September 30th, 2013
11:46 AM ET
11 months ago

Live: Federal government shutdown begins

– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
- See how shutdown could affect you; and see what will be closed; what will be open.
- Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
- President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
- Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
- Updates below; also, check out our full story.


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  1. rs

    CA Independent

    Obamacare is a mess. It's not ready for implementation in any sense of the word. Obama is essentially telling the American people to bend over and take it. Are there good elements? Sure, but there are also huge problems that are not resolved. Obama's response? Tough, live with it. Sorry, I don't buy into the no negotiations stance of Obama here. We don't want a shutdown, but even more we don't want to pay 2-3 times what we are paying now for insurance.
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    But the GOP isn't negotiating. They have offered no health care bill of their own; they have turned their backs on their parts that are in the bill, and: they have offered no fixes. The ACA is SETTLED LAW. Get over it and pass a budget.

    September 30, 2013 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  2. rs

    How is the GOP political suicide clock doing today?

    September 30, 2013 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  3. Sniffit

    "but even more we don't want to pay 2-3 times what we are paying now for insurance."

    Good thing the data coming out show that premiums will be even less than CBO predicted, eh? Of course, you wouldn't know that from watching the MSM and networks like Faux News and CNN, which deliberately ignored the reports that showed it so they could continue their breathless nontroversy manufacture.

    September 30, 2013 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  4. Sniffit

    "there are already things in place to take care of situations where people get medical treatment when they don't have insurance. "

    Yeah, it's called the federal bankruptcy court. And oh looky...it is kept extremely busy because the majority of bankruptcies in this country are caused by uninsured medical costs.

    September 30, 2013 01:00 pm at 1:00 pm |
  5. just asking

    rs
    megyese
    Here is the problem the dems. They heve never wanted anything. All they want is to spend. They are they problem. Keep fighting for us replubic. Dems need to get rid of obama care it is hurting the american people.
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    Too bad the only proof to your last statement is Republican talking points, because the FACTS are different. As far as the parties go, here's another fact: ending the ACA NOW will raise the debt and the defict of the U.S. So, which party spends more?
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    well of course, because there are 21 new taxes on the american people as part of obamacare. why don't you be honest and tell the whole story? people keeping their money is a good thing. the endless growth of government must end at some point or everything we make will be taken and consumed by the beast. we do have kids and families to support you know.

    September 30, 2013 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  6. boungiorno

    now we will all have to brainstorm ismt a wonder though anything worth having isnt easy

    September 30, 2013 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  7. Sniffit

    "poor people who can't pay should be covered by medicaid."

    Meanwhile, you cheer all the red states run by GOPers/Teatrolls who refused to take the offered Medicaid expansion because they want adverse selection to hamper implementation of the ACA and undermine its provisions that would actually help lower premiums and medical costs.

    September 30, 2013 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  8. Rudy NYC

    "just saying" wrote: [ and not "Just Saying" ]

    here are already things in place to take care of situations where people get medical treatment when they don't have insurance. the hospitals pursue legal remedies for people who don't pay their bills. poor people who can't pay should be covered by medicaid.

    people in this country don't need government to dictate every aspect of their lives to them. we have almost no freedom left in this country. we all are surely unknowingly breaking 2-3 laws a day. every new law spawns tens, hundreds, thousands of new rules and regulations. it is a total nightmare at this point. and now obamacare has added another 20,000 pages or rules and regulations for our healthcare system. total insanity.

    but where is your concern for the tens of millions of federal income tax free riders when our country is running trillion dollar deficits? please be consistent in enforcing personnel responsibility. do they not have an obligation to support this country, if even with a token tax payment?
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    What sort of "things in place to take care of situations where people get medical treatment when they don't have insurance" are you talking about? If you mean Emergency Rooms, then I'd agree with you.

    People in this country don't need Republicans to dictate every aspect of their lives. People should take personal responsibility for their own health care. Don't expect health care handouts. If you can afford it, then you should buy it.

    Where is your knowledge of historical facts? Republican POTUS Ronals Reagan instituted the current progressive tax system that allows so many to pay no taxes at all. His tax cuts during his first term tripled the national debt and increased the annual budget deficit by a factor of ten. Your complaint is about economic policies instituted by the right wing.

    September 30, 2013 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  9. Name George Griffin

    When the stock market plunges due to republicans irrasponsible actions, they will be stealing money from everyone of us investors all because they are not getting thier way. this is not leadership it iis kindergarden like gaming. it is exactly like showing up at the party with a game then instructing everyone that the rules are everyome must play the game thier way or they will take there game and go home. Good go home.

    September 30, 2013 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  10. Karenoma

    Complaints of employers cutting hours, cutting health care? ObamaCare does not do that - employers do. All examples of why health insurance should not be tied to or dependent on your job. October 1 you can go to the "exchanges" or marketplace and choose reasonably-priced insurance yourself. Individual insurance premiums have been out of reach for those who are self employed, part-time, lose or have to change jobs, have pre-existing or chronic conditions, etc. After October 1, they won't be. It has always been the case that most part time workers do not get employer-provided health insurance. Employers have always been able to cut insurance, raise employees' portion of premiums, choose the policy available [and some I know had very poor policies available], etc. Employees had no choice if the insurance was lousy or very expensive. . Why do you want to leave your health insurance to the "mercy" of your employer? Don't listen to the lies - this week, if you need to, go get health insurance on your own or keep what you have if you want to. If ObamaCare is going to be such a disaster, Republicans would be glad to let it be - they they would have no problem winning all the coming elections and gaining control. They are desperate because they are afraid it will prove to be much better than we have had in our miserable expensive health-care system.

    September 30, 2013 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  11. Donna

    rs
    Ironic to me that the IRS employees and consulatnts supporting the rollout of the program are considered essential and therefore will continue to be at work and get paid, while others providing useful services to citizen's are furloughed.
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    Yeah, funny how the government needs money to run. The GOP hasn't figured that out yet.
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    I'm curious rs.... how much do YOU contribute in terms of federal income taxes on a yearly basis? Or are you a federal income tax free rider like so many others? Why do you and so many more expect to get a free ride when it comes to supporting the operation of this country? IMO, those that pay nothing should have no say and especially have no say in forcing others to pay for them and their free ride.

    September 30, 2013 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  12. rs

    The Market is off 100 points (around .69%) already. How much does that cost? Tick, tock, GOP.

    September 30, 2013 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  13. zeon

    A friend reminder. There is should be NO compromise in Ransom or Extortion.

    This is the bottom line:

    The Republican is asking for a delay/defund the Affordable Care Act.
    The Democrat is asking for to not let the government to shut down in exchange.

    It is like saying,

    Republican: "I will let you have what you want (let the government running for another 2 months), in return, give me my incentive, which is defund/delay of the ACA.

    I can't believe people support such as act. Such as this one.
    "house republicans need to stick to their positions and shut the government down for as long as it takes to get rid of or delay this destruction of our healthcare system. the american people stand behind them 150%."

    September 30, 2013 01:08 pm at 1:08 pm |
  14. c-lo

    Let's just get the bill passed, then we can see what is in it!

    September 30, 2013 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  15. Millard

    With the country so severly divided, this issue needs to be addressed. Posturing and refusing to discuss or negotiate is irresponsible. When the President was selling this idea, it sounded much better then it's turning out. A new law should not cause the loss of jobs, cutting of hours or put people in worse financial crisis then they already are.

    Obama and Dems need to put their ego's aside and work this out with the Repubs for the benefit of the American people. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There are ~316 million people in the U.S. of which ~35 million are uninsured. This includes people who are illegal and others that simply don't believe in purchasing insurance. Obama will punish many Americans just to roll out his broken legacy law. He'll be remembered for it alright, but not in the way he hopes.

    September 30, 2013 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  16. Wilson

    @rs

    The Market is off 100 points (around .69%) already. How much does that cost? Tick, tock, GOP.
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    Good, it is artificially supported anyway. It needs to drop to its real value, then this country can start it's real recovery.
    $

    September 30, 2013 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  17. Jeff Brown in Jersey

    Had enough of this crap? Vote out any politician that has an "R" after their name. Do it every voting cycle and see how much better our nation works!

    September 30, 2013 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  18. c-lo

    @rs–the House did pass a budget. And if this ACA is law and just needed to get over, why are some provisions now being put off for a year, why are the unions up in arms about it, why are there so many waivers being given, why are so many companies AND government agencies adjusting their payrolls to reduce the impact?

    Maybe it's because "we passed it so we know what's in it." Now "we" know what's in it and 56%+ don't like it...Why doesn't the Senate pass the House budget "to see what's in it" like they did with ACA–it was apparently good policy for the Dem's before.

    September 30, 2013 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  19. rs

    Donna

    rs
    Ironic to me that the IRS employees and consulatnts supporting the rollout of the program are considered essential and therefore will continue to be at work and get paid, while others providing useful services to citizen's are furloughed.
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    Yeah, funny how the government needs money to run. The GOP hasn't figured that out yet.
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    I'm curious rs.... how much do YOU contribute in terms of federal income taxes on a yearly basis? Or are you a federal income tax free rider like so many others? Why do you and so many more expect to get a free ride when it comes to supporting the operation of this country? IMO, those that pay nothing should have no say and especially have no say in forcing others to pay for them and their free ride.
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    As a percentage- much more than Mitt Romney, thank you for asking. IF I ever get to retire, I do look forward to joining the much hated 47%.

    September 30, 2013 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  20. rs

    Millard

    With the country so severly divided, this issue needs to be addressed. Posturing and refusing to discuss or negotiate is irresponsible. When the President was selling this idea, it sounded much better then it's turning out. A new law should not cause the loss of jobs, cutting of hours or put people in worse financial crisis then they already are.

    Obama and Dems need to put their ego's aside and work this out with the Repubs for the benefit of the American people. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There are ~316 million people in the U.S. of which ~35 million are uninsured. This includes people who are illegal and others that simply don't believe in purchasing insurance. Obama will punish many Americans just to roll out his broken legacy law. He'll be remembered for it alright, but not in the way he hopes.
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    I call BS. The GOP has been itchin' for this fight for years- crash the government (proving government doesn't work) in exchange for getting rid of the social safety net. Sure, so the Dems give in again, and undo some or all of the ACA- in two months the GOP discovers it hates Social Security.

    No, no, my friend, the radical fringe doesn't steer the ship.

    September 30, 2013 01:30 pm at 1:30 pm |
  21. Zolicon

    Well if it happens You should hope that You are more than 783.000 steps up the ladder.

    September 30, 2013 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  22. rs

    IMO, those that pay nothing should have no say and especially have no say in forcing others to pay for them and their free ride.
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    Two points Donna- No one gets a free ride- that's just another GOP myth. When you factor sales tax, gas tax, renter's tax an so on the poor pay a higher percentage than the rich- get it? Second, we no longer base voting rights on property or land. Nice try to give our nation and our democracy away to the rich!

    September 30, 2013 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  23. Ron -IN

    There are so many ridiculous stamen here I don't even know where to begin, but I will try.
    1) The Affordable Care Act came into existence because Healthcare Insurance was on its own for 20 plus years and was often going up 15 to 20% per year.
    2) The healthcare Insurance Industry was dropping people and were refusing to cover 100's of thousand if not millions because of "pre-existing conditions'.
    3) Several thousands of Americans have gone bankrupt because they either could not afford the insurance or there was a cap and they had to pay the balance out of pocket.
    4) You have to be close to "dirt poor" to get Medicaid assistance.
    5) It is a out right lie to say the only reason companies are hiring part time employees is because of the Affordable Care Act. For 18 months over 2 years ago I worked for Target and they would never let me work more than 28 hours a week, often it was less than 20. There may be some companies lowering their workers hours but it is mostly out of greed not necessity.
    6) If you want to really see America turn around we have to have a Congress that doesn't cut the SNAP program for the working poor at the same time they give farming corporations tax write offs that insure they make a profit. We need a minimum wage (about $10.00 an hour) that allows full time employees to earn enough money so they won't NEED the SNAP program to live.
    Everyone reading this needs to realize, the countries median age is rising, more and more of us are making $11.00 and hour or less. This means more and more of us will have little to no savings when we retire, will have paid little into Social Security, and have hardly no health care insurance. If this trend continues the nation is going to slowly become less and less able to support and help it's poor because it is going to be MOST OF US!!!
    The Affordable Care Act while flawed is the first step in the right direction, making a real attempt to get Healthcare cost under control.

    September 30, 2013 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
  24. GonzoinHouston

    I don't think this showdown is about Obamacare as much as it is about the Tea Party attempting to take over the GOP. Eventually a number of republican representatives are going to have to vote for a bill that includes Obamacare. That will give the TP an excuse to field an opponent in the next primary election and a prime issue to use in that campaign. The democrats are not going to back down as long as the polls say the republicans will get most of the blame for a shutdown. Obama is not up for re-election. The TP's actually want a shutdown. The saner republicans in the House are caught in the vise.

    September 30, 2013 01:39 pm at 1:39 pm |
  25. Millard

    Thanks GOP for watching out for Americans.

    September 30, 2013 01:40 pm at 1:40 pm |
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