is killed serving OUR COUNTRY and the likes of our President and the Secretary of State HAD enough to not only protect these men – but also make up and changed stories for themselves rather the families of these men – SHAME on OBAMA, CLINTON and OTHERS who are trying to push this story six feet under next to the bodies of these DEAD AMERICANS serving of country – one should question and hold OBAMA and CLINTON responsibile for the loss of life that could have been prevented.

    May 8, 2013 03:05 pm at 3:05 pm |
  24. David

    But Hicks himself already contradicted his interpretation, he said that there were over 60 intruders in the facility, obviously this was a combination of "terrorists" and protestors that breached the compound. His only issue seems to be the messaging and this one statement by him fully justifies the messaging that was given.

    May 8, 2013 03:06 pm at 3:06 pm |
  25. jrzydvl

    Lisa P. Tine to do your own research. You convieninetly forget the dog and pony show the Dems put on the first time. THat was a big waste of time. why do you think the Dems are stonewalling, the rewriting history saying the facts are out ? The facts are NOT out. Nobody in the admin has responsibility for 4 dead Americans that this Admin did NOTHING to protect ? If nobody loses a job over 4 dead Americans, what do they lose their job for ?

    May 8, 2013 03:07 pm at 3:07 pm |
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