September 30th, 2013
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Live: Federal government shutdown begins

– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
- See how shutdown could affect you; and see what will be closed; what will be open.
- Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
- President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
- Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
- Updates below; also, check out our full story.


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  1. rs

    OK America. Do you know what Obama and the Democrats shut down the government for? Two PUNY little items. A simple DELAY of the individual mandate and the removal of the special treatment for congressional staffers. For those TWO PUNY LITTLE THINGS the Democrats have shut down the government.
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    Delusion in action. 2010 the Republicans said they would shut down the government. Last night they did. The ACA is their excuse, not their reason.

    October 1, 2013 04:04 pm at 4:04 pm |
  2. The Real Tom Paine

    -tom l

    @The Real TP
    "Tom, with all respect, the infrrastructure that business depends on is publically owned, ergo, they are dependent upon teh government. Private business has always been dependent upon the government: who do you think mints the coins and prints the money?"

    Are you really going with the "you didn't build that!" line? Come on. Corporations pay taxes. And, with all due respect to Sniffit, he has absolutley, positively, 100% said that the govt is just like a big business because they are a large employer. He has said it. But what he continues to say which is patently false is the tiny teeny $95 fine. It's not $95. It's $95 or 1% of household income. Plus, in 2016, it is $695 or 2.5% of household income. That's not a small fine. That's a substantial fine. Not sure why he continues to mislead everyone on that fact.
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    No, you are going with that line. Its a hard, cold fact that publically funded infrastructure built this country into what it is. Trucks on federal highways took over from trains decades ago, to just use one example. If you can't acknowlege that simple fact, then all you doing is acting as a shill for the GOP, despite your claims to independence. As far as corporations paying taxes, they pay far less they did years ago, or are you just going to go with with the " corporations are people, too" line? As far as your ongoing pi$$ing match with Sniffit, you can keep trying. I, for one, and enjoying the entertainment, but please don't diminish yourself by lapsing into rightie speak by saying that I feel that companies don't build or create things. To ignore the government's role in bringing things to market is to be, well, ignorant, despite the fantasy of rugged individualism the Koch Brothers like to spread ( especially since they did not build that company, their father did).. The relationship between government and industry is not as adversarial as you think it is, since the government is often the biggest customer for private industry, and private industry does not create, build and maintain infrastructure in this country: they depend on it.

    October 1, 2013 04:05 pm at 4:05 pm |
  3. ThinkAgain

    @truth hurts but reality bites: Delaying Obamacare for a year is "puny"? And the "special treatment" for Congressional staffers is a LIE. Although they will be required to enroll in health plans offered within the new health-insurance exchanges established under the law, members of Congress and their staffs will not receive extra financial help to pay for their medical care.

    Members of Congress and their staffs can continue to receive employer contributions to cover part of their premium costs. But that’s not special treatment: Today, most large employers do the same

    Perhaps if you were employed you'd know this ...

    October 1, 2013 04:06 pm at 4:06 pm |
  4. Sniffit

    "Two PUNY little items. A simple DELAY of the individual mandate"

    Delay which would undermine the entire ACA because that is the single most important lynchpin provision in the entire ACA. It's a non-starter and the GOP/Teatrolls know it. The analogy with the employer mandate is completely devoid of merit and they are simply seeknig to break the ACA so they can then claim "see...told you so...it's broken."

    "and the removal of the special treatment for congressional staffers."

    Congressional staffers get ZERO special treatment. The only "special treatment" involved here was Grassley's amendment that made them the only employees of a large employer in the country whose large employer was not mandated to provide them health insurance AND made them the only employees who wouldn't be receiving employer-provided health insurance that could not apply for the subsidy. They are now being treated like everyone else. Moreover, it's already public knowledge that while Boehner was yammering your "exemption" misrepresentation and passing House bills that attempted to treat congressional staffers unfairly, he was secretly arranging with Obama and Reid to keep congressional staffers insured by the gov't. Even he knew that the talking points are lies.

    October 1, 2013 04:07 pm at 4:07 pm |
  5. The Real Tom Paine

    -just saying

    The Real Tom Paine
    -Fair is Fair
    Dennis
    Currently The Affordable Health Care Act is the law. Not paying for it is not an option.

    It would not be without precedent. GWB signed into law the construction of the border fence in San Diego and it was funded by congress. When dems took control, they defunded it.
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    That's not even remotely comparable, and you know it. Pretty weak example, Fair.
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    yeah, yeah, yeah.... we know. the only compisons that count or are correct are the ones the looney left throws out. we hear you. everything else can just be dismissed out of hand, ignored. this is the way the looney left operates and maintains their nutty little bubble world.
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    Fair actually is willing to submit something for people to review; when was the last time you ventured outside of your little bomb shelter to put forth a thought that was not an insult, or are you worried a welfare dependent might rob you if you peek outside? We all know most conservatives are conditioned not to think, only to hate what they cannot intimidate.

    October 1, 2013 04:09 pm at 4:09 pm |
  6. Wilson

    @Ann

    Are you aware that the Democrats voted themselves yet ANOTHER exemption to laws by providing themselves a subsidy for health care benefits????? I don't get one – YOU don't get one. As a nation, we have to stop spending more than we take in – however that happens. The Democrats and Obama have refused to work side-by-side with Republicans – it's his way or the highway. This is the result. And Obama is on TV now telling the nation that it's the Republicans that caused it. Noooooo, not how I see it.
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    Not how all thinking, intelligent people see it either.

    October 1, 2013 04:10 pm at 4:10 pm |
  7. kayla

    OBAMACARE. is the law of the land. are you people freaking idiot or what? Obama won the election.if the voters voted for him instead of the fools robmey and eddie munster then that is what we voted for. get it?

    October 1, 2013 04:12 pm at 4:12 pm |
  8. FLIndy

    @Matt -Ok so I see all the Dems are happy being sheep within their party. The Republicans are doing what they were voted into office to do. That being vote the way their base wants them to vote. They were voted into office to be the voice of the people and that is what they are doing.
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    Actually the Dems got more votes for the House in this last election but due to gerrymandering and redistricting your Repubs/Tea Parties once again stole the election. Face it, that is the ONLY way they can win like in 2000 & 2004. The American people will blame your party for the shutdown just as they did in 1997 – history repeats itself.

    October 1, 2013 04:12 pm at 4:12 pm |
  9. Data Driven

    @just saying,

    You accuse the Left of living in a "nutty little bubble world", but why is it that the majority of conservatives on this site seem to think that Congress "failed to pass a budget" last night? Many conservatives literally don't even know what they're talking about.

    Raise your hands, conservatives! Which ones know what we're talking about when we talk about a "CR"? If you don't know, use this opportunity to learn. That way, you won't continue to persist in error and otherwise be confused.

    October 1, 2013 04:14 pm at 4:14 pm |
  10. Rudy NYC

    tom l. wrote:

    I actually agree with you on this. It is frustrating when they won't vote on something. Kinda like when Reid was doing this during election time. Remember?
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    It's called not wasting $1.5 million dollars on a vote that you know is not going to pass.

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    tom l. wrote:

    "Because we don't negotiate with terrorists"

    We certainly do. What about Asaad?
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    We certainly do not. The Russians are negotiating with Assad. We struck a deal with the Russians.

    "Nice try, but we pulled a double play."

    October 1, 2013 04:15 pm at 4:15 pm |
  11. Winston Smith

    Republicans, are toast come 2014. They caused it. They have no leadership. They are modern day pirates, hell bent on making the rich richer, and the working class, second class. Look at statistics. Republican led states, the poorest. The wealthy have widened the gap between themselves and the rest of the population. They did this with the political help of the republican party.

    October 1, 2013 04:17 pm at 4:17 pm |
  12. don in albuquerque

    This is a GOTP administered and orchestrated shutdown that they have now threatened more then once. I am certain there will be more and more come out as the days (and weeks) pass. The GOTP at the Tea Party and the Koch Bros. behest have attempted to do everything they could to hurt this government since the POTUS took office. They will never be able to shake that no matter how many lies they tell.

    October 1, 2013 04:21 pm at 4:21 pm |
  13. SomeOneElse

    Talk about a political blow horn, the above blog is propaganda in the worst of form.

    October 1, 2013 04:36 pm at 4:36 pm |
  14. Gurgyl

    THIS HEALTHCARE IS THE "LAW OF THE LAND". I.e, Lex Loci. Period. GOP animals better get this.

    October 1, 2013 04:36 pm at 4:36 pm |
  15. Sniffit

    LOL! Faux News is calling it a "government SLIMdown" and arguing that "it's nothing more than 800,000 employees we don't need getting told to go home."

    Sociopaths.

    October 1, 2013 04:40 pm at 4:40 pm |
  16. sly

    Affordable Health Care is the law of the land.
    Education is still public.
    Roe v. Wade legalized abortion.
    Bill Clinton was not removed from office via impeachment.
    Barack Obama beat John McCain and Mitt Romney to become President.
    WWII ended in 1945.

    Come on Republicans ... wake up and smell the roses. We have work to do in America, so stop trying to undo the past.

    October 1, 2013 04:44 pm at 4:44 pm |
  17. just saying

    Winston Smith
    Republicans, are toast come 2014.
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    when millions of americans see how many thousands and thousands of dollars more they will be paying for healthcare, the democrats can kiss their seats good bye. and those nine red state democrat senators? well they all beter start looking for jobs now. all going down for sure and then we will be rid of do nothing harry reid. obama will be all by his lonesome with the one person he loves, himself.

    October 1, 2013 04:49 pm at 4:49 pm |
  18. just asking

    Sniffit
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    LOL! Faux News is calling it a "government SLIMdown" and arguing that "it's nothing more than 800,000 employees we don't need getting told to go home."
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    Sociopaths.
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    it appears the looney left doesn't understand the meaning of the term non-essential government workers. heck they could get rid of another 800,000 and nobody would know the difference. then the remainder might actually be required to perform their job like people employed in the private sector.

    October 1, 2013 04:53 pm at 4:53 pm |
  19. CA Independent

    "The GOP has never passed a budget that had "what the president wants" in it. NEVER."

    - This one took me several minutes to stop laughing! The defense of Obama has really devolved here.

    October 1, 2013 04:54 pm at 4:54 pm |
  20. Just the Facts

    Just a friendly reminder to all those who assert that their views on the Affordable Care Act are supported by "more" or "most" Americans. The Affordable Care Act was definitely a key issue posed to the electorate at the time of the 2012 elections (with Democrats (including Obama) largely running on a platform of support for the Affordable Care Act, and Republicans largely running on a platform of repeal of the Affordable Care Act – actually I seem to recall it was more of a "repeal and replace" platform, but I guess the second half of the platform has apparently disappeared). According to official results published by the Clerk of the House of Representatives on Feb 23, 2013:

    Total Votes Cast for President Obama in 2012 Election – 65,752,017
    Total Votes Cast for All Republican House of Representative Candidates (Winners and Losers) in 2012 Election – 57,622,827
    Total Votes Cast for All Democrat House of Representative Candidates (Winners and Losers) in 2012 Election – 59,214,910

    Admittedly, a comparison of President Obama's vote total to the total for Republican House candidates is a little misleading since some voters only vote in the presidential race and leave the vote on the House candidate blank. Thus, we also included the total vote count for Democrat House candidates in the above as well.

    So, just the facts – Obama received dramatically more votes in the 2012 election than all of the Republican House candidates combined. Also, Democrat House candidates collectively received more votes in the 2012 election than the Republican House candidates.

    Conclusions – So, are the Republican House members being honest when they allege that "most" or the "majority" of Americans support them in this fight? Well, I'll leave that up to you.

    October 1, 2013 04:55 pm at 4:55 pm |
  21. rs

    Let's just suppose for one very brief moment Mr. Reid, or even Mr. Obama felt like folding and negotiating with the GOP. Who would they call? Who would they work through? Mr. Boehner has seemingly given up doing anything without 100% approval of his membership, and besides, every deal made with him went south; The amorphous TEA Party? They can't keep a position long enough to think it through; Mr. Cruz? He seems to have the most sway with the rabble, too bad he's in the Senate where apparently he's on the outs with the adults. Priebus? Haven't seen him in weeks (since the last "makeover" of the GOP). Maybe the Koch Borthers?

    Look guys, the GOP is burning, and no one is in charge- which is why your party elected to turn their backs on paying for stuff they previously agreed to, and so they just shut down the government.

    Go ahead, say its really those nasty Democrats, or that "socialist" Obama- I hope it makes you all feel better because the next election might just be a bit rude for you.

    October 1, 2013 04:58 pm at 4:58 pm |
  22. Marcus (from...?)

    Here's a question about the bills that the Senate and the House were talking about last night.
    One group of them were valid for the whole year.
    The other would last for a month if that much.
    One group had an attachement that was unnegotiable.
    The other group had no such attachements (or any at all).
    One gave smiles and thumbs up to those who supported them.
    The other was treated like business as (un)usual by those who supported them.

    Now here's the question:
    Which group of bills will be the one used most efficiently by those who opposed it in the 2014 elections, and why?

    PS: I've added the (from...?) to distinguish myself from another 'Marcus' that has been posting in these 'Tickers'.

    October 1, 2013 04:58 pm at 4:58 pm |
  23. just asking

    FLIndy
    @Matt -Ok so I see all the Dems are happy being sheep within their party. The Republicans are doing what they were voted into office to do. That being vote the way their base wants them to vote. They were voted into office to be the voice of the people and that is what they are doing.
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    Actually the Dems got more votes for the House in this last election but due to gerrymandering and redistricting your Repubs/Tea Parties once again stole the election. Face it, that is the ONLY way they can win like in 2000 & 2004.
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    the lunacy the left embraces is beyond belief. always excuses, excuses, excuses when the american people reject them and throw them out of office. obamacare is why a record number lost in 2010 and many will again go in 2014 because of obamacare. it will be biblical.

    The American people will blame your party for the shutdown just as they did in 1997 – history repeats itself.
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    nope. democrats living in the past as usual. this is about americans healthcare system, their families well being and it is downright personal. democrats have mucked with the wrong thing and hurt peoples' healthcare, their wallet and their jobs. democrats will pay dearly in 2014 and 2016. the obamacare train wreck is just starting. it will wreck the democrats as well as our economy, jobs and healthcare system.

    October 1, 2013 04:59 pm at 4:59 pm |
  24. Sniffit

    "The relationship between government and industry is not as adversarial as you think it is,"

    Indeed, TP. In fact, one might argue that the most appropriate word to use is "symbiotic."

    October 1, 2013 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
  25. Marcus (from...?)

    Sniffit, you made me look into their website for the first time since the POTUS re-election!

    October 1, 2013 05:05 pm at 5:05 pm |
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