September 18th, 2013
08:17 PM ET
10 months ago

Debating O’Malley, Perry on healthcare: ‘putting more people on the Titanic’

Washington (CNN) – Red state-blue state governors Rick Perry and Martin O’Malley debated job creation and healthcare on Wednesday, with Perry equating adding people to Medicaid via Obamacare with “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

Both men are thought to be contenders for the White House in 2016 and on CNN’s “Crossfire,” they aired out some of the key issues that are likely to define their campaigns should they run.

Perry has been noncommittal about his plans to pursue the Republican nomination for a second time after the Texas governor’s campaign imploded last year. He showed none of the hesitation of 2012 on Wednesday night however, hammering home points about Texas job creation through limited government policies.

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When challenged on the disproportionately large number of minimum wage jobs created in Texas along with the large number of Texans without health insurance, Perry stuck to his talking points.

“We’re about giving people freedom,” Perry said, the freedom to have a job and the freedom to choose whether or not they have health insurance.

Perry continually cited the businesses that have set up shop in Texas, including Amazon, Facebook and Toyota.

“They didn’t come there if they were worried about whether or not there was not going to be a skilled workforce, or people were going to have healthcare,” Perry said.

Perry and O’Malley clashed most sharply over jobs, in large part spurred by Perry’s media outreach aimed at poaching Maryland businesses.

In response to Texas’ business-friendly environment, O’Malley fell back on job-creation language coined by President Barack Obama.

Rather than Texas policies that seem to disproportionately create minimum wage jobs, Maryland has chosen to focus on “building an economy from the middle out,” O’Malley said, via things like improving education.

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O’Malley, a Democrat, told Perry that Texas is “not an economy that is actually lifting up the middle class.”

The two came at their different positions with radically different statistics and perspectives.

O’Malley spoke of talent creation and entrepreneurship encouraged in Maryland while Perry trumpeted improving education standards and the various options Texans have for healthcare, although he didn’t elaborate.

Texas and Maryland have also taken polar opposite views on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, Obama’s signature legislative achievement better known as Obamacare.

O’Malley has continued to hold up Maryland’s early adoption of Obamacare while Perry has refused federal money to expand Medicaid via the healthcare law.

Perry argued that expanding Medicaid and embracing Obamacare would ultimately end up costing Texas $100 billion.

Putting “tens of thousands of people on a system that is broken,” Perry said of adding them to Medicaid, is akin to “putting tens of thousands on the Titanic knowing how it’s going to turn out.”

In turn, O’Malley argued that the flexibility of the Obamacare healthcare exchanges that get underway next month, regardless of the inevitable hiccups in the system, will offer Maryland workers a competitive advantage – allowing them to move from job to job without worrying about losing their health insurance.


Filed under: Health care • Martin O'Malley • Rick Perry
soundoff (371 Responses)
  1. Salty Bob

    This guys a joke nuff said.

    September 19, 2013 09:24 am at 9:24 am |
  2. ghostwriter

    When asked how he felt about the uninsured using emergency rooms and sticking tax payers with the bill, Perry said, "Texans have decided that that is how they want to pay for it."

    It is amazing. Whenever they actually speak, you can almost hear the Bugs Bunny music.

    September 19, 2013 09:25 am at 9:25 am |
  3. Noneya

    Sure would have been nice to see the entire show instead of the parts you want me to see.

    September 19, 2013 09:25 am at 9:25 am |
  4. Do your research

    Most of the congressmen that are going to vote to shut down the government if Obamacare is funded, tell their people that government insurance is horrible have government insurance themselves! If it's good enough for them it should be good enough for you too!

    September 19, 2013 09:29 am at 9:29 am |
  5. kirk

    How does requiring you to have insurance trying to get you dependent on the government? Tell ya what, you continue to work for peanuts, spend your check on health insurance, and watch the companies pay their people very high wages, while your little check gets smaller every year.that's Perry's freedom for you. Good luck!

    September 19, 2013 09:30 am at 9:30 am |
  6. Rudy NYC

    nc1965 wrote:

    Prior to Medicare, “about one-half of America’s seniors did not have hospital insurance,” “more than one in four elderly were estimated to go without medical care due to cost concerns,” and one in three seniors were living in poverty. Today, nearly all seniors have access to affordable health care and only about 14 percent of seniors are below the poverty line.
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    And just like unemployment, the numbers were significantly worse among minority communities because jobs that paid a living wage were so few and far between for minorities.

    September 19, 2013 09:30 am at 9:30 am |
  7. LiberaLIowan

    It's surprising that perry can remember what Obamacare is.

    September 19, 2013 09:32 am at 9:32 am |
  8. Terry

    Since Perry has been wrong on so many previous issues, I have to go with Obamacare. Didn't earlier but since Perry is against it it must be a very good thing.

    September 19, 2013 09:33 am at 9:33 am |
  9. OrygunDuck

    Yet Mitt Romney always bragged about the success of his reforms for his own state. And it is pretty much the same program.

    September 19, 2013 09:35 am at 9:35 am |
  10. stewart

    Would somebody tell the idiot governor of Texas I am tired out supporting those without insurance every time they go to the ER. Why is the ACA a bad idea now and it was a good idea when the GOP wanted it? I guess its because they couldnt pass it.

    September 19, 2013 09:37 am at 9:37 am |
  11. SW

    @SpgfldTom ... "Nothing like having the destruction of the finest medical care in the world as your legacy."

    Obamacare or single payor...does nothing to discount the medical care. While we may have the finest medical care AVAILABLE...the system/process wrapped around how you acquire and pay for these services is designed to do nothing more than, generate money for an industry that adds no value to the actual medical care. NONE.

    September 19, 2013 09:43 am at 9:43 am |
  12. Bob

    Perry has the IQ of a box of rocks.

    September 19, 2013 09:44 am at 9:44 am |
  13. Jeff Brown in Jersey

    Perry has been sucking on the government breast for years, but doesn't want anyone else to get a taste. Typical Republican hypocrite. Vote them all out!

    September 19, 2013 09:44 am at 9:44 am |
  14. Rusty Krus

    I don't know which looks more ridiculous, Perry's new glasses, or his old toupee!

    September 19, 2013 09:45 am at 9:45 am |
  15. JustAThought

    I'm only commenting to clarify something, no political leaning meant with this. AndrewA- The Titanic reference Mr. Perry used is referring to the actual Titanic that struck an iceberg and sank in 1912, not a movie. Here is the time line: Titanic hit iceberg on April 14, 1912 (11:40 p.m.) and sank on April 15, 1912 (2:20 a.m.). Meaning that Obamacare is heading for an "iceberg" and will sink. The Titanic sinking is an historical event that was made in to a movie.

    September 19, 2013 09:45 am at 9:45 am |
  16. stuid idea

    So a healthcare bill that gives healthcare to those who otherwise wouldn't get it and allows parents to cover kids until they are 26...is like an accident that killed 1500+ people?

    Metaphorically this fails, factoring in common sense this fails. Only in Rick Perry's bizarro world America does this make any sense.

    And people wonder why the average person looks at republicans and go what are they talking about the majority of the time?

    September 19, 2013 09:47 am at 9:47 am |
  17. farside6262

    I wish the bashers of "Obamacare" knew what they were talking about. Even though my "pre-existing condition" is cured- 7 years and counting, the insurance companies are not required to recognize that it is indeed deemed curable by the medical community (Hep C, via blood transfusion) and persist in charging me $650/mo. with a $5000 deductible. As a self-employed contractor, I can't afford that, could you?
    Thanks to the president's plan, I can get the same coverage for $240/mo. with a $1000 deductible. YES, note that I AM PAYING for it! I am thrilled at the opportunity to have affordable care and more than happy to pay my fair share! This government plan, called PCIP, will phase out at the end of this year and those of us with "pre-existing conditions" will then be able to PURCHASE health care through any insurance company we choose since all companies will be forced to provide affordable care to us. You don't want health care? Not only is that irresponsible, but don't tell me I cannot have it! I've seen far too many instances of entire families being financially wiped out by one devastating diagnosis.

    September 19, 2013 09:48 am at 9:48 am |
  18. Dick Delson

    Rick Perry...the village idiot speaks. If he wants to run for anything, it should be the garbage truck that took his alleged brain

    September 19, 2013 09:49 am at 9:49 am |
  19. Phyllis Gwendoline Williams

    "Let EVERY SOUL be subject unto the Higher Powers..For he is The Minister of God to thee for Good"(Romans 13:1,4)

    September 19, 2013 09:49 am at 9:49 am |
  20. Herman Kirwin

    stewart

    Would somebody tell the idiot governor of Texas I am tired out supporting those without insurance every time they go to the ER. Why is the ACA a bad idea now and it was a good idea when the GOP wanted it? I guess its because they couldnt pass it.
    =====================================================================

    LOL...who do you think will pay for those costs for the people on Obamacare who do not have jobs or are under employed......LOL

    September 19, 2013 09:50 am at 9:50 am |
  21. Debbie

    Perry hates insurance, period. We have the most uninsured and Perry likes it like that.
    Our taxes are high (yes, no state income tax, but watch out for those pesky property taxes.) The state does not fund public education or state universities properly, and Perry likes it like that. He boasts that the local school districts are the ones firing teachers for lack of funding. Not his problem.

    If Perry wants to compare insurance to the Titanic, then I'd say Perry is comparable to a captain that knows his passengers are going to die if nothing is done, and then he will do everything in his power to hit the ice berg and sink
    the ship.

    Freedom? How about freedom to not die for lack of health care when it could do some good. How about leaving Planned Parenthood alone? Freedom of choice to not die.

    Perry is NOT about freedom.

    September 19, 2013 09:51 am at 9:51 am |
  22. sammy750

    I watched and love the show. Gov. Perry is such a LIE. He is really suppressing his people in TX. Poor education, poor healthcare and does not offer Obamacare. The hospital and health care clinics will fail when they run out of money. Does Perry get that. Doctors and hospital need to be paid.

    September 19, 2013 09:51 am at 9:51 am |
  23. AT HOAGAN'S GOAT

    My lungs are clean, do your research sir. Its a big disaster. Going to start something nobody can fix.. Also, Obama indefinatly needs to stop spending money we DONT have. Every body wants to blame his problems on Bush, but the thing is if you do you RESEARCH you'll see he made our country a mess & in dept. Spending what we dont have.. The only "mess" Obama was left is the war, and he STILL hasnt handled it correctly. 5 years later and still cant fix "Bush's Mess" .. whats the excuse now?

    ahhhh excuses excuses excuses

    September 19, 2013 09:51 am at 9:51 am |
  24. Herman Kirwin

    Do your research

    Most of the congressmen that are going to vote to shut down the government if Obamacare is funded, tell their people that government insurance is horrible have government insurance themselves! If it's good enough for them it should be good enough for you too!
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    LOL...congress gets a waiver from obamacare Cletus. do you actually think you will get the same coverage as Congress.....ROTFL

    September 19, 2013 09:51 am at 9:51 am |
  25. sammy750

    The nation of serious people need to push back against the extremist in the Republican Party. We cannot allow them to stay in office. You do notice the extremist Tea Party members never speak out or show themselves on camera. A few do like ted cruz, who is a racist radical. He needs to be sent back to Canada.

    September 19, 2013 09:53 am at 9:53 am |
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