September 30th, 2013
11:46 AM ET
7 months ago

Live: Federal government shutdown begins

– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
– See how shutdown could affect you; and see what will be closed; what will be open.
– Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
– President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
– Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
– Updates below; also, check out our full story.


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  1. Donna

    Rudy NYC
    Salute that! It bears repeating. Republicans have no wish to govern, they want to rule.
    -–

    Interesting comment from a leftist that supports the forcing of USA citizens to purchase a private product or be fined (AKA TAXED) by their government. The American people did not ask for Obamacare and in the process of having it jammed down our throats, we have discovered that our government has powers none of us envisioned thanks to the Supreme Court.

    In short, our government has become quite tyranical to many Americans. Seeing it shutdown is a pleasure at this point. The government MUST understand it is there to serve the people, not rule them with tyranical dictates, which is exactly what Obamacare is. This is what you get when a far left Democrat Party gets taken over by extemists not interested in compromise but intersted only in forcing their government takeover of our healthcare system by people that didn't even read what they passed.

    October 1, 2013 11:13 am at 11:13 am |
  2. Sniffit

    "Obama should call in the leaders of both parties and in Lyndon Johnson fashion, keep 'em talking till they get a deal"

    Yeah, that'll work. Meanwhile, outside the room, the GOP/Teatrolls will whip up a RWNJ frenzy with the MSM's feckless assistance characterizing that kind of thing as Obama behaving like a tyrant and dictator and literally holding people hostage to force them to do what he wants. Keep living in your ideological dreamland, Gergen. What should be done is this: the Dems and Obama do nothing, let the GOP flounder and own this mess and just stare them down until they flinch. Period. And they WILL flinch. 5 years of their tantrums and craziness and enough is enough. They need to be broken.

    October 1, 2013 11:14 am at 11:14 am |
  3. Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes

    The ACA website is getting so many people going to it, that the site temporarily crashed. And these morons shut down the government to delay this law. Apparently millions of people want it and need it.

    October 1, 2013 11:17 am at 11:17 am |
  4. Data Driven

    @Sniffit,

    "And the traffic is so heavy from people trying to get on"

    I know, right? But I thought Obamacare was "shoved down people's throats". LOL

    October 1, 2013 11:18 am at 11:18 am |
  5. Blow me

    Senate Democratic party shutting down the govt. The libbys are the ones truly responsible for this debockle. Not even to come ot the table to negiotiate, just like when they rammed this ACA law down our throats. Looks like democratic continue to show their true colors...self entitlement and selfishness. truly disgusting!

    October 1, 2013 11:19 am at 11:19 am |
  6. Tom P

    It's hard to believe that just a decade ago America was regarded to be the finest country in the world and is now viewed as morally corrupt, most racist, violently desperate and most undistinguished. America can thank weak kneed Democrats, the immoral Tea Party traitors... and a middle class that does little but whine. You deserve each other.

    October 1, 2013 11:24 am at 11:24 am |
  7. RMCole

    The House Republicans are acting like spoiled children who can't get their way. They have tried to repeal The Affordable Care Act 41 times and failed. The Supreme Court has ruled that it is Constitutional. What are they so afraid of that they won't let this program pass? (That was rhetorical by the way.) There are many more things that they should be spending their time on – like revising the tax code, improving our return home policies and support for our Veterans, ending poverty and hunger for our elderly and children. But no, they would rather exacerbate the problems by not allowing people to be paid for their work, (via the shut down), and refusing to provide medical coverage for Americans. In my opinion they're not working for the American People, they're working against us – and that's not the American way. They should all be voted out of office.

    October 1, 2013 11:24 am at 11:24 am |
  8. Olrusty

    Tea Party has brought down the Republican party and are now ready to bring down the Federal Government. The Dems have agreed to the Repubs proposed budget by giving in to their numbers. The CR should move forward with those numbers. This is about the budget, not the Affordable Care Act. In the end the Repubs will pass the budget "they" proposed with major cuts. They will drop the ACA, but the damage will be done and 2014 will see less Repubs in the House and Senate. Congratulations Ted Cruz, you have destroyed the Republican Party. We Democrats thank you.

    October 1, 2013 11:25 am at 11:25 am |
  9. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    Lynda Minnesota
    The problem is, neither side will be very happy when moderates vote en masse. Neither side is ever truly happy with moderates
    -------------------------------------------------
    But aren't most of us moderates truly Lynda? A nice combination of liberal and conservative values, avoding the pitfalls of extremism? I don't really understand your statement as to why "neither side is truly happy with moderates". Why is that?
    In other news, I posted a comment to you that I truly hoped you'd get to read. More along the ties that bind us/similarities. It was there one minute and ....gone the next!
    Loopy moderators.

    October 1, 2013 11:25 am at 11:25 am |
  10. Steve

    ACA was put in place voted on legally and verified constitutional. The GOP on the other hand puts in a bill simply getting rid of it (holding americans for ransom if we don't agree to their demands) and somehow its not the GOP trying to force Americans to doing what they want. What fantasy world do you live in? Giving into ransom demands now would not stop there it would continue on and on with more demands of what the GOP wants (non-Democratically). One has to also wonder who with deep pockets is benefiting from the market fall with this orchestration by the GOP to force a government shutdown. GOP campaign contributors perhaps?

    October 1, 2013 11:26 am at 11:26 am |
  11. rs

    tom l

    Just to show the hypocrisy on both sides, how many liberals were on here complaining when the House left on Friday? Were you same people complaining when Harry Reid did not have the senate in session on Sunday? Thought not.
    _________________________
    Take a Civics class Tom. The job of the Senate is to filter bad laws passed by the House, hence the different levels of populations represented and the differences in the terms of office. It is part of checks and balances in action. BTW, the shoe goes the other way. Knowing their bill would not survive the Senate or the President's veto, why do the radicals in the House persist in holding the same dead-end vote over and over at the cost of $1.5 million each time to the taxpayer? Hardly seems responsible now, does it?
    The GOP is insanity in action.

    October 1, 2013 11:27 am at 11:27 am |
  12. tom l

    @Data Driven
    "I know, right? But I thought Obamacare was "shoved down people's throats". LOL"

    Come on, Data. Be honest. The reason there is so much traffic, if that really is the case, is because they have been forced to. They have to comply with the law or be fined. Just because there is traffic doesn't mean anything other than the fact that people don't want to be penalized. "Want" vs. "Mandate" 2 very different things.

    October 1, 2013 11:28 am at 11:28 am |
  13. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    Ben: You can't make people vote for the "better idea", when they're more concerned with how they dress, how good they look, or taking in to false promses IN ORDER TO GET YOUR PRECIOUS VOTE. Remember these individuals are going to make up to and exceed 10 to 20 times the average workers wages. Regardless, nobody likes shoddy decison makng. Even though I'm predominatly Republican, I will tell you, I'm blue collar, and know, every bushel has its rotten apples. Jeff

    October 1, 2013 11:29 am at 11:29 am |
  14. rs

    Wilson

    There is not much difference between democrats and republicans any more. The only real difference is the republicans will destroy the country slower.
    ____________________
    Wrong Wilson- the GOP is fast-tracking the end of America by radically shifting wealth to the super-rich; denying civil rights and voters' rights (core foundations to our republic); and they are wrecking the economy- again.

    October 1, 2013 11:30 am at 11:30 am |
  15. Civil Servant

    I don't care who's to blame, make a GD decision and get Federal Employees back to work. I don't have deep pockets or any kind of a savings account so after not getting any kind of a pay raise for more than 2 years, then my pay dropping an additional $150/mo due to the tax increase, then the loss of an additional $4,000 due to sequestration, and now I'm furloughed again because a bunch of over privileged, over paid idiots can't come to some type of an agreement really upsets the crap out of me. They should be financially penalized for not reaching a decision. They should all be forced to give back at least $5,000 each of their income so they can see how it actually feels to struggle.

    October 1, 2013 11:30 am at 11:30 am |
  16. Lynda/Minnesota

    thank you for responding with the truth. it is very difficult keeping up with all the lies that sniffin, rudy, data, lynd spew in his forum. and the fact is they know they are lying and deceiving people. it is the leftist/progressive/socialist/communist/democrat way.
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    Oh, dear. Are you calling me a liar, just saying? I'm going to have to take offense at your comment. - just saying

    October 1, 2013 11:30 am at 11:30 am |
  17. Fair is Fair

    Data Driven

    @Sniffit,

    "And the traffic is so heavy from people trying to get on"

    I know, right? But I thought Obamacare was "shoved down people's throats". LOL
    --------
    My guess is that a lot of people are going to the websites out of curiosity more than anything else. The telling numbers will be (a) the percentage of the 40 million uninsureds who actually purchase something, (b) the percentage of those receiving some subsidy, and (c) their age demographic.

    My guesses are (a) less than 20%, (b) over 90%, and (c) over age 30.

    October 1, 2013 11:30 am at 11:30 am |
  18. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    "Obama should call in the leaders of both parties and in Lyndon Johnson fashion, keep 'em talking till they get a deal"
    -------------------------------------------------
    They call him a dictator when he acts too reasonably.
    Imagine the tar and feathering they'd give him for doing something like that.
    But you know, don't shelf that idea quite yet. The Tea-infested Rethugs have gone so far out on the limb acting like petulant,entitled children that he might very put his size 13 foot down pull them into a room and tell them to suck it up and work it out......naaah!!!!

    October 1, 2013 11:32 am at 11:32 am |
  19. FLIndy

    @LOL

    Jay

    Congress passed Obamacare, the president signed it, the Supreme Court upheld it, Obama campaigned on it a second time and was reelected. So in what manner was the will of the people disregarded?
    _______________________________
    Well poll after poll that states the majority (about 57% now and growing) does NOT want the law (and I don't care why they don't want it the fact is they don't!!!)!!!! Learn to think for yourself and maybe you could read between the lines!!
    _____________________________
    You're the one that needs to read between the lines as the MSM won't tell you that a large part of the percentage aer people who don't think the ACA went far enough and want universal healthcare like the vast majority of industrialized nations do. Our country is failing fast and President Obama has been trying for the past 5 years to bring us back to life and join the rest of the 1st world countries but the Tea Party/GOP won't allow it! You have to ask WHY?? The ACA needs some fixes as do all big programs but it does not need to be repealed or delayed!

    October 1, 2013 11:33 am at 11:33 am |
  20. rs

    tom l

    Should they have shut the govt down? Probably not. Did the repubs have reasonable requests like the medical device tax and making Congress live by the same rules (without special subsidies)? I think so. Were the repubs willing to compromise? Of course they were as their budgets showed that they were willing to give.

    The big question is...where was President Obama during this whole mess? He hadn't talked to Boehner in weeks. That's exactly what a leader would do. They wouldn't say things like "I don't have to negotiate". That is not inclusive. Yes, he won 2 elections but there is a huge population of Americans that did not vote for him. Those people have not been considered at all by this Administration. That's wrong.
    ________________________
    Incorrect data piled on inaccuracies. The President was in contact with Speaker Boehner last night, and with Senate leadership as well. As to the tinkering the GOP wishes to perform on the ACA- hey they should have done that years ago when the law passed, and you know what? There is still a process for doing that- but they will not use it. Let's be honest- when you threaten the economy- and the jobs of 800,000 federal employess nation-wide to kill the ACA, the GOP simply isn't serious about fixing anything. The nihilists in their midst won. They prefer their patented hostage-taking technique instead. The GOP is doing Al Qaeda's job for them, and their excuse is the ACA- but it is not the reason.

    October 1, 2013 11:35 am at 11:35 am |
  21. Donna

    Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes
    The ACA website is getting so many people going to it, that the site temporarily crashed.
    -–

    This is called poor planning and poor design. It figures the disaster of Obamacare extends to their web site as well.

    I hope everybody is prepared to enter all of their personal information including their income and social security information on such a well constructed site! I can hardly wait until the hackers get a hold of all this information and start using it. You just KNOW this is going to happen.

    October 1, 2013 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  22. Data Driven

    @Tom L.,

    It has been my experience in life that if people are forced to do something, they drag their feet. The traffic today isn't from people terrified of the mandated fine. I guarantee you it's from people who want health insurance, or better health insurance.

    If it makes you feel better, some of the traffic may be from right-wing spammers trying to clog the website.

    October 1, 2013 11:41 am at 11:41 am |
  23. tom l

    @rs
    "The President was in contact with Speaker Boehner last night"

    A true leader would have been in contact with the Speaker more than just last night. And a true leader would not say things like "I don't need to negotiate".

    I'm not sure why I should even respond to you as you don't want to listen to facts and understand that your side bears culpability. Rather, you just want to make sure your team wins and the fact be damned.

    October 1, 2013 11:41 am at 11:41 am |
  24. John Sam

    A political HORSE & PONY SHOW, to create the rhetoric for talking points. This gives the egos of politicians media time. WAKE UP AMERICANS! These politicians could careless about the average American. They are only interested in keeping their position in Washington by any means with their own greedy agenda. They will say and do whatever they need to keep themselves in office. Riding the fence if necessary to keep their own political positions. These career politicians could careless about American families. Politicians are not struggling to keep their homes, keep food on the table or looking for healthcare. They have no idea the struggles of the "average" American...and could careless.

    October 1, 2013 11:42 am at 11:42 am |
  25. Sniffit

    " They have to comply with the law or be fined. "

    This is freekin simple, Tom, so I'm going to break it down real simple since CNN's filter boinked my longer explanation:

    The penalties are smaller than the insurance premiums in almost every single case, even when factoring in the subsidies.

    The less expansive option CANNOT constitute "overwhelming coercion' to choose the more expensive option.

    The GOP/Teatrolls gloating last week over people choosing the penalty over insurance, as if that proved the entire ACA broken, belies your broken argument.

    October 1, 2013 11:43 am at 11:43 am |
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