September 30th, 2013
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Live: Federal government shutdown begins

– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
- See how shutdown could affect you; and see what will be closed; what will be open.
- Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
- President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
- Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
- Updates below; also, check out our full story.


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  1. sly

    Ironic: Affordable Health Care is up and running, and the TeaBillies shut down government.

    Let's see, how many bills have the Tea Billies passed in the last 8 years? ZERO.

    I wonder who is going to win here – Americans, or Tea Billies. (I think the odds are about 100-1, so an easy bet).

    October 1, 2013 03:38 pm at 3:38 pm |
  2. tom l

    @The Real TP
    "Tom, with all respect, the infrrastructure that business depends on is publically owned, ergo, they are dependent upon teh government. Private business has always been dependent upon the government: who do you think mints the coins and prints the money?"

    Are you really going with the "you didn't build that!" line? Come on. :) Corporations pay taxes. And, with all due respect to Sniffit, he has absolutley, positively, 100% said that the govt is just like a big business because they are a large employer. He has said it. But what he continues to say which is patently false is the tiny teeny $95 fine. It's not $95. It's $95 or 1% of household income. Plus, in 2016, it is $695 or 2.5% of household income. That's not a small fine. That's a substantial fine. Not sure why he continues to mislead everyone on that fact.

    October 1, 2013 03:41 pm at 3:41 pm |
  3. susan

    No one in Congress or the Senate should be getting paid during this shutdown. It is time for Congress to think about the well being of American citizens and the country instead of trying to dismantle our President. The likes of Boehner, Cruz and their conservative compatriots should be ashamed of themselves. Since Jan 20,2009 the entire agenda of the Republican party and the Tea party has been do stop Pres. Obama in his tracks with no consideration for the American public. Not one of them are deemed responsible enough to be part of the leadership of the US. If this shutdown does not end before the end of this week, we Americans should consider holding back on paying taxes. It is the only means of strength we have right now. We can not wait until midterm elections to see changes in Congress

    October 1, 2013 03:42 pm at 3:42 pm |
  4. FLIndy

    @vavoter – "So said to see just anoter stump speach from the president at a time when we need actual leader ship. SO many lies it's not even funny. He actually said the american public had a chance to vote on the affordable health care act....really?? when did this happen."
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    Maybe this is what's wrong with you Tea Party types, you take everything literally and can't read between the lines – He MEANT his signature legislation is the Affordable Care Act (what your side calls Obamacare) and if the American people didn't want it they would have voted for Romney in the last election. You get it now??

    October 1, 2013 03:42 pm at 3:42 pm |
  5. Sniffit

    "so they can claim it’s not their fault they are getting paid."

    No, it's so the majority in Congress cannot use their majority to change congressional pay as a means of coercing or punishing the minority into submission.

    October 1, 2013 03:42 pm at 3:42 pm |
  6. just saying

    The Real Tom Paine
    -Fair is Fair
    Dennis
    Currently The Affordable Health Care Act is the law. Not paying for it is not an option.
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    It would not be without precedent. GWB signed into law the construction of the border fence in San Diego and it was funded by congress. When dems took control, they defunded it.
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    That's not even remotely comparable, and you know it. Pretty weak example, Fair.
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    yeah, yeah, yeah.... we know. the only compisons that count or are correct are the ones the looney left throws out. we hear you. everything else can just be dismissed out of hand, ignored. this is the way the looney left operates and maintains their nutty little bubble world.

    October 1, 2013 03:43 pm at 3:43 pm |
  7. susan

    I meant to say since Jan 21, 2009

    October 1, 2013 03:43 pm at 3:43 pm |
  8. Lynda/Minnesota

    "The big question is whether any of this will make a difference come November 2014, when the entire House and one-third of the Senate are up for grabs."

    I for one will not be losing sleep worrying over who wins this battle. What I will do is what I have always done. That is to say I've walked to my polling booth and voted. I suspect one side is going to very upset election night 2014. Much in the same way that side was very upset election night 2012. And for many of the same reasons that side lost in 2012.

    Mr. Preibus' rebranding effort isn't going too well for GOPers. Not that I expected it would.

    October 1, 2013 03:43 pm at 3:43 pm |
  9. Sniffit

    ""I shouldn't have to offer anything!" Those are Obama's words – he is president of this country – what kind of a leader speaks that way? "

    A good one who recognizes that some things should be off limits and should never be treated as bargaining chips: funding the gov't and the debt ceiling are tow of 'em.

    October 1, 2013 03:45 pm at 3:45 pm |
  10. tom l

    @Sniffit the Corporatist
    "Because we don't negotiate with terrorists"

    We certainly do. What about Asaad?

    I think it's sad that you refer to your fellow Americans as terrorists. I'd love for you to talk to Tom Cotton, who served in Iraq and is a repub congressman. I think it's pretty darn offensive that you callously throw that term around. Really disgusting.

    October 1, 2013 03:45 pm at 3:45 pm |
  11. tom l

    @Sniffit the Corporatist
    "The Senate voted directly on the House bill, followed all procedures to do so and it resulted in the bill not passing as written, getting amended, then passing and being returned to the House, which is all how it is supposed to work. The House GOP/Teatrolls now refuse to vote on the amended legislation because it's not what they want."

    I actually agree with you on this. It is frustrating when they won't vote on something. Kinda like when Reid was doing this during election time. Remember?

    October 1, 2013 03:46 pm at 3:46 pm |
  12. Donna

    Sniffit
    " and Obummer WONT negotiate ANY of the bills the House puts out"
    Because we don't negotiate with terrorists.
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    The terrorists are the Democrats and Obama who are trying to force Obamacare down the throats of the American people. A majority of Americans don't want it and it is not in their best healthcare or financial interest. But the terrorist Obama and Democrats are willing to shut down government to jam in down our throats yet again.

    Wake up America. The Democrats are the terrorists here. And they are not done shoving things down your throat if you leave them in office.

    October 1, 2013 03:47 pm at 3:47 pm |
  13. Sniffit

    Sniffit, he has absolutley, positively, 100% said that the govt is just like a big business because they are a large employer. "

    No I haven't. Pointing out that the gov't is a large employer is not the same thing as saying that the gov't is no different than a large private corporate that employs hundreds of people. You're fabricating and once again purposefully mischaracterizing what I've said to give yourself something to argue against.

    "But what he continues to say which is patently false is the tiny teeny $95 fine. It's not $95. It's $95 or 1% of household income. Plus, in 2016, it is $695 or 2.5% of household income. That's not a small fine. That's a substantial fine. Not sure why he continues to mislead everyone on that fact."

    No, I acknowledged the remaining parts of the penalty structure multiple times. You're deliberately ignoring them. You're also ignoring the point that I made that even with those additional parts of the penalty structure, the penalties still do not surpass the cost of the premiums, which renders your argument that it's coercion completely ridiculous.

    October 1, 2013 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  14. Sniffit

    And BTW, I don't "continue to say" it is a "tiny teeny $95 fine." I said "$95" ONCE in this thread. ONCE. You're a freekin liar.

    October 1, 2013 03:51 pm at 3:51 pm |
  15. truth hurts but reality bites

    OK America. Do you know what Obama and the Democrats shut down the government for? Two PUNY little items. A simple DELAY of the individual mandate and the removal of the special treatment for congressional staffers. For those TWO PUNY LITTLE THINGS the Democrats have shut down the government.

    Hey, all you furloughed people out there. How do you like sacrificing to protect these two PUNY LITTLE THINGS. Those are more important to Obama, Red and the Democrats than YOUR JOB!

    October 1, 2013 03:51 pm at 3:51 pm |
  16. L.Sanfod

    So the Chamber of Commerce and there kind are coming to realize that the GOP/TEA is not their cup of tea. It's about time. Furthermore ,how dare these GOP/TEA congress persons take a paycheck. They vote to destroy the incomes of other people, other businesses and then sit back ,smiling ,and take their own salary. What the hell is going on? They and especially the very "afraid of the TEA " Boehner are the least essential people in this country.

    October 1, 2013 03:55 pm at 3:55 pm |
  17. Wake up People!

    Don't worry Susan. We heard you loud and clear! And many, many of us agree with you!

    October 1, 2013 03:57 pm at 3:57 pm |
  18. Rudy NYC

    rently The Affordable Health Care Act is the law. Not paying for it is not an option.
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    It would not be without precedent. GWB signed into law the construction of the border fence in San Diego and it was funded by congress. When dems took control, they defunded it.
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    I see that you have obviously chosen to be obtruse by ignoring the fundamental difference between discretionary spending, which the House directly controls, and legislated spending, which the House does not control.

    October 1, 2013 03:58 pm at 3:58 pm |
  19. Jeff

    ".....Shutdowns are a lousy way to run a government. Just for starters, this one has cut off services to women and children in need, furloughed hundreds of thousands, further shaken the confidence of the public, sent a shudder through the financial world and created new storm clouds over the economy. And once again the world is wondering about our capacity for leadership.

    But all of this damage pales in comparison with the danger posed by a second, lurking threat: a default on our public finances.

    The United States has had 17 government shutdowns since 1977 and has generally recovered well. But we have never had a default. Experts, while not fully certain, are convinced that it could be hugely destructive - even leading to a worldwide financial meltdown. Unless Congress and the White House get their act together, we could default in less than three weeks...". ~ http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/opinion/gergen-shutdown/index.html?hpt=op_t1

    October 1, 2013 03:59 pm at 3:59 pm |
  20. Wow

    It is amusing to listen to Democrats whine about their precious bureaucracy not being open. They act like a spoiled twelve year old child at the mall whose parents no longer allows the little brat to use their credit card.

    October 1, 2013 04:00 pm at 4:00 pm |
  21. Sniffit

    "I think it's sad that you refer to your fellow Americans as terrorists."

    I think it's sad, dusting and reprehensible that they justify it with their behavior.

    October 1, 2013 04:00 pm at 4:00 pm |
  22. rs

    tom l

    @Sniffit the Corporatist
    "Because we don't negotiate with terrorists"

    We certainly do. What about Asaad?
    ______________________
    We have dealt with the Russians, not Assad.

    October 1, 2013 04:00 pm at 4:00 pm |
  23. rs

    I think it's sad that you refer to your fellow Americans as terrorists.
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    I think it's sad the GOP has reduced itself to taking hostages in a feeble attempt to get its way- 4 years too late.

    October 1, 2013 04:02 pm at 4:02 pm |
  24. ThinkAgain

    @tom l: "@Sniffit the Corporatist
    "Because we don't negotiate with terrorists"

    We certainly do. What about Asaad?

    I think it's sad that you refer to your fellow Americans as terrorists. I'd love for you to talk to Tom Cotton, who served in Iraq and is a repub congressman. I think it's pretty darn offensive that you callously throw that term around. Really disgusting.
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    Tom Cotton served in Iraq – and just like John McCain, his service record doesn't mean he's right all the time. Cotton is against Obamacare – and he is WRONG. He is also wrong to join extortionists in the House who are jerking our country around because they can't handle the FACT that repubs LOST to President Obama and his healthcare reform TWICE.

    October 1, 2013 04:03 pm at 4:03 pm |
  25. andrea moore

    A Simple Delay of a Mandate = STOPPING AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE! The democrats are finally having some backbone and not being bullied by a bunch of out of touch Tea Party racist that are fighting to protect their own selfish views. They are not for America, they are for THEMSELVES.

    October 1, 2013 04:04 pm at 4:04 pm |
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