September 30th, 2013
11:46 AM ET
10 months ago

Live: Federal government shutdown begins

– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
– See how shutdown could affect you; and see what will be closed; what will be open.
– Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
– President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
– Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
– Updates below; also, check out our full story.


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  1. Olrusty

    GOP is self destructing. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Tea Party step out as a separate party in 2016. I would hope they do and run a Cruz/Palin ticket. That would ensure the House would turn blue and the Tea Party would no longer have the votes to block or continue to destroy Democracy. They are now blatantly stating this Government is not a Democracy and should operate totally as a Capitalistic Republic.

    October 1, 2013 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  2. Sniffit

    "My guess is that a lot of people are going to the websites out of curiosity more than anything else."

    Yeah, who needs Occam's Razor when you have confirmation bias to help you conflate a more comfortable alternative?

    October 1, 2013 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  3. Unknown

    These do for nothing Republican wanted it to shut down and forced the Dem to do it so next year they can point the fingers at them and said they shut it down not us.. Schematics! You GOP did this by putting in a bill that needs to be on it own into the budget. You know with the Supreme Court ruling it is constitutional it need to hold as a bill by itself. Do it that way oh wait this is political ploy to keep your seat because heaven knows the insurance cannot get rid of you so you can stop them from having to pay and not be for profit any more. GOP How stupid do you think the American people are? We see through your Antics and finally vote you guys out and put the house back to Dem's so we can get the economy going because you won't cause it will make Obama look good.. Your not hurting them your hurting us and your selves so keep being stupid cause America is smarter then you guys ..Fool us once shame on you fool us twice shame to the world.. What do you call a large group of Baboons hanging out? CONGRESS...

    October 1, 2013 11:45 am at 11:45 am |
  4. tom l

    WWBCD? At least he would have talked with the Speaker more often than last night. And I'm sure it wasn't easy to work with Newt Gingrich but he sure found a way.

    October 1, 2013 11:45 am at 11:45 am |
  5. Sniffit

    "The reason there is so much traffic, if that really is the case, is because they have been forced to. They have to comply with the law or be fined."

    In almost every case the fine is smaller than the premiums, even factoring the subsidies into the equation.

    Hint: The less expensive option can NEVER constitute overwhelming coercion to chose the more expensive option.

    October 1, 2013 11:46 am at 11:46 am |
  6. Chris

    Ok, time to stop finger pointing and truly get to the facts.

    1.) Obamacare is rife with problems, was passed by procedure unilaterally and is disliked by more Americans than liked today – irrefutable facts.

    2.) The Bill that the House sent to the Senate only delays the individual mandate for 1 year in order to allow time for fixes to be put in place AND causes all Federal employees including those at the highest level to have to take part in the ACA – something nearly everyone polled wanted Congress to do.

    3.) Harry Reid and Barack Obama REFUSE to compromise on the ACA at all. 45 times the House has sent them token legislation and they have dismissed it.

    4.) The ACA is showing that it will be MUCH more expensive then first envisioned. Sure, there is still a lot to be seen but nearly everyone that has studied the law agrees it has tremendous costs associated with it that were not originally planned for.

    Question – Without looking at the parties, why is the House bill (delay the mandate and put Congress on the plan) something that the Senate could not accept? Is it bad business to delay for the individual what has already been delayed for businesses? Put down the partisan rhetoric and ponder this for a moment – why can't the President and Reid accept these VERY minor items?

    October 1, 2013 11:46 am at 11:46 am |
  7. CA Independent

    So Obama changes 17 provisions of the ACA, gives corporations a year off from the mandate, yet he refuses to do the same for the American people? The ACA is a complete mess, and obviously not ready for implementation. Why should the people have to bend over for the ACA. Obama doesn't seem to care about the problems. While I'm not thrilled about the GOPs actions, Obama should give on the delay and the medical device tax which only hurts those who need it the most. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. If it's good for corporations, it should be good for the people.

    October 1, 2013 11:47 am at 11:47 am |
  8. Sniffit

    "The reason there is so much traffic, if that really is the case, is because they have been forced to. They have to comply with the law or be fined."

    Understand two things, champ:

    1. The penalty is smaller than he premiums in almost every instance, even factoring in the subsidies.

    2. The less expensive option can never constitute coercion to choose the more expensive option.

    Your argument holds no water.

    October 1, 2013 11:47 am at 11:47 am |
  9. rs

    tom l

    WWBCD? At least he would have talked with the Speaker more often than last night. And I'm sure it wasn't easy to work with Newt Gingrich but he sure found a way.
    _____________________
    Ahem. Gingrich attempted to impeach Clinton and remove him from office. Gee, why does this all seem SO familiar?

    October 1, 2013 11:48 am at 11:48 am |
  10. Peace

    Anyone out there knows what has happened to ACA website? A lot of people want to sign in and are very frustrated what they have to do to get through to it.

    October 1, 2013 11:49 am at 11:49 am |
  11. Rudy NYC

    tom l

    @Sniffit the Corporatist
    "And the traffic is so heavy from people trying to get on, get information and sign up on the exchange websites that they're being overwhelmed.
    -----------------------
    "Sniffit the Corporatist" Wasn't it you who chastised everyone you disagree with just recently for calling people names?

    October 1, 2013 11:50 am at 11:50 am |
  12. Lynda/Minnesota

    "I don't really understand your statement as to why "neither side is truly happy with moderates". Why is that?"

    It was meant as a half hearted joke. If you listen to either side and depending on which party they support many will call moderate democrats (democrat in name only or blue dogs) and republicans (republican in name only). The "why is that" is because generally speaking moderates aren't necessarily perceived as being partisans who support political parties to the end of the earth. Thus neither side is ever completely happy with moderates.

    October 1, 2013 11:51 am at 11:51 am |
  13. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    Civil Servant: I don't care what you do, or where you work. I work in the private sector, and all I have been seeing is shorter work weeks every year, increased taxes (I have 6 types taken out), increased insurance, for the last 20 years. Thank goodness I know where I came from. I know living in a tent or a car, may become reality. I give thanks for what little I do have. My private insurance premiums WILL rise 48%. Food will be taken off the table. Next time the secular system pats itself on the back on how better off they are than the private sector, remember Americans are being bled dry from entitlements.

    October 1, 2013 11:51 am at 11:51 am |
  14. Sniffit

    "The Bill that the House sent to the Senate only delays the individual mandate for 1 year in order to allow time for fixes to be put in place AND causes all Federal employees including those at the highest level to have to take part in the ACA – something nearly everyone polled wanted Congress to do."

    The Bill that the House sent to the Senate delays the individual mandate for 1 year in an attempt to introduce adverse selection into a system that is supposed to minimize it, all in the hopes that it will cause the exchange premiums to be much higher and they can claim the ACA is not working. The GOP/Teatrolls are also desperately afraid that positive outcomes between now and November 2014 will severely hurt their prospects in the mid-term elections.

    FIFY

    BTW, every single federal employee "takes part in" the ACA: the ACA mandates that large employers provide health insurance for their employees and the gov't is a large employer obeying the law. THERE. IS. NO. EXEMPTION.

    October 1, 2013 11:52 am at 11:52 am |
  15. Olrusty

    Tom
    "they should have done that years ago". Huh. Where you been?The GOP watered down ACA so severely and turned this act over to insurance companies. They had years to amend and debate and did so. This is Tea Party's way to shut down the government. The TP will now point to this period to show we don't need these Departments of government that aren't essential.

    October 1, 2013 11:52 am at 11:52 am |
  16. palintwit

    "Steve Schmidt, the political adviser who suggested that John McCain choose a fresh new face from Alaska as his running mate, now says he has “deep regret” for his role in helping to bring on the “freak show that’s been running wild for four years” in American politics."

    October 1, 2013 11:53 am at 11:53 am |
  17. rs

    To those of you saying the Democrats should have negotiated with the House... just who should they have worked with? Boehner is powerless. The TEA Partiers are being lead by SENATOR Cruz. The GOP is a freakin' mess- NO ONE is in charge. No, sir. They own this little disaster.

    October 1, 2013 11:55 am at 11:55 am |
  18. Joan

    Out of all of the 800,000 people furloughed today are they all Democrats? Aren't some of them Republicans? How do these Republicans feel about their party leaders throwing them under the bus? All they have to do is vote up or down on a clean resolution and then the government can start working, both Democrats and Republicans. Then they can go and follow the proper means to modify bills and laws. The Republicans are doing everything they can to spoil their reputations and credibility so getting the majority back in the Senate and winning the White House are going to be pretty difficult at this rate. No matter how this turns out now they have already severely damaged their brand.

    October 1, 2013 11:56 am at 11:56 am |
  19. Rudy NYC

    tom l. wrote

    A true leader would have been in contact with the Speaker more than just last night. And a true leader would not say things like "I don't need to negotiate".

    I'm not sure why I should even respond to you as you don't want to listen to facts and understand that your side bears culpability. Rather, you just want to make sure your team wins and the fact be damned.
    ------------------
    Why should the POTUS talk to Boehner? Spkr Boehner is not in charge of House Republicans. As of late, it seems that Sen. Cruz has control and influence over the House Republicans. Boehner demonstrated during the 2011 debacle that he couldn't negotiate a deal with Pres. Obama, and then get his own caucus to accept the deal that their leader negotiated.

    Besides, the Republicans have flat out refused to talk budgets or hold a budget conference. Cruz filibustered it. Remember?

    October 1, 2013 11:57 am at 11:57 am |
  20. Fair is Fair

    "Yeah, who needs Occam's Razor when you have confirmation bias to help you conflate a more comfortable alternative?"
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    Riiiiiiiiigggghhhhhhttttttt.... well, like someone else said, "it must be RWNJ's clogging the system to deliberately bring it down". Occam's Razor indeed.

    October 1, 2013 11:57 am at 11:57 am |
  21. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    Chris: For the same reason a naive customer buys a shinny new lemon from a slick car salesman.

    October 1, 2013 11:58 am at 11:58 am |
  22. just saying

    rs
    tom l
    Just to show the hypocrisy on both sides, how many liberals were on here complaining when the House left on Friday? Were you same people complaining when Harry Reid did not have the senate in session on Sunday? Thought not.
    _________________________
    Take a Civics class Tom. The job of the Senate is to filter bad laws passed by the House, hence the different levels of populations represented and the differences in the terms of office. It is part of checks and balances in action.
    -–

    egads!! this clown is telling others to take civics classes when he says the job of the senate is to filter out bad laws passed by the house??? it is you mr. clown that needs the civics lesson. the purpose of the senate originally was to represent states rights but the progressives destroyed that capability with a constitutional amendment. the house is a co-equalbranch of government and the democrats need to accept that fact and learn how to negotiate, not just stomp their feet and made endless demands.

    October 1, 2013 11:58 am at 11:58 am |
  23. steve j

    I am an independent voter and in the middle on most issues. However, this tactic by GOP is pushing me left. Obamacare has been passed and they know they don't have anywhere near the votes to overturn it. Swallow that pill and go on. Lets see if it works. Their best strategy would be to tell the people the problems they think will happen with Obamacare after it is fully implemented and if they are right, they can say "told you so" and gain credibility. The GOP tried their other great idea of trickle down economics, how did that do? I am getting less and less likely to vote for GOP because they present problems not solutions. Here is a prediction, they will lose the house because of these unpopular tactics next election.

    October 1, 2013 11:59 am at 11:59 am |
  24. L.K. Malone

    We have negotiated with the tea party–that's the reason we have ONLY Obamacare & not universal healthcare like Cuba does. Does no one remember "Sicko" by Michael Moore? And who is this blond talking on CNN right now? She has no idea what is going on in the Senate right now! I'm disappointed in CNN letting her ramble on. She needs to apply to Fox News & join Elizabeth Hasselbeck & the rest of the crazies. She & Michele Bachman can be BFF's.

    October 1, 2013 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm |
  25. Sniffit

    "gives corporations a year off from the mandate, yet he refuses to do the same for the American people?"

    Those provisions are in now way, shape or form analogous or comparable. You're howling at the moon, trying to claim that the cows in the barn should be treated just like the apples from the orchard and pressed to make delicious cider.

    October 1, 2013 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm |
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