WH: You can't delay the individual mandate
September 26th, 2013
03:36 PM ET
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WH: You can't delay the individual mandate

Washington (CNN) – White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was dismissive Thursday of comments by Sen. Joe Manchin endorsing a one-year delay of the new health care law's individual mandate.

"The fact is you have to make the system work," Carney told reporters during the White House press briefing, arguing that one of the most popular aspects of the Affordable Care Act, the protection of those with preexisting conditions, cannot work without the individual mandate.

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Carney's assertion was in response to comments made by Manchin Thursday morning at a Bloomberg Government breakfast hosted in Washington. At that breakfast, the West Virginia Democrat said he would support a funding bill that includes a one-year delay for the requirement that virtually all Americans have health insurance or face a penalty fee.

"There's no way I could not vote for it," Manchin is quoted by Bloomberg as saying of such a resolution. "It's very reasonable and sensible."

When asked about Manchin's statements, Carney said that it was not a new position for the senator. Carney stressed that any effort to achieve that goal via the continuing resolution to fund the government would be irresponsible.

"Attaching it to a continuing resolution will not pass the Senate, will not become law, but will only draw us closer to a shutdown," Carney said of a delay. "It doesn't change anything."

Congress is fast hurtling towards an end-of-Monday deadline to pass a continuing resolution that would fund the government. House Republicans attached language to the bill that would defund the law, known as Obamacare, while funding everything else, which is a nonstarter in the Democrat controlled Senate.

Short of defunding or dismantling President Barack Obama's signature law, a delay in the individual mandate has been one of the most popular anti-Obamacare pushes by conservatives and even some liberals.

The argument, by Manchin and others, is that such a delay would be only fair to the American people after the Obama administration granted a similar delay to large businesses in their reporting requirement for providing health insurance to their employees.

To that, Carney and other Obamacare supporters argue that the individual mandate is the lynchpin of the entire law, the only way to ensure lower prices and put enough money in the system for insurers to affordably cover the sick and healthy alike.

The reason that those with preexisting conditions won't be denied insurance under Obamacare "is because of the expansion of the number people who will be covered and participate in these marketplaces provided by the Affordable Care Act through the individual mandate," Carney said.


Filed under: Health care • Jay Carney • Joe Manchin
soundoff (35 Responses)
  1. Tampa Tim

    Manchineel was elected for shooting the ACA. He was wrong then, and is wrong now.

    September 26, 2013 03:41 pm at 3:41 pm |
  2. Tampa Tim

    Should have been Manchin, sorry.

    September 26, 2013 03:42 pm at 3:42 pm |
  3. just saying

    "The fact is you have to make the system work," Carney told reporters during the White House press briefing, arguing that one of the most popular aspects of the Affordable Care Act, the protection of those with preexisting conditions, cannot work without the individual mandate.
    ----

    the real fact is that all of these people are paying for and subsidizing all the other people. the real fact is that most of these people are younger people, the very voters that obama has been lying to for four years and conning.

    September 26, 2013 03:46 pm at 3:46 pm |
  4. Rudy NYC

    "The fact is you have to make the system work," Carney told reporters during the White House press briefing, arguing that one of the most popular aspects of the Affordable Care Act, the protection of those with preexisting conditions, cannot work without the individual mandate.
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    And Sen. Manchin is well aware of that fact because it would reduce the revenue for insurers. You have to stop and ask yourself.this, "Why would insurers lobby to eliminate the individual mandate when it would reduce their revenue?" The simple answer is that it would cause the ACA to fail, which in turn, would eliminate the 80/20 limit on the insurers' profits. That's why.

    September 26, 2013 03:46 pm at 3:46 pm |
  5. Sniffit

    I've explained this here before. For it to work, the individual mandate has to apply without delay. If it does not, then you introduce adverse selection into the system, i.e., only people who need medical care, but currently don't have insurance and can't get medical care, will sign up. That causes prices to rise because you've essentially created a high-risk pool for yourself, instead of creating a risk pool based on the level of risk present across the whole population. This is why the GOP/Teatrolls were desperately trying to make the apples to oranges comparison and demand delay of the individual mandate based on delay of some of the employer provisions (truly, more like apples to space shuttles). They desperately wanted to create political pressure to delay the individual mandate, and thereby introduce adverse selection into the system, cause prices to rise and then turn around and say "see! the prices are rising! it's not working!"

    So, once again: the GOP/Teatrolls attempting to break gov't in order to "prove" it's broken.

    September 26, 2013 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  6. freedom

    The president can't be a dictator (as much as he'd like to be) and pick and choose which part of the law will be implemented or not, and who is mandated to be under it, or not. It's either a law, or it isn't. If parts of it are not implemented, then it is invalid as a whole.

    September 26, 2013 03:49 pm at 3:49 pm |
  7. freedom

    Send it back to the Supreme Court – this is not the law they passed. They passed it as a whole, not fragmented.

    September 26, 2013 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
  8. Sniffit

    "such a delay would be only fair to the American people after the Obama administration granted a similar delay to large businesses in their reporting requirement for providing health insurance to their employees. "

    The two things have NOTHING to do with one another and the analogy/comparison is so broken that it's a wonder anyone making it or believing it to be accurate is capable of feeding themselves without choking to death.

    September 26, 2013 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
  9. Wake up People!

    Since they can't repeal or defund it, now let's delay it. These people think everyone is as moronic as themselves. No delays obstructionist traitors.

    September 26, 2013 03:58 pm at 3:58 pm |
  10. sonny chapman

    I thought Repubs. were big on acting & not talking. It's time to ACT. This is a Govt.attempt to nudge people to do what they should be doing on their own;taking responsibility for an area of their lives so that the rest of us don't have to pick up their slack. Normally a Repub. concept UNTIL Obama proposed it.

    September 26, 2013 04:12 pm at 4:12 pm |
  11. Rusty Krus

    @just saying
    the real fact is that all of these people are paying for and subsidizing all the other people. the real fact is that most of these people are younger people, the very voters that obama has been lying to for four years and conning.

    You Sir seem to reside in a universe that has nothing to do with truth or reality... I get it, you are addicted to Faux "News"! Roger Ailes is laughing at tools like you.

    September 26, 2013 04:12 pm at 4:12 pm |
  12. smith

    Just let it go for now. If it works, great. However, if it is a complete failure the Dems will be in the crapper big time. The Dems have chosen to make a huge gamble on ACA.

    September 26, 2013 04:15 pm at 4:15 pm |
  13. Sniffit

    "the real fact is that all of these people are paying for and subsidizing all the other people."

    THAT IS THE ROOT OF ALL INSURANCE. THAT IS HOW RISK POOLING WORKS. All you're doing is complaining about apples being apples and oranges being oranges and turds being turds, as if you can somehow convince everyone that apples shouldn't be apples because that would just be too appley. GROW UP. You sound like an uninformed goon regurgitating talking points like that. Totally absurd.

    September 26, 2013 04:21 pm at 4:21 pm |
  14. just asking

    Rudy NYC
    And Sen. Manchin is well aware of that fact because it would reduce the revenue for insurers.
    --

    so obama is more concerned with the revenue of the health insurance companies than he is with being fair to the american people. and he claims to be a man of the people? another obama lie exposed.

    September 26, 2013 04:22 pm at 4:22 pm |
  15. just saying

    Rusty Krus
    @just saying
    the real fact is that all of these people are paying for and subsidizing all the other people. the real fact is that most of these people are younger people, the very voters that obama has been lying to for four years and conning.
    --
    You Sir seem to reside in a universe that has nothing to do with truth or reality... I get it, you are addicted to Faux "News"! Roger Ailes is laughing at tools like you.
    --
    Sniffit
    --
    "the real fact is that all of these people are paying for and subsidizing all the other people."
    -–
    THAT IS THE ROOT OF ALL INSURANCE. THAT IS HOW RISK POOLING WORKS
    --

    well, rusty krus... according to your buddy sniffin it is you that resides in a universe that has nothing to do with truth or reality! maybe you should educate yourself instead of posting false personal attacks?

    September 26, 2013 04:25 pm at 4:25 pm |
  16. jinx9to88

    Ok, I thought I heard it all. New poll shows 47% oppose Obamacare, but 37% oppose Affordable Car Act known as ACA. People, ITS THE SAMETHING!!!! What is wrong with people these days? And the GOP want to cut education? They need to double education funding if people are this stupid.

    September 26, 2013 04:27 pm at 4:27 pm |
  17. just saying

    Sniffit
    --
    "the real fact is that all of these people are paying for and subsidizing all the other people."
    -–
    THAT IS THE ROOT OF ALL INSURANCE. THAT IS HOW RISK POOLING WORKS. All you're doing is complaining about apples being apples and oranges being oranges and turds being turds, as if you can somehow convince everyone that apples shouldn't be apples because that would just be too appley. GROW UP. You sound like an uninformed goon regurgitating talking points like that. Totally absurd.
    -–

    of course this is how it works.... everybody knows this (well, except your buddy rusty krus). the difference is that insurance pools were voluntary. obamacare creates insruance pools with government guns to the heads of these young people. the government is forcing them to do something that is not in their fiancial best interest, but in the best financial interest of others. grow up and admit this fact.

    September 26, 2013 04:29 pm at 4:29 pm |
  18. just asking

    smith
    Just let it go for now. If it works, great. However, if it is a complete failure the Dems will be in the crapper big time. The Dems have chosen to make a huge gamble on ACA.
    --
    where is the gamble if all they have to do is take more and more of your money in order to pay for their losing bets on obamacare??? the democrats don't lose, they just keep taking more and more from the people they think they can take more and more from.

    September 26, 2013 04:32 pm at 4:32 pm |
  19. Sniffit

    "if it is a complete failure the Dems will be in the crapper big time"

    Right, which is why the GOP/Teatrolls across the country, particularly in red states they control, have done everything they can to try to break it....to "prove" it's broken. The gamble was worth it, even with the GOP/Teatrolls spending all their time doing nothing but trying to get a finger on the roulette wheel while it's still spinning.

    September 26, 2013 04:40 pm at 4:40 pm |
  20. The Real Tom Paine

    -freedom

    Send it back to the Supreme Court – this is not the law they passed. They passed it as a whole, not fragmented.
    *******************************
    The Supreme Court did not pass it it, Congress did. The SCOTUS were the ones who declared it constitutional. It cannot be sent back when the law has already been declared valid. Justice Roberts went to great pains to find a way to MAKE it constitutional, which is what his role is supposed to be, NOT to strike down whatever laws one-half of the legislative branch finds offensive on any given day. It is the House that is trying to fragment or defund a valid law, not the President.

    September 26, 2013 04:42 pm at 4:42 pm |
  21. spike

    This plus immigration reform = the final nail in the coffin of the middle class. Fundamental transformation accomplished Obama!

    September 26, 2013 04:43 pm at 4:43 pm |
  22. The Real Tom Paine

    -just asking

    smith
    Just let it go for now. If it works, great. However, if it is a complete failure the Dems will be in the crapper big time. The Dems have chosen to make a huge gamble on ACA.
    -
    where is the gamble if all they have to do is take more and more of your money in order to pay for their losing bets on obamacare??? the democrats don't lose, they just keep taking more and more from the people they think they can take more and more from.
    ***************
    Awww, geez, did you lose at Powerball again?

    September 26, 2013 04:54 pm at 4:54 pm |
  23. The Real Tom Paine

    -just asking

    Rudy NYC
    And Sen. Manchin is well aware of that fact because it would reduce the revenue for insurers.
    -

    so obama is more concerned with the revenue of the health insurance companies than he is with being fair to the american people. and he claims to be a man of the people? another obama lie exposed.
    ***************
    Another example of your bipolar disorder.

    September 26, 2013 04:55 pm at 4:55 pm |
  24. Sniffit

    "the difference is that insurance pools were voluntary. obamacare creates insruance pools with government guns to the heads of these young people. the government is forcing them to do something that is not in their fiancial best interest, but in the best financial interest of others. grow up and admit this fact."

    1. Guns? A tiny tax penalty? Haha. You're nothing if not enamored with hyperboles from the bubble.

    2. Not in their financial best interest? Name the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in this country. NAME IT.

    All you do is parrot conclusory statements and provide ZERO factual analysis and argument to back it up....and it's because you can't. It's all faulty premise starting points.

    September 26, 2013 05:03 pm at 5:03 pm |
  25. Data Driven

    Ah, Manchin. The "Democrat" from West Virginia.

    September 26, 2013 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
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