September 30th, 2013
11:46 AM ET
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Live: Federal government shutdown begins

– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
- See how shutdown could affect you; and see what will be closed; what will be open.
- Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
- President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
- Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
- Updates below; also, check out our full story.


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  1. The Real Tom Paine

    -Fair is Fair

    Dennis

    Currently The Affordable Health Care Act is the law. Not paying for it is not an option.
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    It would not be without precedent. GWB signed into law the construction of the border fence in San Diego and it was funded by congress. When dems took control, they defunded it.
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    That's not even remotely comparable, and you know it. Pretty weak example, Fair.

    October 1, 2013 02:43 pm at 2:43 pm |
  2. tom l

    Obama has made 19 changes to the ACA. Why can he make changes?

    And the fact that the traffic on the site could not be handled says everything about how this delay is a good idea. It's just not ready yet even though they have had 3 years to get things up and running. Were they not prepared for the traffic? Did more people come to the site than they thought? Did they not plan this correctly? It sure seems like that way.

    October 1, 2013 02:44 pm at 2:44 pm |
  3. Sniffit

    "Why should the POTUS talk to Boehner?"

    Wow. Just wow. You just said it all, my man. At some point you might realize that not everyone voted for Obama yet everyone has him as OUR President. That means that he is supposed to represent all of us, not just the ones that voted for him."
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    Boehner's and Obama's offices have, in fact, been in quite a bit of contact. In fact, while Boehner was publicly making all sorts of ridiculous comments mischaracterizing the federal government's compliance with the large employer mandate in the ACA as an "exemption for Congress," he was quietly and secretly working with Dems and Obama to save congressional aids from being screwed by Grassley's ridiculous amendment that took employer-provided health care away from them. He's about to get cannibalized by the Teatrolls for it.

    October 1, 2013 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  4. Sniffit

    "Are you aware that the Democrats voted themselves yet ANOTHER exemption to laws by providing themselves a subsidy for health care benefits?????"

    100% incorrect. You clearly haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about and have jumbled up the facts completely. Grassley's absurd amendment to the ACA made it so that congressional aides and staff who didn't qualify for employer-provided health insurance benefits (i.e., provided by the gov't) could not obtain the subsidy to purchase health insurance on the exchanges. That meant that they were the only employees in that situation in the country who could not obtain the subsidy. It treated them different than everyone else. Fixing that so they can obtain a subsidy if they are not receiving health insurance through their gov't employer makes it so they are being treated LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. It's the opposite of an "exemption."

    October 1, 2013 02:52 pm at 2:52 pm |
  5. Bob C.

    If there is only one word to descibe all this insanity it is SILLY. This applies to all dumb congress people we sent to "represent" us. Do they actually represent us????

    October 1, 2013 02:53 pm at 2:53 pm |
  6. Dawn Sutherland

    How can they keep us out of the National Parks? We own them! If we can't exercise our rights, why should we pay taxes?????

    October 1, 2013 02:55 pm at 2:55 pm |
  7. sly

    Very very little difference between right wing Tea Billie religious extremists, and Muslim extreme Jihadists.

    Very little difference. Both very conservative. Both quite racist. Both use violence as a method of change. Both religious extremists.

    Tea Billy's=Jihadists. And amusing that they hate each other.

    October 1, 2013 02:55 pm at 2:55 pm |
  8. ED1

    Obama and his out of control spending buddies have nobody to blame but each other.

    Obama and the Democrats seem to think you can continue to spend what you don't have and pass bills that cost tax payers trillions of dollars we just can't afford.

    You want to fix this then have term limits, no retirement unless to put your own money into a 401K, health insurance not funded by the tax payers, travel and internment expenses budget that would be 5% of their salary, no bill could be passed unless it applies to everyone including everybody in the Government, and could only spend what you have not what you think you will have that's a start anyway.

    October 1, 2013 02:55 pm at 2:55 pm |
  9. tom l

    @Sniffit the Corporatist
    "What the hell are you even talking about? Do you even know how the ACA works? What's in it? In one breath you're complaining about small tax penalties on individuals, which cost less than the exchange premiums, as if they are massive coercion to buy insurance that costs more than the penalty...and then in the next breath you're pretending that "big businesses" don't actually have to pay massive fines if they refuse to provide health insurance benefits that comply with the ACA's requirements to their employees. "Big business" certainly does have to "adhere to the law." The "coercion" factor is, in fact, far greater in terms of corporations/employers than individuals...as it should be."

    Ummm, you conveniently decide to omit the fact that businesses were delayed from the mandate for a year while the individual is subject to the madate immediately. I don't know why you do that. I never once said that business doesn't have to comply, I said that they don't have to comply now. Big difference. Huge difference. That's now the second time you have tried to deflect and not answer.

    Why can't you just own up to the fact that you have deliberately misled on now 2 key issues today. Are you ever going to admit that the real cost for the average American isn't $95, rather it is 1% of household income and in 2016 increases to $695 and 2.5% of household income? Come on, dude. Just admit that it isn't a teeny tiny fine.

    October 1, 2013 02:58 pm at 2:58 pm |
  10. tom l

    @Sniffit the Corporatist,
    The mere fact that you consider the government just another large corporation says everything. You don't realize that "large corporation" is only there due to you and me funding it. That is not the case with a business. I don't fund Apple. I don't fund Coca Cola. I don't fund Bank of America. Therefore, whatever they pay their employees is their business. However, we do fund the federal govt. Do you understand the difference? You are clearly an intelligent person with all of the twenty-five cent words you use to impress everyone with your intelligence so you should be able to understand the difference between the govt and a private business.

    October 1, 2013 03:02 pm at 3:02 pm |
  11. Brett

    How can the shutdown be the republicans fault when they have repeatedly put forth a budget, even what the president wants for the budget and Obummer WONT negotiate ANY of the bills the House puts out anf Harry Reid WONT even open the House bill in the senate! How can this be the fault of the republicans? The democrats blame republicans and tea party members. All the tea party wants is responsible government, accountability, living within our means, good common sense that we all have to do daily, but the democrats dont feel they have to, they feel they dont even have to abide by their own laws! Cant Americans see how they are destroying the country? All America asks is that we ALL get the same treatment, not some getting waivers and others get delays, while the working class gets the shaft. The democrats dont even think this law is ready for the public but they are going to force ir upon the few of us who do not get waivers or delays no matter what! Still think this is the right way to do things? This is sick and idiotic of both parties. No bill should EVER be voted into law without having read and discussed it! Shame on ALL of those who did vote for this law! You are reprehensible to all Americans!

    October 1, 2013 03:02 pm at 3:02 pm |
  12. CA Independent

    Every single bit of the ACA's cost controlling and cost lowering functionality hinges upon the individual mandate and getting the most people as possible into the risk pool. It's that simple. It CANNOT be delayed without undermining the entre law

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    Yet enabling waivers doesn't undermine it? I think that argument is pointless. It's already in trouble as many people would rather pay the fine than sign up! I think the difference here is that I'm more interested in the economic health of the individual, whereas you are more worried about the ACA making money. We already know that the numbers on that are skyrocketing.

    October 1, 2013 03:02 pm at 3:02 pm |
  13. DonInMS

    It doesn't matter who feels they are right and who feels they are wrong, it is time for a compromise. Funding the HealthCare Act is what the Dems want, defunding is what the GOP wants. Time for a middle ground shot. Extend it for 2 years then fund it. that should make everyone happy!

    I am a federal employee and have taken so many pay cuts this year that my mortgage company is getting tired of me calling to tell them a payment will be late. If this doesn't end soon I may loose my house.

    SOMEONE BLINK! BOTH GIVE 50%!!!!!!!!

    October 1, 2013 03:04 pm at 3:04 pm |
  14. w l jones

    The European know what it like having poor healthcare ! Black DEATH! theirs why they all national health care. Here some people still living dark ages or do not know any better.

    October 1, 2013 03:05 pm at 3:05 pm |
  15. Jeff

    Both Republican and Democrat parties do support and approve spending for NSA.Yes, they do agree on the SPYING, STALKING of USA citizens, all of us and the world a like in real time. The previous annual budget for NSA 20 billion dollars. But for FY2014 it has been increased to 52 billion dollars. You know, from the same government that can't agree on a budget too! Now consider in 20 years this could amount to be over a trillion dollars and yet social security is said to go bust in 2033. It is also said Medicare will go bust before then. But guess what! Part of Obama-care funding came from Medic-care. I guess the government and Obama wish for Medicare accelerate failing even sooner!!!!!

    October 1, 2013 03:12 pm at 3:12 pm |
  16. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    Woman In California

    How well did the Speaker sleep last night?
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    Well let's see: after his pre-shutdown speech drink, pre-shutdown vote drink, post pre-shutdown vote drink, maybe-they'll-get-their-20-votes-and I'll really-lose-my-job scare drink, thank-God-they-didn't-get-20-votes-I-still-have-my-job drink, s hit!- I'm-on-tv drink, I suck at my job drink, here come those damn teatrolls again look busy drink, the senate didn't fall for it drink......
    I'm guessing he slept like a log

    October 1, 2013 03:14 pm at 3:14 pm |
  17. Sniffit

    "you conveniently decide to omit the fact that businesses were delayed from the mandate for a year while the individual is subject to the madate immediately."

    No I didn't. I've explained in detail several times why those things are not even remotely comparable or analogous, i.e., why there is no rational basis or coherent justification for claiming that "this one gets a delay so it's only fair to delay the other." Pretending I haven't done so or ignored it, just because I didn't repeat myself yet again in that particular post, is dishonest. Your analogy and your argument is a failure. The only thing those provisions have in common is the word "mandate."

    October 1, 2013 03:16 pm at 3:16 pm |
  18. The Real Tom Paine

    -tom l

    @Sniffit the Corporatist,
    The mere fact that you consider the government just another large corporation says everything. You don't realize that "large corporation" is only there due to you and me funding it. That is not the case with a business. I don't fund Apple. I don't fund Coca Cola. I don't fund Bank of America. Therefore, whatever they pay their employees is their business. However, we do fund the federal govt. Do you understand the difference? You are clearly an intelligent person with all of the twenty-five cent words you use to impress everyone with your intelligence so you should be able to understand the difference between the govt and a private business.
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    Tom, with all respect, the infrrastructure that business depends on is publically owned, ergo, they are dependent upon teh government. Private business has always been dependent upon the government: who do you think mints the coins and prints the money? Nothing is Sniffit's posts have ever indicated that he regards government and business as the same, but you seem to think he does. I think you are chasing after ghosts.

    October 1, 2013 03:21 pm at 3:21 pm |
  19. Fair is Fair

    "That's not even remotely comparable, and you know it. Pretty weak example, Fair."
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    No, I don't believe it's a weak example at all, Tom. Both laws were passed through the established procedures layed out by our system of government. Therefore, the dems should not cry "foul" when a process is used upon them when they in fact used the very same process against the repubs. The example is germaine.

    October 1, 2013 03:23 pm at 3:23 pm |
  20. Sniffit

    "et enabling waivers doesn't undermine it?"

    We were talking about the delay to the employer mandate, not "waivers./"...and no, delaying the employer mandate does not undermine the entire viability of he ACA the way delaying the individual mandate would.

    "I think that argument is pointless."

    Pretty much...since you're predisposed to believe what you'd rather believe instead of an accurate correction of that belief.

    "It's already in trouble as many people would rather pay the fine than sign up!"

    While it's true that some are doing it as a form of protest and others may be doing it for economic reasons, the stats so far show that the vast majority of people who do not have insurance and to whom insurance will become available on the exchanges WANT IT. A small percentage trying to buck the system won't destroy it. More damaging is the GOP/Teatrolls' explicit efforts to prevent people from getting insurance on the exchanges, undermine the cost control effectiveness of them by passing new laws (like FL repealing a long-standing law that allowed the insurance commissioner to negotiate rates), and their refusal to accept the Medicaid expansion. Most of it won't last long once people start realizing folks in the state next door are getting a pretty good deal.

    "I think the difference here is that I'm more interested in the economic health of the individual, whereas you are more worried about the ACA making money."

    What the heck is that supposed to mean? The ACA doesn't "make money." Private insurance companies will "make money" because of the ACA. I can't even tell what you're even talking about with this "make money" assertion.

    "We already know that the numbers on that are skyrocketing."

    CBO predicted decreased premiums and new studies have already shown that premiums in states that accepted the exchanges and Medicaid expansion are coming in even lower than CBO predicted. Nice try, but nope.

    October 1, 2013 03:24 pm at 3:24 pm |
  21. FLIndy

    RedneckRita wrote – The really, really hilarious thing is the 85% of the people posting and screaming and yelling about Obamacare are ALREADY COVERED BY IT/feeling it's effects and they DON'T EVEN KNOW IT because they don't know how the law works. They just like to scream and yell. Who does that remind you of? Oh, yah, the Republicans!!
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    Exactly! They don't even know why they don't like Obamacare other than THIS president finally did something about healthcare reform and whatever their Tea Party/Repubs tell them they go along with. First, they were told they needed to go along with repeal & replace, then it was just repeal, not it's delay! What a bunch of sheep!! We have had the highest healthcare costs among all industrialized nations, the insurance companies have been raising premiums year after year, employers have either changed plans or cut coverage for years but that is all because of Obamacare – Open your eyes people – THIS President is looking out for our future and trying to get us to a place near the top again but it will never happen with the constant obstruction and taking hostages strategy.

    October 1, 2013 03:27 pm at 3:27 pm |
  22. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    Boehner's and Obama's offices have, in fact, been in quite a bit of contact. In fact, while Boehner was publicly making all sorts of ridiculous comments mischaracterizing the federal government's compliance with the large employer mandate in the ACA as an "exemption for Congress," he was quietly and secretly working with Dems and Obama
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    I have said before and even in spite of the end result still maintain that Boehner and President Obama are more simpatico than the press or any interested parties on either side are willing to admit.
    The President got the man a birthday cake for crissakes and they enjoyed some good natured ribbing caught on camera.
    I will even go as far as to say that Boehner is old-school Republican insofar as willignness to compromise and see reason.
    The problem are the the 'tards, as in the Teatards that have him by the short hairs; because you see, even though Boehner might be all those things I said he is also useless in his position. Window dressing. A drunken wind-up doll there for the sole purpose of appearances and to do the bidding of the cray-crays that have infested his House.
    Si la vi Boo-Hoo, have another drink. This Tea Party is just getting going.

    October 1, 2013 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  23. Jeff

    This time around, of the approximately 3.4 million federal employees, an estimated 821,000 workers will be furloughed without pay, according to a CNN analysis of federal agency shutdown plans. What the CNN analysis leaves off, all the contractors that were told to go home today too! Hello!

    October 1, 2013 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  24. Sniffit

    "How can the shutdown be the republicans fault when they have repeatedly put forth a budget, even what the president wants for the budget"

    The GOP has never passed a budget that had "what the president wants" in it. NEVER.

    " and Obummer WONT negotiate ANY of the bills the House puts out"

    Because we don't negotiate with terrorists. The act of setting precedent that one party with control of one half of one of the three branches of gov't can force everyone else to negotiate under threat of "we'll; shoot the hostage" needs to stop. Funding the gov't and increasing the debt ceiling to pay for spending and borrowing THAT ALREADY OCCURRED should never be treated as things that can be held hostage to force concessions out of the other party. NEVER.

    "anf Harry Reid WONT even open the House bill in the senate!"

    The Senate voted directly on the House bill, followed all procedures to do so and it resulted in the bill not passing as written, getting amended, then passing and being returned to the House, which is all how it is supposed to work. The House GOP/Teatrolls now refuse to vote on the amended legislation because it's not what they want.

    October 1, 2013 03:34 pm at 3:34 pm |
  25. Jeff

    Let us not forget during this shutdown, Yes, checks will keep coming to the 533 current members of Congress. Why? The 27th Amendment prevents any Congress from changing its own pay. This was as a political disguise, so they can claim it’s not their fault they are getting paid. This also includes automatic pay raises too.

    The president too will get paid. His salary - $400,000 - is considered mandatory spending.

    October 1, 2013 03:36 pm at 3:36 pm |
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