September 18th, 2013
08:17 PM ET
1 year ago

Debating O’Malley, Perry on healthcare: ‘putting more people on the Titanic’

Washington (CNN) – Red state-blue state governors Rick Perry and Martin O’Malley debated job creation and healthcare on Wednesday, with Perry equating adding people to Medicaid via Obamacare with “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

Both men are thought to be contenders for the White House in 2016 and on CNN’s “Crossfire,” they aired out some of the key issues that are likely to define their campaigns should they run.

Perry has been noncommittal about his plans to pursue the Republican nomination for a second time after the Texas governor’s campaign imploded last year. He showed none of the hesitation of 2012 on Wednesday night however, hammering home points about Texas job creation through limited government policies.

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When challenged on the disproportionately large number of minimum wage jobs created in Texas along with the large number of Texans without health insurance, Perry stuck to his talking points.

“We’re about giving people freedom,” Perry said, the freedom to have a job and the freedom to choose whether or not they have health insurance.

Perry continually cited the businesses that have set up shop in Texas, including Amazon, Facebook and Toyota.

“They didn’t come there if they were worried about whether or not there was not going to be a skilled workforce, or people were going to have healthcare,” Perry said.

Perry and O’Malley clashed most sharply over jobs, in large part spurred by Perry’s media outreach aimed at poaching Maryland businesses.

In response to Texas’ business-friendly environment, O’Malley fell back on job-creation language coined by President Barack Obama.

Rather than Texas policies that seem to disproportionately create minimum wage jobs, Maryland has chosen to focus on “building an economy from the middle out,” O’Malley said, via things like improving education.

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O’Malley, a Democrat, told Perry that Texas is “not an economy that is actually lifting up the middle class.”

The two came at their different positions with radically different statistics and perspectives.

O’Malley spoke of talent creation and entrepreneurship encouraged in Maryland while Perry trumpeted improving education standards and the various options Texans have for healthcare, although he didn’t elaborate.

Texas and Maryland have also taken polar opposite views on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, Obama’s signature legislative achievement better known as Obamacare.

O’Malley has continued to hold up Maryland’s early adoption of Obamacare while Perry has refused federal money to expand Medicaid via the healthcare law.

Perry argued that expanding Medicaid and embracing Obamacare would ultimately end up costing Texas $100 billion.

Putting “tens of thousands of people on a system that is broken,” Perry said of adding them to Medicaid, is akin to “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

In turn, O’Malley argued that the flexibility of the Obamacare healthcare exchanges that get underway next month, regardless of the inevitable hiccups in the system, will offer Maryland workers a competitive advantage – allowing them to move from job to job without worrying about losing their health insurance.


Filed under: Health care • Martin O'Malley • Rick Perry
soundoff (371 Responses)
  1. puddintane

    ...on the Titanic with free weed, wink, wink....

    September 19, 2013 11:45 am at 11:45 am |
  2. John

    Perry and the State of Texas attract business how? Lower taxes and a big incentive and the tax base increases in the state before more people are getting good paying job. Funny how that works, meantime states like California with high taxes and massive give away programs are seeing city after city fail. Yeah I think Mr Perry has a better clue than the know it all liberals who are too stupid to see what they have done.

    September 19, 2013 11:46 am at 11:46 am |
  3. GubnitSPY

    unsinkable like the titanic? well the other guys are trying hard to be the iceberg.

    September 19, 2013 11:47 am at 11:47 am |
  4. CB

    LOL...when in recorded history was the last time someone got hep C from a blood transfusion???????

    =============
    Herman, you are right about not being able to fix stupid, but don't worry, your pre-existing condition is now covered.
    The United States did not institute universal screening for Hepatitus C until 1992. Not that long ago. There are countries that still do not do it. It can also be transmitted through improperly sterilized equipment at hospitals and tattoo parlors. It can be transmitted from mother to unborn child. Does that properly answer your azsuming, condescending question?

    September 19, 2013 11:47 am at 11:47 am |
  5. C Hestand

    Yes, the herd is coming to Texas for the no regulation, low taxes, poor schools. Low taxes well maybe not. Our property taxes are extremely high in this state. Property taxes are how Texas gets your money and it goes up, up all the time. So low taxes it depends on who you talk to. We have a sales tax and a property/school tax, so they will get your money. If you want to live in a good school district hope you don't mind paying some property taxes that are higher than the average texan makes in a year Perry likes to give companies a good deal on their taxes to move here so we the people have to make up the difference. As far as Obama Care goes, well Perry has his hand out to the feds for more money for the state medicaid and medicare needs all the time. It sort of a game he likes to play saying he not taking federal money all the while asking the feds for more money. Of course we have all been paying taxes for the uninsured before, so now at least everyone under Obama care that can pay, must pay. Yes, life here can be good if you don't mind an oil pipe line running through your back yard or a smelting plant next to your house, you will do fine in Texas. The Central Texas area is running out of water for over a million people and our governor is out of state trying to bring more people here. The group that was appointed by our governor to regulates our water is sending it downstream for duck ponds and rice farmers. I was born and raised in Texas and I can't wait for this governor to step down.

    September 19, 2013 11:50 am at 11:50 am |
  6. omeany

    Why is it that anything that benefits the working poor in our country is "bad for business"? Heaven forbid big business has to spend a tiny portion of their BILLIONS in profit caring for those who keep their bottom line healthy.

    September 19, 2013 11:50 am at 11:50 am |
  7. bear

    All Obamacare has proved is that the Democrats cannot run the government. They pass a law and 5 years later have to delay most of it because they are not ready to implement it. There is more to governing than passing laws. You need to implement and enforce them.

    So if after passing Obamacare and not implementing half of it, why do we think they will be able to implement whatever immigration reform gets passed?

    September 19, 2013 11:52 am at 11:52 am |
  8. Dan

    Stop the lies. You do make your own choices. Choose a health plan and pay for it. The Congress and the President already have a health plan, so do I, therefore I am not going the exchanges. They are no different than me.

    The health exchanges are made up of private health plans. Don't see where the government is controlling your health insurance.

    Why are companies opting out? One word, greed.

    Time for Universal Health Care.

    September 19, 2013 11:52 am at 11:52 am |
  9. Data Driven

    @Nate,

    "If the affordable care act is so great, why has congress and the President exempted themselves?"

    Because they already have healthcare plans. Next?

    September 19, 2013 11:53 am at 11:53 am |
  10. Patrick Henry II

    It's not just tens of thousands who Obama, Pelosi and Reid put on the Titanic. It's the entire country. In my day – mid 1700's – people of that thoroughly deceitful and wicked character would not only NOT have been elected to high office, they would have lived out their days in the town stocks.

    September 19, 2013 11:54 am at 11:54 am |
  11. giggy

    Gov perry we are going to displace all of you mid term election. so prepare for a change of arms. Even republicans who are sick and need health care are walking across those lines.

    September 19, 2013 11:54 am at 11:54 am |
  12. Fair is Fair

    ghost – yeah, seriously. One of the pet arguements in support of Obamacare is that we're subsidizing, via higher premiums, uncompensated care. I get that. I understand that. Now under Obamacare, there should be no more uninsureds. Right? No need for, no such thing as "uncompensated care". Should that not be reflected, therefore, in reduced premiums? If not, why not?

    September 19, 2013 11:55 am at 11:55 am |
  13. Hogan's Goat

    "Exactly. That's exactly why we have Medicare today. " Too late, Sarah Palin has done tole them about them there "death panels" already, so they know not to believe any facts because of lame streams and medias and stuff.

    September 19, 2013 11:56 am at 11:56 am |
  14. Data Driven

    I need to amend my last post a bit: they can't exempt themselves from the LAW, but they can exempt themselves from taking advantage of it if they already have health plans. Like all the rest of us who already have health plans.

    Post in haste, repent in leisure, LOL

    September 19, 2013 11:59 am at 11:59 am |
  15. pandora

    athiestone

    Texas – secede already!!! We're all ready to see you go down like the Titanic!!!
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Totally uncalled for....you don't know us

    September 19, 2013 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm |
  16. Vince

    Well jump on board Rick. He won. Twice. Its the law. Get over it and move on.

    September 19, 2013 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm |
  17. Herman Kirwin

    CB

    LOL...when in recorded history was the last time someone got hep C from a blood transfusion???????

    =============
    Herman, you are right about not being able to fix stupid, but don't worry, your pre-existing condition is now covered.
    The United States did not institute universal screening for Hepatitus C until 1992. Not that long ago. There are countries that still do not do it. It can also be transmitted through improperly sterilized equipment at hospitals and tattoo parlors. It can be transmitted from mother to unborn child. Does that properly answer your azsuming, condescending question?
    ======================================

    I'll ask it again...on what date was the last reported case where a person contracted Hep C from a blood transfusion in the US. I hope you can interpret this correctly this time around. Confusion occurs when you cut and paste only selected portions of a comment. My original point is that I should not be required to pay for someone's mistake. Some of which you so kindly identified.

    September 19, 2013 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm |
  18. Econ301

    Maryland lead the nation in Average Household Income in 2011, (2012 data not available yet)
    Texas was 25th.

    Maryland also has a higher life expectancy then Texas.

    Sure Texas is creating jobs, but how can you really knock Maryland for it's policies when it's people are on average the wealthiest in the nation, and they live longer then you...

    September 19, 2013 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm |
  19. VEW2012

    The Affordable Care Act is a must in the first step to national health care. The GOP needs to get over this and let it move forward. Anyone who thinks the health care in this country hasn't already been on the Titanic for the last 40 years is both blind and deaf. Perry is a fool.

    September 19, 2013 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm |
  20. Rich

    @Michael Hobart
    The reason why Texas is leads the nation is because it has the highest percentage of illegal immigrants. Hence that figure isn't completely accurate. Furthermore you have no clue on how uninsured patients are treated. If an patient has no insurance, they are often given a lower bill - an affordable option the patient might be able to handle. If this tactic does not work, the bill is not passed onto the taxpayers, it's passed to the next patient with insurance.

    September 19, 2013 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm |
  21. Herman Kirwin

    knklhead

    Wow, watched the video at the of the page .. Perry got his A__ handed to him. Statements like "you can't keep your doctor" are FALSE! And he had no answer ... what DOES happen to people that do not have insurance? They DO go to the emergency room and get treated and the rest of us pay! For the 97% of you reading this post, your insurance will not change and you will now always have coverage if you have any existing health condition! While Obamacare isn't perfect (or free) it is a very good thing for America!
    ===========================

    LOL....ask your own Dr these questions. Separate myth from reality.

    September 19, 2013 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm |
  22. Lynda/Minnesota

    Hogan's Goat
    "Exactly. That's exactly why we have Medicare today. " Too late, Sarah Palin has done tole them about them there "death panels" already, so they know not to believe any facts because of lame streams and medias and stuff.
    --------------

    I've always thought that our media did a grave disservice to their "fans" by allowing that particular talking point to continue to grow. Especially considering ... you know ... how liberal our American media is touted as being.

    American media has done a grave disservice to America in general these past few decades of political talking point memo mumbo-jumbo garbage being circulated as news.

    September 19, 2013 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm |
  23. Real American

    I am so sick and tired of people saying Medicad is broke. If you know something is broke FIX IT. Someone comes along and attempts to straighten out a big broken part and instead of telling us it broke fix it. You have offered absolutley nothing but cowardly anti slogans against anything that is offered. GOP stands for we got to Get Our Piece of the American Workers life. You really ought to think this out. GOP means Got zero People. We have nothing so we gonna blow smoke and shift the blame onto the other party or President. Any you wonder why you lost the last election. Double STUPID.

    September 19, 2013 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm |
  24. Herman Kirwin

    Econ301

    Maryland lead the nation in Average Household Income in 2011, (2012 data not available yet)
    Texas was 25th.

    Maryland also has a higher life expectancy then Texas.

    Sure Texas is creating jobs, but how can you really knock Maryland for it's policies when it's people are on average the wealthiest in the nation, and they live longer then you...
    ===========================

    Compare Maryland to Virginia.

    September 19, 2013 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm |
  25. TracyIndependent

    Funny how people say the healthcare act is working when even the President is afraid to enact all of it prior to the 2014 elections......... Some of it is good BUT making it some complex that 'you have to vote for it to see what's inside' was ignorant and there was no excuse for it.

    Can you imagine if state farm had to supply auto or home and it didn't matter if you torched or destroyed several pieces of property before? Take care of yourself or PAY HIGHER, it's that simple. Covering up to 26 for children was great for insurance companies cause that age group doesn't get sick (very few) or go to doctor so that just $$$ for ins company. That will never go away....

    September 19, 2013 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm |
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