September 18th, 2013
08:17 PM ET
11 months ago

Debating O’Malley, Perry on healthcare: ‘putting more people on the Titanic’

Washington (CNN) – Red state-blue state governors Rick Perry and Martin O’Malley debated job creation and healthcare on Wednesday, with Perry equating adding people to Medicaid via Obamacare with “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

Both men are thought to be contenders for the White House in 2016 and on CNN’s “Crossfire,” they aired out some of the key issues that are likely to define their campaigns should they run.

Perry has been noncommittal about his plans to pursue the Republican nomination for a second time after the Texas governor’s campaign imploded last year. He showed none of the hesitation of 2012 on Wednesday night however, hammering home points about Texas job creation through limited government policies.

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When challenged on the disproportionately large number of minimum wage jobs created in Texas along with the large number of Texans without health insurance, Perry stuck to his talking points.

“We’re about giving people freedom,” Perry said, the freedom to have a job and the freedom to choose whether or not they have health insurance.

Perry continually cited the businesses that have set up shop in Texas, including Amazon, Facebook and Toyota.

“They didn’t come there if they were worried about whether or not there was not going to be a skilled workforce, or people were going to have healthcare,” Perry said.

Perry and O’Malley clashed most sharply over jobs, in large part spurred by Perry’s media outreach aimed at poaching Maryland businesses.

In response to Texas’ business-friendly environment, O’Malley fell back on job-creation language coined by President Barack Obama.

Rather than Texas policies that seem to disproportionately create minimum wage jobs, Maryland has chosen to focus on “building an economy from the middle out,” O’Malley said, via things like improving education.

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O’Malley, a Democrat, told Perry that Texas is “not an economy that is actually lifting up the middle class.”

The two came at their different positions with radically different statistics and perspectives.

O’Malley spoke of talent creation and entrepreneurship encouraged in Maryland while Perry trumpeted improving education standards and the various options Texans have for healthcare, although he didn’t elaborate.

Texas and Maryland have also taken polar opposite views on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, Obama’s signature legislative achievement better known as Obamacare.

O’Malley has continued to hold up Maryland’s early adoption of Obamacare while Perry has refused federal money to expand Medicaid via the healthcare law.

Perry argued that expanding Medicaid and embracing Obamacare would ultimately end up costing Texas $100 billion.

Putting “tens of thousands of people on a system that is broken,” Perry said of adding them to Medicaid, is akin to “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

In turn, O’Malley argued that the flexibility of the Obamacare healthcare exchanges that get underway next month, regardless of the inevitable hiccups in the system, will offer Maryland workers a competitive advantage – allowing them to move from job to job without worrying about losing their health insurance.


Filed under: Health care • Martin O'Malley • Rick Perry
soundoff (371 Responses)
  1. Data Driven

    @Herman Kirwin,

    "My original point is that I should not be required to pay for someone's mistake."

    Perhaps you're right - can I get my money back from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? Oh, and Vietnam and Korea too?

    September 19, 2013 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm |
  2. Michael

    The ACA is the law of the land; the SCOTUS has said it is Constitutional. The GOP have tried over and over to defund or stop it. Where is their alternative? I say let it go in, THEN fix what is broken. The idea, as proposed, was sound and would have worked for the vast majority of Americans, especially those currently uninsured. But a group of people tried their hardest to add garbage that would make the law unpalatable ... and that effort failed. And the audacity of Rick Perry talking about freedom in Texas, the state with one of the worst education records, that has created "numerous" part-time and low paying jobs (like that counts) and that recently passed a law making it nearly impossible for someone that wants an abortion to get one, irregardless of Roe v. Wade. Just sayin' ...

    September 19, 2013 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm |
  3. Malory Archer

    Patrick Henry II

    It's not just tens of thousands who Obama, Pelosi and Reid put on the Titanic. It's the entire country. In my day – mid 1700's – people of that thoroughly deceitful and wicked character would not only NOT have been elected to high office, they would have lived out their days in the town stocks.

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    Wow! What would they have done to the creeps who committed election fraud to put their guy into office only to have him start two unfunded wars and drive the nation over a cliff?

    September 19, 2013 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm |
  4. Christian Grey

    Why don't the unions want this law that they fought so hard to get passed? is there a democrat out there that wants to answer that?

    September 19, 2013 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm |
  5. Malory Archer

    pandora

    athiestone

    Texas – secede already!!! We're all ready to see you go down like the Titanic!!!
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    Totally uncalled for....you don't know us

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    But it's your governor who tossed out the seccession card to begin with? Why are you so angry that others agree with him?

    September 19, 2013 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm |
  6. hubert39

    Amazing... The governor don't have a clue about how rest of the world exist. The USA is around 120 plus years behind rest of the world when it comes to a health care system. If only Perry could read...
    Now the citizens of Texas pays the medical bills for "everybody" who does not have insurance in Texas.

    September 19, 2013 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm |
  7. Pliny

    Rick Perry couldn't find his own buttocks with both hands.

    Why do I have to endure listening to politicians?

    Republican politicians??

    Republican politicians from texas???

    September 19, 2013 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm |
  8. Tony

    Fair, before Obamacare, people with insurance subsidize people who don't. Under Obamacare, the government picks up some of the subsidies, paid for by tax dollars. The difference is that under Obamacare, some people will choose to buy insurance rather than paying fines, because it is stupid for them to keep paying fines without getting insurance. Obamacare does not give you insurance if you pay a fine. The fine gets bigger the longer you go without insurance. At some point, it makes sense for some people to get insurance and stop paying fines. When people start to get insurance instead of paying fines, your insurance premiums will go down because you will no longer subsidize medical care of people who can afford insurance. As for the very poor who simply cannot buy insurance, Medicaid expansion allows these people to get covered, so that they can get regular checkups. This reduces the need for emergency care, which is far more expensive.

    September 19, 2013 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm |
  9. Alina1

    This is crazy 70% of people don't understand this Health Care and that's why they don't like ii, but it doesn't meant that its bad.. People don't like the unknown and the Republicans are the biggest force of making people to be afraid of that unknown.. Lets have it and see what can be changed or fixed ...because the Republicans have no idea how to slow the costs down anyways .. I am going for it.

    September 19, 2013 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm |
  10. Malory Archer

    Herman Kirwin

    I'll ask it again...on what date was the last reported case where a person contracted Hep C from a blood transfusion in the US. I hope you can interpret this correctly this time around. Confusion occurs when you cut and paste only selected portions of a comment. My original point is that I should not be required to pay for someone's mistake. Some of which you so kindly identified.

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    That's really difficult to say, as medical records tend to be private, and the end result of attempting to find out that information would probably be a HIPPA violation.

    September 19, 2013 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm |
  11. Malory Archer

    pandora

    athiestone

    Texas – secede already!!! We're all ready to see you go down like the Titanic!!!
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    Totally uncalled for....you don't know us

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    Why are you so angry at athi when, after all, it was YOUR governor who first tossed out the seccession card?

    September 19, 2013 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  12. The REAL Truth...

    Please explain to me why the GOP is so against it's own healthcare plan, why they have tried to repeal it 44 times, why they took it to the SCOTUS to overturn the individual mandate portion and why they are now trying to de-fund it and use the Federal Govt as a hostage? It can't possibly be that they really believe the the rhetoric about it being a "titanic", or a disaster and all the? right?
    Why would the GOp scuttle their own plan? Yes.. ACA is 95% a Republican Healthcare program.. the very same program that failed under Clinton (because of the individual mandate), the very same plan hatched by that bastion of liberal ideology – the Heritage Foundation.. implemented VERY successfully in MA (Romneycare) and nationally by Obama. Yet it's a stone around our necks? It's going to destroy Medicare! Really? Isn't that what it's supposed to do, and exactly what the GOP has been trying to do for many years?
    Please – some Republican – please explain to me why the GOP wants to kill it's own program...

    September 19, 2013 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm |
  13. Concerned Citizen

    "O’Malley, a Democrat, told Perry that Texas is “not an economy that is actually lifting up the middle class.”

    Well, neither is Maryland. Taxes are horrendous compared with surrounding states. Raising taxes has resulted in chasing away the high earners leaving more of the burden on the middle. And those coming out of the best school systems in MD aren't staying in the state because it doesn't economically make any sense. He should be the last person preaching about economies that help the middle. O'Malley as president is the biggest mistake this country could possibly make.

    September 19, 2013 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  14. Malory Archer

    Christian Grey

    Why don't the unions want this law that they fought so hard to get passed? is there a democrat out there that wants to answer that?

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    Yes, I can answer: Because what passed ISN'T what they fougut so hard for, but a watered down version that doesn't go nearly as far as unions think that it should. For about the ten thousandth time, you've got your answer so stop playing obtuse and learn it!

    September 19, 2013 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm |
  15. Herman Kirwin

    Data Driven

    @Herman Kirwin,

    "My original point is that I should not be required to pay for someone's mistake."

    Perhaps you're right – can I get my money back from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? Oh, and Vietnam and Korea too?
    ================================

    You forgot Solyndra and the $900 billion on shovel ready jobs? How about the cost of sending the US navy to Syria?

    September 19, 2013 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  16. Herman Kirwin

    Malory Archer

    Christian Grey

    Why don't the unions want this law that they fought so hard to get passed? is there a democrat out there that wants to answer that?

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    Yes, I can answer: Because what passed ISN'T what they fougut so hard for, but a watered down version that doesn't go nearly as far as unions think that it should. For about the ten thousandth time, you've got your answer so stop playing obtuse and learn it!
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    LOL...enlighten us. What did the unions want.

    September 19, 2013 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  17. noteasilyswayed

    The GOP has less than thirty days left to try to obfuscate and confuse the people. They are hoping that people will not participate in these exchanges; however, when people see that they are going to obtain decent coverage and that they will be helped by tax subsidies to pay for this health care, they will flock to sign up on these exchanges. The GOP will be exposed as deceitful and wrong once again. Lots of GOP candidates are going to lose in 2016, after the ACA has been fully implemented and people see that it provides much better coverage..... history shows that the GOP was against Social Security, Medicare and now the ACA. Why are they consistently opposed to things that help the poor and middle class? Because they want the super rich to become richer with each new generation.

    September 19, 2013 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  18. ghostwriter

    Fair is Fair

    ghost – yeah, seriously. One of the pet arguements in support of Obamacare is that we're subsidizing, via higher premiums, uncompensated care. I get that. I understand that. Now under Obamacare, there should be no more uninsureds. Right? No need for, no such thing as "uncompensated care". Should that not be reflected, therefore, in reduced premiums? If not, why not?

    There will still be some uninsured. That's not new. But less uninsured than we have now. And yes, it will be reflected in reduced premiums. Will it be dollar for dollar? Probably not. Not a zero sum game. But yes, it should result in lower premiums.

    September 19, 2013 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  19. Malory Archer

    Concerned Citizen

    "O’Malley, a Democrat, told Perry that Texas is “not an economy that is actually lifting up the middle class.”

    Well, neither is Maryland. Taxes are horrendous compared with surrounding states. Raising taxes has resulted in chasing away the high earners leaving more of the burden on the middle. And those coming out of the best school systems in MD aren't staying in the state because it doesn't economically make any sense. He should be the last person preaching about economies that help the middle. O'Malley as president is the biggest mistake this country could possibly make.

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    Yeah, except those high taxes that Marylanders pay provide quality schools, public transportation, infrastructure construction & maintenance – you know, all those things that aren't available in texass.

    September 19, 2013 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  20. Jimh77

    Thanks to Obamacare and NY laws, we lose our health insurance on 1OCT, unless we want to pay $2300.00/mo, our mortgage is less than 1/2 that. So looks like we'll be paying fines or moving out of NY. Obama has done nothing but destroy everything he touches. Hate to admit it, looks like Sara was right.

    September 19, 2013 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  21. cjb

    Actually, that is not a true response to the unions. Obamacare forces company lay-offs and companies with 50 or less employees to join onto the exchanges if they don't want to provide insurance for their employees. Before this, people joined the unions because it allowed them to be part of a conglomerate of multiple unions to get cheaper rates for insurance. Obamacare will eliminate that and thus eliminate the need for joining a union. Unions are losing members by the masses.

    September 19, 2013 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  22. Scribe

    Perry's point, Access to insurance is access to insurance, His Texaans ALL have access to the medical services, WITH OR WITHOUT INSURANCE. Access to insurance and Access to medical services are two different this.

    September 19, 2013 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  23. anon

    It'll get defunded.

    September 19, 2013 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
  24. pandora

    Malory Archer

    pandora

    athiestone

    Texas – secede already!!! We're all ready to see you go down like the Titanic!!!
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Totally uncalled for....you don't know us

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    But it's your governor who tossed out the seccession card to begin with? Why are you so angry that others agree with him?

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    It's not the secession question-I've thought for a while that it should seriously be considered. It was the hatefulness I objected too. Please don't judge all of us according to the too vocal right and the antics of Dick Perry. We're not all like that.
    Like any other state we have people who conform too much and others who don't conform at all. The majority of citizens here are very nice people

    September 19, 2013 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
  25. Scribe

    Perry's point, Access to insurance is access to insurance, His Texaans ALL have access to the medical services, WITH OR WITHOUT INSURANCE. Access to insurance and Access to medical services are two different things.

    September 19, 2013 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
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