September 18th, 2013
08:17 PM ET
7 months ago

Debating O’Malley, Perry on healthcare: ‘putting more people on the Titanic’

Washington (CNN) – Red state-blue state governors Rick Perry and Martin O’Malley debated job creation and healthcare on Wednesday, with Perry equating adding people to Medicaid via Obamacare with “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

Both men are thought to be contenders for the White House in 2016 and on CNN’s “Crossfire,” they aired out some of the key issues that are likely to define their campaigns should they run.

Perry has been noncommittal about his plans to pursue the Republican nomination for a second time after the Texas governor’s campaign imploded last year. He showed none of the hesitation of 2012 on Wednesday night however, hammering home points about Texas job creation through limited government policies.

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When challenged on the disproportionately large number of minimum wage jobs created in Texas along with the large number of Texans without health insurance, Perry stuck to his talking points.

“We’re about giving people freedom,” Perry said, the freedom to have a job and the freedom to choose whether or not they have health insurance.

Perry continually cited the businesses that have set up shop in Texas, including Amazon, Facebook and Toyota.

“They didn’t come there if they were worried about whether or not there was not going to be a skilled workforce, or people were going to have healthcare,” Perry said.

Perry and O’Malley clashed most sharply over jobs, in large part spurred by Perry’s media outreach aimed at poaching Maryland businesses.

In response to Texas’ business-friendly environment, O’Malley fell back on job-creation language coined by President Barack Obama.

Rather than Texas policies that seem to disproportionately create minimum wage jobs, Maryland has chosen to focus on “building an economy from the middle out,” O’Malley said, via things like improving education.

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O’Malley, a Democrat, told Perry that Texas is “not an economy that is actually lifting up the middle class.”

The two came at their different positions with radically different statistics and perspectives.

O’Malley spoke of talent creation and entrepreneurship encouraged in Maryland while Perry trumpeted improving education standards and the various options Texans have for healthcare, although he didn’t elaborate.

Texas and Maryland have also taken polar opposite views on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, Obama’s signature legislative achievement better known as Obamacare.

O’Malley has continued to hold up Maryland’s early adoption of Obamacare while Perry has refused federal money to expand Medicaid via the healthcare law.

Perry argued that expanding Medicaid and embracing Obamacare would ultimately end up costing Texas $100 billion.

Putting “tens of thousands of people on a system that is broken,” Perry said of adding them to Medicaid, is akin to “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

In turn, O’Malley argued that the flexibility of the Obamacare healthcare exchanges that get underway next month, regardless of the inevitable hiccups in the system, will offer Maryland workers a competitive advantage – allowing them to move from job to job without worrying about losing their health insurance.


Filed under: Health care • Martin O'Malley • Rick Perry
soundoff (371 Responses)
  1. Me

    Malory Archer

    pandora

    Malory Archer

    pandora

    What was hateful? Maybe wishing we'd all sink like the Titanic. That equates to wishing most of us would die. Such a nice thing to say.

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    Riiiiight, because lying about "Obamacare" and comparing it to a reservation on the titanic in an effort to scare people into dismissing it isn't hateful. M'kay, got it. (rolls eyes)
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    I keep hearing this lying claim, show us where they are lying, PROOF not just opinion!!! Fact is my premiums have gone up WAY more the past 2 years then they did in the previous 5 years combined!!! Yes they went up every year but only by 10 or 20 bucks a month. Last year and this year they went up by well over 100 a month ($55 a check last year and $60 a check this year and I get paided every 2 weeks) EACH year! What else could have caused them to increase by such a drastic amount? It was Obamacare!!!! I am scared to see how much they will increase next year, I am expected about the same. I pay so much each check that I would almost be better off not having insurance. Obamacare has done NOTHING to lower the cost!

    September 19, 2013 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  2. Rudy NYC

    Fair is Fair wrote:

    One would think so, right ghost? Guaranteed it doesn't happen. Guaranteed. And that was my original point – those that currently pay their way (and by default pay the way of the uninsured) via their insurance premiums will continue to do so, only with the additional burden of increased taxes of Obamacare.
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    What "additional burden of increased taxes of Obamacare" would that be, Fair? As you write, "those that currently pay their way ... via their insurance premiums will continue to do so, only with the additional burden of increased taxes of Obamacare." What taxes might that be, Fair. Please, tell me that you're talking about the "tax penalty" you would get for not carrying insurance. Sorry, Fair. If you are paying for health insurance, then you are subject to any tax penalty.

    "Nice try, but we gotcha."

    September 19, 2013 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  3. MrManhattan

    Mr. Perry, please secede, we really can't afford to subsidize all these "red ink" states and pay off Bush's wars and tax cuts at the same time.

    September 19, 2013 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  4. Etta Mae

    Such fools. You don't want the ACA because it encourages government dependency. I don't think there's more than one or two members of Congress who have voluntarily given up the government subsidized health insurance they receive at taxpayer expense. It seems to me that if members of Congress really believed that citizens should not be encouraged to depend on government, they would set an example and forfeit their free insurance and elect to buy their own. They would pay for gym memberships rather than using the free gym at the capitol. They'd drive their own cars, pay for their own office space, printing costs, phone services, employee salaries, etc. Because as I see it, the Congress is wholly dependent upon the government to do the job they promised their electorate they would do – even though they've done nothing significant in the past five years, unless you consider their greatest accomplishment: downgrading the credit rating of the United States. And threatening to do it again. Yes, some Americans truly are too dependent on government. They all live in Washington, DC.

    September 19, 2013 01:43 pm at 1:43 pm |
  5. Name jk. Sfl. GOP conservatives,the garbage of America.

    Perry should shut up instead of embarrassing himself AGAIN. We should sell Texas to Mexico and throw perry in for free although that would probably screw up the whole deal!!!!

    September 19, 2013 02:00 pm at 2:00 pm |
  6. Wake up People!

    Bravo Miss Etta Mae!!! Bravo!!

    September 19, 2013 02:08 pm at 2:08 pm |
  7. Rudy NYC

    CORRECTION:Sorry, Fair. If you are paying for health insurance, then you are subject to any tax penalty.

    Sorry, Fair. If you are paying for health insurance, then you are NOT subject to any tax penalty.

    September 19, 2013 02:10 pm at 2:10 pm |
  8. Fair is Fair

    Hey Rudy – go google Obamacare taxes and see for yourself. I've tried to itemize the most painful ones to the middle class several times on this thread, but it appars I've hit a nerve with these moderators. At any rate, if you think the only "tax" is the Obamacare fine... well, Rudy, you're just wrong.

    September 19, 2013 02:18 pm at 2:18 pm |
  9. Rudy NYC

    Fair is Fair

    Hey Rudy – go google Obamacare taxes and see for yourself. I've tried to itemize the most painful ones to the middle class several times on this thread, but it appars I've hit a nerve with these moderators. At any rate, if you think the only "tax" is the Obamacare fine... well, Rudy, you're just wrong.
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    Done. First hit I get is the "Office of Congressman Jeff Duncan". He has a list of "new taxes" under Obamacare. First on his list, " A new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income." In other words, he's blaming a change in the capital gains rate on the ACA. In fact, he's blaming any and every change in the IRS tax rates on the ACA. How come he didn't blame it on the Dallas Cowboys not winning the Super Bowl last year?

    September 19, 2013 02:39 pm at 2:39 pm |
  10. Arun

    I agree with MrManhattan!!

    September 19, 2013 02:50 pm at 2:50 pm |
  11. Hogan's Goat

    Hey, Texas is ok. Rick Perry seems all right until he says more than soundbites, and Texas elected him before they realized he's had one too many beers in his lifetime. He'll be gone soon, even sooner if he tries to embarrass his Party by running for president again.
    It is SO important to these people to lie about Obamacare that I am sure they have never heard one accurate word about it. I doubt they know the lies from truth by now; get one to explain the difference between "successful Romneycare" and "failed Obamacare" if you want a laugh.

    September 19, 2013 02:52 pm at 2:52 pm |
  12. Fair is Fair

    "Done. First hit I get is the "Office of Congressman Jeff Duncan". He has a list of "new taxes" under Obamacare. First on his list, " A new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income." In other words, he's blaming a change in the capital gains rate on the ACA. In fact, he's blaming any and every change in the IRS tax rates on the ACA. How come he didn't blame it on the Dallas Cowboys not winning the Super Bowl last year?"
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    Ummmm... no, Rudy. The 20 or 21 new taxes listed on various reputable websites were written directly into the ACA legislation as funding mechanisms. Please be honest.

    September 19, 2013 02:52 pm at 2:52 pm |
  13. Hogan's Goat

    " What else could have caused them to increase by such a drastic amount? It was Obamacare!!!!
    You do understand that Obamacare hasn't started yet, right?

    September 19, 2013 02:53 pm at 2:53 pm |
  14. labman57

    No, a more apt analogy would be to compare the ACA to the RMS Lusitania ... and Rick Perry and his tea-chugging cohort view themselves as U-boat captains malevolently lurking beneath the sea, seeking an opportunity to torpedo the grand ship with dogmatic rhetoric, legislative obstructionism, and self-serving alienating gubernatorial policies.

    September 19, 2013 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  15. Hogan's Goat

    "a more apt analogy would be to compare the ACA to the RMS Lusitania " Except that the idea of a lunk like Perry as a captain is hilarious. He'd spend all his time looking through the periscope and yelling "Hey, a fish!" They can't drive their U-boats well enough to torpedo anything except the GOP Clown Car of Candidates.

    September 19, 2013 03:49 pm at 3:49 pm |
  16. Rudy NYC

    Fair is Fair wrote:

    Ummmm... no, Rudy. The 20 or 21 new taxes listed on various reputable websites were written directly into the ACA legislation as funding mechanisms. Please be honest.
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    I am being honest. I am accurately quoting the web site of a Republican member of the House. You doubt my source?

    He has put together quite the list of "new taxes", which he blames on the ACA. My favorite is the "Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ". I've told you where to look.

    September 19, 2013 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
  17. Hogan's Goat

    What's this I see? Why, it's Rick Perry, driving the GOP CLOWN CAR again! How do they pack them all in there? Now Palin's popping out with Herman Cain right behind her. SLAP! Too close, Herman, back off a bit. And is that Michelle Bachmann crawling out, eyes crossed? Sure enough, and there's santorum all over the seat, and Rand Paul droning on and on. And the whole back seat is full of Chris Christie . . .

    September 19, 2013 04:05 pm at 4:05 pm |
  18. Hogan's Goat

    Hey, you guys have fun beating up a straw man dressed up as Obamacare. I'm sure it will be cathartic for you and improve your mental health.

    September 19, 2013 04:26 pm at 4:26 pm |
  19. Marie MD

    @herman from VA, I live in MD and wouldn't move to a state where both the probe governor and AG take money from "friends" and then pretend that the wedding catering, gifts, private jet and lodging in luxury, among other perks, in some island can be erased by giving the money back or to a charity.

    September 19, 2013 04:38 pm at 4:38 pm |
  20. ghostwriter

    Fair, there are new taxes in Obamacare, things like the luxury tax on Cadillac plans and the like. They are supposed to only hit the higher income folks. So it's not hitting everyone and certainly not the lower income folks.

    September 19, 2013 05:59 pm at 5:59 pm |
  21. ronjayaz

    It appears that the Republican party has been against the Affordable Care Act since it was passed & has only ONE POSITION on it, it's repeal. It's another knife in the heart of the Republican party a la ET TU BRUTE.

    September 19, 2013 07:34 pm at 7:34 pm |
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