– The U.S. government shutdown went into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday after lawmakers in the House and the Senate could not agree on a spending bill to fund the government.
- See how shutdown could affect you; and see what will be closed; what will be open.
- Senate on Tuesday morning rejected another GOP measure that would have altered Obamacare, and a House GOP request to negotiate differences.
- President Barack Obama: Shutdown is the "height of irresponsibility." | Transcript
- Congress managed to pass a bill that would allow members of the military to continue receiving pay during shutdown.
- Updates below; also, check out our full story.
I think people should be educated why there are campaigns, debates, election (at the presidential level) and what that person who is elected must do/implement. Once all these are clear in many heads, there won't be even a minute to discuss about ACA "Obamacare".
Fair is Fair wrote:
Those are NOT deductions. They're dollar-for-dollar tax credits... REFUNDABLE tax credits to boot. Which means that not only to people who claim them not pay federal income tax, they get a check.
Yeah, it's part of that "work for welfare" reform packages that the Gingrich House passed as part of his "Contract With America."
Earned income credit been around since 1975. Care to try again?
"Nice try, but you got nothing"
From an unbiased view:
Obama is making bush and clinton look good by comparison.
9 hours to shutdown. In another 4 or 5 hours Congress will start to get serious.
@ PD Sniffit the Corporatist
"The Senate has voted on it and passed it. It is now the House's turn. If the House GOP/Teatrolls refuse to allow even a vote on a the clean funding bill, then the shutdown is on them. Their desperate need to assert control over everything in the House and follow the obscene and ridiculous Hastert Rule, preventing a majority of the House to pass something just because it would likely get every (or almost every) Dems' votes, is GOP/Teatroll brain damage and nobody else's."
The House has voted on it and passed it. It is now the Senate's turn. If the Senate dems refuse to allow even a vote on a the clean funding bill, then the shutdown is on them. Their desperate need to assert control over everything in the Senate and follow the obscene and ridiculous non-negotiating left, preventing a majority of the Senate to pass something just because it would likely get every (or almost every) Repubs' votes, is the dems' brain damage and nobody else's.
Congrats on reaching new lows today. So you're telling me that there is a faction of repubs that don't want to pass a funding bill so that President Obama will not have secret service protection. Wow. Impressive. The fact that you actually thought that says it all. Beyond nonsense. And to think that you are an intelligent, educated woman. What a vile and disgusting thought.
"The House has voted on it and passed it. It is now the Senate's turn. If the Senate dems refuse to allow even a vote on a the clean funding bill, then the shutdown is on them. Their desperate need to assert control over everything in the Senate and follow the obscene and ridiculous non-negotiating left, preventing a majority of the Senate to pass something just because it would likely get every (or almost every) Repubs' votes, is the dems' brain damage and nobody else's.
Except that ignores two very important things: (1) congressional procedures and (2) what the House passed cannot pass the Senate (as shown by it not doing so), whereas what the Senate passed would pass in the House. The latter distinction, in particular, makes all the difference. But that's ok...you keep on pretending that the House gets to dictate to the Senate by holding the gov't hostage and refusing to vote on a funding bill that would pass the House...if living in an ideological cartoon fairy tale helps you sleep at night, then by all means, live in one. Oh, and if calling me names helps too, then so be it....it really doesn't bother me that your cartoon takes place on a playground.
Congress' approval rating should be at -10%.
God save America from the TEA party hostage.
Earned income credit been around since 1975. Care to try again?
"Nice try, but you got nothing"
The Gingrich House *increased* EICs to motivate people to get off Welfare and work.
Someone had run the numbers and realized that working for minimum wage 40 hours per week actually paid less than sitting at home and collecting welfare. So, the Republicans made it more profitable to work at minimum wage than to not work and collect welfare checks.
"Nice try, but we gotcha again."
" If the Senate dems refuse to allow even a vote on a the clean funding bill"
And BTW, the House never passed a "clean" funding bill. No even remotely, so your latest attempt at "turnabout" to create a "gotcha" simply doesn't work anyway.
"The House has voted on it and passed it. It is now the Senate's turn. "
The senate did vote on what the House passed and it was not passed...rather, it was amended and passed after amendment, which is part of the legitimate power and procedures in the Senate. Man, your gotcha attempts are just so broken, I keep noticing a new problem with them after pointing out the last one.
Puppets for the Koch brothers, plain and simple.your a damn fool if you think the gop does ANYTHING to help the working class, anything name something they do for the people? Crickets
Are any of you out there spouting off a Federal Government worker? There are alot of us who are just as hardworking as everyone of you and we are struggling with the reality that it is looking more and more like we are going to be out of work for however long it takes these jokers to learn to work together and actually do the job they were elected to do, which is run the country. Last time I checked, they are supposed to be working for US, the people of this country, not working towards their own agendas. So for Tommy G who thinks it makes no difference if the Government shuts down, he should think again and stop being so ignorant. There will be people who can't pay their bills, and I mean the people that aren't on any assistance but those of us that actually work for a living. Obamacare needs to be a seperate issue, not a bargaining chip in this fiasco.
1. The House did not pass a "clean" bill.
2. The House bill would not pass the Senate, did not pass the Senate, was amended to remove the "dirty" part and become a "clean" bill and THEN passed the Senate.
3. The amended legislation passed by the Senate would pass in the House. The same cannot be said, as already noted, about the bill House passed...it wouldn't pass in t he Senate because, well, you know, it didn't.
4. I suspect you don't really understand the procedures here. I also suspect you have a very incorrect sense of what would pass in the Senate. Because of the procedural order, chronologically speaking, the ball is in the House GOP/Teatrolls' hands. Rail against it all you like, but the GOP/Teatrolls in the House have 3 choices: (a) allow a vote on the clean bill and watch it get passed with a massive bipartisan vote; (b) allow the clean bill to be voted on and try to organize every single GOPer/Teatrolls to vote against it; or (c) don't allow the clean bill to be voted on. The latter 2 choices result in them being blamed, rightfully, for the shutdown. The first one results in them eating crow and the RWNJs cannibalizing Boehner next week.
If I understand it correctly “you will not be impacted by the shutdown” so you could care less about a significant portion of Americans and others who will be. As one of the “Government employees directly impacted” by the inability of our Nations leaders to work together, I find your tone as well as your comments insulting. Most of us who work – or have worked – for the Government do so out of a commitment to do a job well and take pride in what we do. That is certainly true for those of us in the Defense Department. While the immediate impact of the shutdown may not be felt by you or perhaps even most Americans, there will be a rippling affect and if this goes on too long and the debt ceiling is not addressed – than Tommy G, even you will see the impact.
"Who cares if the government shuts down? Not me. Then again I'm not a government dependent."
I am not a government dependent either, but I know I already lost several thousand dollars of my 401k due to a market drop caused by this hysteria. Make no question about it, both parties have a hand in this issue, but it is the Tea Party Rethuglicans that will bear the brunt of the blame. Anyone who does not understand that governing involves compromise should not be there.
too bad about the 401k. you should have moved the money to a market fund when this was going to happen. yoiu need to watch and manage your investments more closely. but don't worry, the market is due for a major correction as the fed pumps $80 billion a month into the economy and most of it ends up driving stock prices higher. the gravy train there must end sooner or later. be prepared.
and on compromise... where have the democrats and obama compromised? nowhere. obama can not dictate. he is supposed to be a leader, but he is not. he's a partisan political hack. he never learned how to be a leader.
I hope everyone who voted for the TGOP is financially hurt.
What has the House Voted on? Another non-starter for the Senate and the WH. The act of legislating means that there is compromise, a concept which was lost when Boehner the Jellyfish caved to the wackadoodle fringe in the House and presented a Bill that had no chance of passing. Since he has always lacked the requisite skills to discilpline the backbenchers in his own party, he caved and presented a bill that he knew would never be voted on and he knew would result in his aprty being labelled as obstructionist. Anyone with any sense of how legislation is actually passed knows that this was DOA, but somehow the GOP thinks this pile of manure they've thrown onto the public is going to result in something growing that will appeal to a majority of the public. Why waste time sending a clean bill to a Chamber that is hell-bent on wrecking the country because they dislike the ACA? Why waste the effort? Boehner will never be allowed to actually run the chamber because he is too frightened of losing the Speakership to Eric Cantor, so we end up with a rudderless House that will not discharge its basic responsibilities. As far as " rediculous and non-negotiating left" is concerned, you don't debate and work with crazy ideologues who care more about principle than country.
"I don't often talk to Obama supporters, but when I do, I order a large fries."
Funniest and most accurate thing I've read today!
At least the Obama supporters work. Besides, the faster the GOP dies off, the better. Keep shoveling those fries!
"Earned income credit been around since 1975. Care to try again?"
To be fair, the initial version was very moderate and it was Reagan's Tax Reform Act in 1986 that massively expanded it, which is probably what Rudy was thinking of...and is certainly why the EIC is frequently attributed to the GOP and Reagan.
This playing with our fragile economy is hurting what's left of the middle class! Republicans are hurting our economy by trying to extort the Democrats on the Affordable Health Care Act! Republicans don't like the Affordable Healthcare Act and have been lying about it for quite some time. It's been passed into Law, reviewed by the Supreme Court, voted on by the people and is Law. When is a law a law? When is enough, enough? My 401K is paying the price of the Republicans trying to play politics and to shut down the government. With a fragile economy this is nothing less than wreckless and hurts those who cannot afford to be the 1% Republican! This is a Republican created issue regarding the government shut down and nobody else's. It's not right nor is it ethical to continue to try to extort all legislation and activity of the government with trying to strike down one law because you don't like it! Move on and stop hurting my nation!
Now Obama comes out to talk and decides to instruct Congress to work with one another WITHOUT pre-conceived notions or conditions!!! What a damn joke. He should have been working with Congress instead of campaigning and vilifying. What a joke. But then again, he's only a junior Senator
Nicely put Ron-IN.
I see Rudy and Sniffit along with rs consistently putting forth factual arguments to the continuous well-fed barrage of misinformation and outright lies from the "usual suspects".
It never ceases to amaze me that in an effort to stay "fair and balanced" cnn feels compelled to not only print half the story with its' accompanying sensationalized headline, but post the "usual suspects" blatant lies and spins that keep the fear and hatred going amongst the less informed and the willfully ignorant of their ilk.
It wouldn't be so bad if it were read only by those of us that know better, but there are people in this country and abroad that read their crap and walk away with an uninformed opinion and poor opinion of our country, our people, and our democracy. Let alone our intelligence.
Keep up the good fight Sniffit, Rudy, rs et al. You're needed and appreciated.
close it down and dems OWN obamacare. If delayed till next year during election time dems can again blame repubs. shut down gov. now, we will make it. Military will still be paid as well as S.S. medicare etc. the politicians can go home and nobody will miss them except the humor of watching them make Clowns out of each other!