Military chiefs oppose removing commanders from sexual assault probes
June 4th, 2013
10:44 AM ET
2 years ago

Military chiefs oppose removing commanders from sexual assault probes

(CNN) - Calling sexual assault in the military "an enemy to morale and readiness," Sen. James Inhofe urged his colleagues on the Senate Armed Services committee to tread carefully in tackling the issue.

Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, said he is opposed to any legislation "removing commanders from their indispensable roles" in the military justice system and noted that military and civilian courts are different animals because members of the military do not enjoy the same rights as civilians.

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  1. just askin

    i wonder how the israelis handle this sort of thing? they have had women in their army much longer. all reports of sexual assault should be required to be copied to all commanders up the chain of command so that nobody can bury it and the rotten apples are weeded out.

    June 4, 2013 10:50 am at 10:50 am |
  2. Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes

    A complete and thorough investigation needs to be conducted by personnel outside of the military. As far as the commanders go, they are held to a higher standard than enlisted soldiers. There should be no exception. They should be tried fully under the UCMJ and dishonorably discharged if found guilty. End of story.

    June 4, 2013 10:52 am at 10:52 am |
  3. Sniffit

    I tend to agree that the chain of command should remain intact, but I don't agree that civilian oversight isn't necessary. Keeping it all internal, as it has always been, has allowed the military culture that encourages and enables this crap to fester like a cyst, ultimately resulting in a mindset and a system that punishes and retaliates against the alleged victims as though they are the ones who are the threat for having brought the abuse they suffered to light....as if to force them to suffer silently while everyone pretends it isn't happening is the better option for maintaining discipline and morale, etc. That cyst needs to be lanced, and that requires an instrument from outside the military system and culture.

    June 4, 2013 10:57 am at 10:57 am |
  4. Randy, San Francisco

    Sen James Inhofe is one of the reasons why the Republican brand fares so poorly with young, minority, and women voters. Criminal behavior is never acceptable or excusable regardless of the person's military or civilian status.

    June 4, 2013 11:08 am at 11:08 am |
  5. just sayin

    Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes
    A complete and thorough investigation needs to be conducted by personnel outside of the military.
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    but you have backed the obama adminstration investigating themselves in everything else. why all of a sudden can't the military also investigate itself?

    June 4, 2013 11:11 am at 11:11 am |
  6. it must be said

    so how is all of this sexual assault happening when woman are supposed to be the physical equal of men in the military? hmmmmm????

    June 4, 2013 11:13 am at 11:13 am |
  7. Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes

    just sayin
    Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes
    A complete and thorough investigation needs to be conducted by personnel outside of the military.
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    but you have backed the obama adminstration investigating themselves in everything else. why all of a sudden can't the military also investigate itself?
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    Fruit of the poisonous tree. Ever heard of the phrase?

    June 4, 2013 11:19 am at 11:19 am |
  8. Wire Palladin, S. F.

    In a previous post, Nanny State Ray blamed Obama for a $17 trillion national debt. He must have forgotten about the unfunded unnecessary Bush wars, the unpaid for Bush tax cuts, a near republican depression, and the unfunded Bush drug programs, that gave President Obama with over $12 trillion of that debt. We are now out of two wars, the economy is turning around, consumer confidence is up, unemployment down, and all this without a single republican vote.

    June 4, 2013 11:21 am at 11:21 am |
  9. sonny chapman

    I'm sure the Sen. would have the same response if his daughter was raped. Until then, boys will be boys.

    June 4, 2013 11:23 am at 11:23 am |
  10. Wire Palladin, S. F.

    It must be said – You don't know much about the chain of command in military matters. With rank, some think they have privileges that they really don't have. While the majority of abuse is against women soldiers, there is reported abuse to men as well. I'll bet Fox foreign owned media did not tell you about that.

    June 4, 2013 11:26 am at 11:26 am |
  11. Sniffit

    "so how is all of this sexual assault happening when woman are supposed to be the physical equal of men in the military? hmmmmm????"

    Over half the victims are male. Ever been on a sports team or joined a frat? Have any experience with where a culture of male hazing can rapidly find itself before anyone realizes they crossed into the land of no return? For that matter, sorority type hazing can be just as brutal, both psychologically and physically, and I think it somewhat unlikely this doesn't also involve a lot of female-on-female assault. This is not to say that it's all "hazing," but I pick on that issue because it's likely a big contributor to the numbers...and also something that military culture turns a blind eye to on the theory that it's part of the "break 'em down, build 'em up" process etc.

    June 4, 2013 11:29 am at 11:29 am |
  12. just sayin

    Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes

    just sayin
    Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes
    A complete and thorough investigation needs to be conducted by personnel outside of the military.
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    but you have backed the obama adminstration investigating themselves in everything else. why all of a sudden can't the military also investigate itself?
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    Fruit of the poisonous tree. Ever heard of the phrase?
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    it also applies to the obama administration investigating itself, correct?

    June 4, 2013 11:30 am at 11:30 am |
  13. GI Joe, not GI Josephine, not GI Tutu

    No women, no gays, no sexual assault. Admit it, women and gays in the military was just a dumb idea and now we are seeing why. Problems, problems, problems.

    June 4, 2013 11:35 am at 11:35 am |
  14. Thomas

    But few people understand the fight to capture Kony better than Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe ?

    James Inhofe only served one year in the US Army , why ?

    He also believes rape is an act of God and Climate change is not caused by man .

    The Republican party needs more James Inhofe's ?

    June 4, 2013 11:36 am at 11:36 am |
  15. Sniffit

    "so how is all of this sexual assault happening when woman are supposed to be the physical equal of men in the military? hmmmmm????"

    Over half the reported victims are male. Nice try, but this isn't an excuse to ramp up the conservative misogyny machine. The issue is not women in the military or just a gender issue. The issue is the military's broken culture and oversight systems across the board. Keep in mind dudes giving someone a naked hazing beating in the showers can fall under "sexual assault," especially if it involves a kick to the groin or holding him down to shave his junk or other implicitly sexualized touching that you might expect from a n over-the-top hazing ritual. I'll bet you there's far more than one report of such things is in the records.

    June 4, 2013 11:40 am at 11:40 am |
  16. liberalism infecting and destroying our military

    Did they have all of these problems before our military was forced to be politically correct? Forced to conform to the liberal view of the world? Were all the soldiers sexually assaulting other soldiers all the time? Nope.

    June 4, 2013 11:43 am at 11:43 am |
  17. Al-NY,NY

    GI Joe, not GI Josephine, not GI Tutu

    No women, no gays, no sexual assault. Admit it, women and gays in the military was just a dumb idea and now we are seeing why. Problems, problems, problems.
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    no clue, no compassion, no clue. I said that because it's true. What a stupid set of comments

    June 4, 2013 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  18. Rudy NYC

    I really don't see what the issue is. The US military is supposed to have civilian oversight. End of story.

    June 4, 2013 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  19. just askin

    Sniffit
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    "so how is all of this sexual assault happening when woman are supposed to be the physical equal of men in the military? hmmmmm????"
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    Over half the victims are male.
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    so are the women assaulting the guys or does the military have a gay sexual assault problem now?

    June 4, 2013 11:49 am at 11:49 am |
  20. Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes

    Eric Holder has recoused himself in the leak investigation. The OIG is a independent entity. Your point is what?

    June 4, 2013 11:51 am at 11:51 am |
  21. truth hurts but realty bites

    Sniffit
    "so how is all of this sexual assault happening when woman are supposed to be the physical equal of men in the military? hmmmmm????"
    ---
    Over half the reported victims are male. Nice try, but this isn't an excuse to ramp up the conservative misogyny machine. The issue is not women in the military or just a gender issue. The issue is the military's broken culture and oversight systems across the board. Keep in mind dudes giving someone a naked hazing beating in the showers can fall under "sexual assault," especially if it involves a kick to the groin or holding him down to shave his junk or other implicitly sexualized touching that you might expect from a n over-the-top hazing ritual. I'll bet you there's far more than one report of such things is in the records.
    --

    So the military has a HAZING problem according to you, not a sexual assault problem. In a hazing situation, there is no actual attempt to engage in sexual activity. The purpose of the hazing is not sexual assault, but humiliation. So are people wrongly reporting hazing as sexual assaults? According to you, they are. Is this why the numbers have ballooned the way they have?

    June 4, 2013 11:55 am at 11:55 am |
  22. Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes

    Did they have all of these problems before our military was forced to be politically correct? Forced to conform to the liberal view of the world? Were all the soldiers sexually assaulting other soldiers all the time? Nope.
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    Being on multiple deployments in a war that was sold to you under false pretenses can have an adverse affect on morale. Being in theater away from your family multiple times takes a toll. However, that should not negate discipline. Trying to politicize this makes you look less than human. This didn't just start happening under our current President. It has always been a problem within the military. The reason you didn't hear about it is because once it was reported, it was brushed under the rug. So if you never served, I suggest you think before you speak.

    June 4, 2013 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm |
  23. Boomer in Mo

    So, it's all women's fault GI Joe. In other words, men are such animals they cannot keep themselves from forcing any woman they come in contact with to have sex with them. Men have the morals of your average barnyard animal and can be expected to act like horny bulls with any female all the time. They can't help it. It's normal. That's the gist of your argument whether you can see that or not,
    I don't believe that but apparently lots of men think like you.

    June 4, 2013 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm |
  24. Marcus

    Somebody please correct if I am wrong.
    Many years ago, probably during Clinton's terms, a bunch of Navy officials smeared their names with their behavior during a convention. The Army tried to pose as 'cleaner' than the Navy... until a report found out that the Army's policy (for decades) was basically 'sweep it under the rug'.
    It is NOT a recent problem of the military forces, quite the contrary...

    June 4, 2013 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm |
  25. Sniffit

    "so are the women assaulting the guys or does the military have a gay sexual assault problem now?"

    Ok, I tried to play nice, but you're just resorting to the "hi, I'm deliberately obtuse" schtick, so that's over. You've blatantly ignored explicit examples I gave of situations that have nothing to do with sexual orientation or gender, which is part of why I use the example of "hazing" situations that get out of control, because it so easily takes sexual orientation and gender issues out of the mix and illustrates that it could very well be straight guys/gals beating up on straight guys/gals...and if you think that crap doesn't take place in the military, then perhaps you should be the next monkey we shoot into space so you can commence the search for your brain. Your attempts to use this to rant about your favorite pet domestic social policy wedge issues proves you have no concern for the abuse of your fellow human beings and our young soldiers and that you are exactly the type of person whose opinions on these matters should be ignored because you're incapable of taking this seriously without trying to find self-serving advantage in it.

    June 4, 2013 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |