Arms treaty draws NRA, conservative ire
September 25th, 2013
03:11 PM ET
12 months ago

Arms treaty draws NRA, conservative ire

Washington (CNN) - The United States signed on to an international arms control treaty Wednesday that seeks to reduce global atrocities, but the road to ratification in the Senate may prove to be extremely bumpy and, possibly, insurmountable.

Secretary of State John Kerry signed the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) on the sidelines of this week's gathering of the U.N. General Assembly.

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  1. Jeff Brown in Jersey

    The NRA and the GOP... $ is more important than human lives!

    September 25, 2013 03:18 pm at 3:18 pm |
  2. rs

    The crazy Right continues it's sllide into ever deeper depths of delusional/untruthful behavior.

    Really, guys? Really? Now you support the rights of illegal arms brokers? This treaty doesn't even touch the Second Amendment- not that you'd ever admit such a fact. I guess conspiracy and deception is so much easier to live with.

    September 25, 2013 03:21 pm at 3:21 pm |
  3. Rudy NYC

    You know, you would think that the self-proclaimed "pro-life" crowd be more in favor of common sense gun control. I can't remember the exact figures that I read last week, so please don't quote my approximations.

    There was something on the order of 32,000 deaths from gun shots in 2011, which is the last year with published records. I find that to be a disturbing number of people to be killed by guns. But what I found even more troubling is that out of those 32,000 deaths from gun fire, nearly 2/3 of the people died by their own hand, through suicides. Of the 32,000 people who died from gun fire, nearly 21,000 of them died as a result of intentionally self-inflicted wounds.

    Maybe it is more of mental health issue than what I've realized.

    September 25, 2013 03:21 pm at 3:21 pm |
  4. The Real Tom Paine

    Oh, can any gun huggers help me out on this? In the photos of the Navy Yard shooter, was he holding the gun properly as he slaughtered those people? After all, you said the president's pic of him skeet shoot was photoshopped; is it possible the Navy Yard shooter pics were photoshopped as well? Is it also possible the Obama Adminsitration staged the whole thing in yet another sneaky effort to gut the Second Amendment? Can we get the usual conspiracy theorists, like Ricky McDaniels, just saying, freedom, Gunderson, hector slagg and the rest of the clown car panel to weigh in on this? I'm just a lefty who does not want to get killed by a gun owner with road rage on the way home tonight., because my glancing in his direction made him feel threatened and he feels compelled to exercise his rights under some " Stand your Ground Law". By the way, I'm also wearing a hoodie and eating Skittles.

    September 25, 2013 03:23 pm at 3:23 pm |
  5. Tom

    Right. Because we all know the only thing that will stop bad guys committing atrocities is good guys committing atrocities.

    September 25, 2013 03:23 pm at 3:23 pm |
  6. smith

    What a joke, the UN holds very little power to enforce any treaty. This is fodder for the anti-gun masses. The Dems are digging themselves into a big hole and are going to be sorry come election time. (Colorado is a recent example)

    September 25, 2013 03:23 pm at 3:23 pm |
  7. rs

    You know, you would think that the self-proclaimed "pro-life" crowd be more in favor of common sense gun control.
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    Rudy usually you and I are in complete agreement- but first this treaty isn't about "gun control", its about international weapons shipments and trade. On your other observation- by no means can the GOP be called "pro-life"- they prove that daily- quite right!

    September 25, 2013 03:26 pm at 3:26 pm |
  8. Tony

    Unless the weapons banned by the treaty are used to blow up the Capitol Building or the NRA headquarters, I don't think the votes are there to ratify the treaty. Why don't we ban the sale of these weapons? The Second Amendment does not protect people's right to SELL weapons.

    September 25, 2013 03:27 pm at 3:27 pm |
  9. Anonymous

    Whatever the "conservatives" and the NRA are against..........I am for 100%

    September 25, 2013 03:28 pm at 3:28 pm |
  10. Fair is Fair

    Rudy NYC

    "But what I found even more troubling is that out of those 32,000 deaths from gun fire, nearly 2/3 of the people died by their own hand, through suicides. Of the 32,000 people who died from gun fire, nearly 21,000 of them died as a result of intentionally self-inflicted wounds.

    Maybe it is more of mental health issue than what I've realized."
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    And those 21,000 ill people would have found another way to off themselves had they not had a gun.

    September 25, 2013 03:30 pm at 3:30 pm |
  11. Ken

    If Johnny signed this, it's got to be crap.. he would be cleaning toilets at Mc D's if it were not for his wifes money...

    September 25, 2013 03:34 pm at 3:34 pm |
  12. jinx9to88

    Aw Yes NRA wackos looking to sell more guns for the manufacturer's.

    September 25, 2013 03:43 pm at 3:43 pm |
  13. smith

    Wow, congrats Rudy you have impressed me. A liberal who doesn`t cherry pick the stats. Mental health is the primary issue and we as a nation have failed to help these folks.

    September 25, 2013 03:53 pm at 3:53 pm |
  14. Sniffit

    "The Dems are digging themselves into a big hole and are going to be sorry come election time. (Colorado is a recent example)"

    The only way the Colorado recalls could be extrapolated to future elections elsewhere is if you assume that, just like in Colorado, the GOP/Teatrolls will have the advantage of massive voter suppression. In CO, the libertarians played shenanigans, dilly-dallied getting their names certified and then sued to get on the ballot, which resulted in a judge ordering that no mail-in voting could take place because it was too late to change the ballots mailed to people. That, despite the fact that approximately 70% of CO voted via mail in ballots in the last several elections, the majority of which were Dems. Dem turnout ended up very poor as a result because people were confused at the last minute. So yeah, if you want to say that's a glimpse of the future, then sure...let's assume all the efforts GOPers/Teatrolls in control of red states to suppress certain voting demographics are effective...voter ID, reduced voting hours, reduced numbers of polling places and voting machines, reduced early voting, reduced registration periods, stricter registration requirements, laws attempting to discourage and prohibit voter registration drives, taking voter registration out of public high schools and colleges, etc. Sure, you can probably make your predictive argument...just recognize that it wasn't the substance of the issues that swung the vote favorably for GOPers/Teatrolls in CO, and it won't be the substance of the issues that does it nationwide. It will be their cheating.

    September 25, 2013 03:55 pm at 3:55 pm |
  15. Sniffit

    "And those 21,000 ill people would have found another way to off themselves had they not had a gun."

    Statistics and psychology studies don't exactly support that assumption.

    September 25, 2013 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
  16. Sniffit

    "This treaty doesn't even touch the Second Amendment- not that you'd ever admit such a fact. "

    Don't worry. They'll be screaming about giving up our "sovereignty" and "disarming the nation" and "ruining our ability to defend ourselves from rogue states" and whatever else Crazy Wayne and the gun manufacturers tell them to scream soon enough. Illegal gun running keeps gun manufacturers in the money. Period. That is all there is to this equation as far as the NRA and RWNJs are concerned.

    September 25, 2013 03:59 pm at 3:59 pm |
  17. Zerubbabel

    The repubs claim to be listening to the will of the people when it comes to the PPACA, but not when it comes to gun control, so hypocritical.

    September 25, 2013 04:08 pm at 4:08 pm |
  18. Rudy NYC

    Fair is Fair wrote:

    And those 21,000 ill people would have found another way to off themselves had they not had a gun.
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    Maybe, maybe not. Shooting yourself in the temple requires far less courage than most other means. You're unconcious, if not dead, before you even feel the pain.

    September 25, 2013 04:18 pm at 4:18 pm |
  19. Rudy NYC

    @Fair – Have you ever heard of the term "suicide by police"? It makes me wonder about the Navy Yard shooter.

    September 25, 2013 04:25 pm at 4:25 pm |
  20. The Real Tom Paine

    -smith

    What a joke, the UN holds very little power to enforce any treaty. This is fodder for the anti-gun masses. The Dems are digging themselves into a big hole and are going to be sorry come election time. (Colorado is a recent example)
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    So, we should do nothing to discourage International gun trafficking, because Wayne La Pierre is an expert on this and tells us not to? Since when is the International community subject to the arbitrary whims of the gun huggers?

    September 25, 2013 04:27 pm at 4:27 pm |