– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
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- Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
- President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
- Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
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On a side note, I wish I have been allowed to read your disappearing post. I feel a bit of rational thinking is much needed in what has otherwise become a free fall of ... well, you know.
Well it wasn't in defense of anything or anyone, it wasn't putting anybody in their rightful place, it had no spunk...it wasn't profitable for cnn!
Commonalities: Turns out we both discovered this thread 5 years ago, brought here by a desire to learn, share, belong (?). Turns out we both soon had our psyches and heart ( I would venture)shattered, baffled by the sheer magnitude of the hate, outright lying, no-holds barred against a pretty decent human being and President faced with a number of incredible, incredible challenges.
You took the high road. I didn't mind getting a little mud on me to even the scales.
Yet here we are: a Republican (albeit a moderate one, yes?) and a sometimes dem, most times me finding commonality and the life bonds that truly matter when all is said and done.
Something I have to thank CNN for...go figure!
"I don't identify with a political party, but in all honesty I have to agree with the so called "extremists". I believe those who need care should be able to get it, but if finger pointing is needed, it should pointed at the senate for refusing to live by the laws they create."
You do realize Republicans just SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN because they don't want to "live by the law that was created". Yet youre blaming the Democratic Senate?
Overall both parties in the government suck. Most recent polls are framed around who American's hates more, the problem with the polls is they don't emphasize we hate both parties.
Lobbyist run Washington with legalized bribes and voters don't have power because it has become institutionalized bribery.
Right now they are on a mini paid vacation on our tax dollar.
Why do these people make 6 digit incomes with better benefits than most Americans, when what they do is the opposite of representing us? It's not a democracy, it's a corporation.
Currently The Affordable Health Care Act is the law. Not paying for it is not an option. If parts or the law need changed then do it the right way. But the parts of the law you don't like can not be simply ignored. The cross hairs of this shutdown will fall squarely on the Republicans and their image and reputation will take a richly deserved hit.
""Tea Party folks are insisting that congress, the pres and all the other "elites" abide by the same laws that they are attempting to pass. No waivers..."
You bit the apple. The GOP put that ridiculous statement out so you "right wingers" would have a talking point. They have nothing. This is about the BUDGET and a Continuing Resolution to fund existing government. Not ACA!. Tea Party is just playing with you "right wingers" trying to appease you and your anti government mentality. It's ridiculous.
"There are reasons for the delay for the corporations, just as there are reasons for the public"
Delaying the employer mandate, the paperwork it requires and providing time for the organizational adjustments that corporations will need to make to comply with it does not undermine the entire ACA's ability to function. Delaying the individual mandate does. Every single bit of the ACA's cost controlling and cost lowering functionality hinges upon the individual mandate and getting the most people as possible into the risk pool. It's that simple. It CANNOT be delayed without undermining the entre law. Doing so would introduce adverse selection into the system, i.e., those with illnesses etc. would sign up on the exchanges while others without immediate needs for medical care (other than normal check ups etc) would not. As a result, the exchanges would become a concentrated high-risk pool, which would cause the premiums on the exchanges to skyrocket, exactly the opposite effect they will have if everyone is signing up and the risk is kept close to the overall risk throughout the general public. But grossly inflated exchange premiums is the result the GOP/Teatrolls seek, so they can claim the law is not working and is in fact having the opposite effect from what was intended. Thus, they demand delay of the individual mandate, compliance with which requires none of the complications that compliance with the employer mandate carries with it for employers. Delaying the employer mandate has no analogous effect: employees who slips through the cracks as a result of employer screw-ups (or avarice) can fall back on the exchanges and remain part of the risk pool.
The republicants represent a clear and present danger to the United States and should be dealt with as all terrorists are!!
I no longer consider Boehner an American, and any republican who doesn't stand up to the terrorists in their own party is only aiding and abetting terrorists!
color you delusional!!!
You have a stranglehold on THAT crown.
Don't attribute silly things other people said to me as if I said them. I never said that. People are flocking to the websites because they want insurance. Period. That's the simplest, clearest, most objective explanation for the servers being overwhelmed and it requires no fabrication, assumptions, presumptions or bias (one way or the other) to arrive at that conclusion.
And when you consider that those trying to sign up have until April 1 to do so before facing penalties, it's a pretty good indicator much to the tighty righties' chagrin, the program is going to be popular if the servers are overwhelmed on the first day.
Get rid off all GOP thugs. Period.
"Let Oblundercare pass in all of it's misguided glory and wait for 2014 to flush out the rest of the Senate majority garbage..."
LOL. 42 million will have insurance that did not have it when Obama took office. And they will vote for who?
Will 100% Service Connected Disabled Veterans, continue to receive their Disability Cheçks?
What part of "we don't negotiate with terrorists" is the Tealiban having trouble comprehending?
@Sniffit the Corporatist,
So I noticed in your response you didn't address the main point. So, champ, you still going with the "tiny, teeny $95" argument or will you own up to your obvious ommision of the OR "1% of household income and in 2016 it goes up to $695 and 2.5% of your income" part?
Look, man you are soo caught up in dems vs repubs you can't even see straight. You rationalize away very valid points. You say that it's ok to delay business from the mandate because that's not the crux of the law however you completely ignore the fact that, as a liberal and "for the little guy" that it is the average guy who has to adhere to the law and big business does not. I don't care about the reason. I care about the cold hard fact that Obama, who has personally amended the ACA several times (including the very issue we're discussing here) is refusing to discuss with the representatives from the other party some other changes that have broad support to be made. He is so concerned with the legacy issue, as are all liberals here (including Krugman who admitted as much on Sunday) that it is at the expense of improving this legislation.
"it should pointed at the senate for refusing to live by the laws they create.""
How so? They are receiving health care benefits from their large employer, which is precisely what the ACA mandates.
Currently The Affordable Health Care Act is the law. Not paying for it is not an option. If parts or the law need changed then do it the right way. But the parts of the law you don't like can not be simply ignored.
Well if it is he law of the land, then why hasn't Obama implemented as it was passed? HE has picked and choosed to either implement the law or not implement parts of it something like 7 times now. That is NOT within his power. The House has the right and the power to defund this train wreck based on those grounds alone. Obama is NOT implementing a law as passed by Congress. He is implementing something else. Shut down this out of control Democrat tyrant that refuses to abide by laws that even he has signed into law.
Apparently House Republicans didn't get the memo that the United States government does not negotiate with Terrorists. Holding our government hostage is not the way to get what you want. It is similar to a 4 year old throwing a fit on the floor of Walmart because he did not get the toy he or she wanted.
The GOP is 0 for 2. They failed to keep Mr. Obama to being a "one-term" President, and now they failed to stop the Affordable Care Act from going into action.
My question to them is: as failures, when will you now get down to doing the work of this nation?
"Why should the POTUS talk to Boehner?"
Wow. Just wow. You just said it all, my man. At some point you might realize that not everyone voted for Obama yet everyone has him as OUR President. That means that he is supposed to represent all of us, not just the ones that voted for him.
October 1, 2013 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm |
"gives corporations a year off from the mandate, yet he refuses to do the same for the American people?"
Those provisions are in now way, shape or form analogous or comparable. You're howling at the moon, trying to claim that the cows in the barn should be treated just like the apples from the orchard and pressed to make delicious cider.
oh well that sure is a factual and sensible response! the sniffin has spoken... cows, apples, barn, orchard. yes,makse perfect sense! if you're smokin' something that is.
careful, JS- you're attempting to make some sense between yet another useless shutdown of the government by the GOP, and their somewhat insane attempt to relate the ACA to their inability to do their jobs.
You're party is on fire. Figure it out.
How well did the Speaker sleep last night?
Really? The House and Senate are equal bodies? You're a very funny, if not somewhat delusional man.
We could save a lot of money if we privatize all Public Education, proposed by the Republicans.
Let's make all Americans pay to go to elementary school.
Think of all the MONEY we'd have to spend on more bombs? Good idea?
Shame on CNN, the MSM, Obama, Harry Reid and the rest of the Democrats in Congress for once again trying to create a panic. This shutdown is no more of a big deal that the sequestration is – although this group did its best to scare the hell out of everybody. The stock market is up by 70 points right now. That tells you everything you need to know.
Why won't Obama and Harry Reid even sit down and discuss this. They can still say no. Not willing to even discuss anything makes them look bad and proves they really want this shut down because they think it will help them in the 2014 election.