CNN's GUT CHECK for October 8, 2013
October 8th, 2013
05:08 PM ET
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CNN's GUT CHECK for October 8, 2013

CNN's GUT CHECK | for October 8, 2013 | 5 p.m.
- n. a pause to assess the state, progress or condition of the political news cycle

GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN DAY 8

OBAMA: I’M SORRY: “We got to stop repeating this pattern,” President Barack Obama said about the debt ceiling at a weekly press conference. “I know the American people are tired of it. And it's all the American people. I apologize that you have to go through this stuff every three months. And Lord knows I'm tired of it."

BOEHNER: HISTORY SAYS LET’S TALK: “When it comes to the debt limit I agree with the president, we should pay our bills,” House Speaker John Boehner said in a response to Obama. “I didn't come here to shut down the government, I certainly didn’t come here to default on our debt. … But when it comes to the debt limit again, over the last 40 years, 27 times the debt limit has been used to force policy changes that would in fact reduce spending and put us on saner fiscal path.”

NO TALKS: A senior Republican source tells CNN’s Dana Bash that there are no talks going on at any level to resolve differences over the government shutdown and the debt ceiling deadline. House GOP sources are especially frustrated and angry with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid because they think he is a big driver of Obama's “no negotiate” strategy.

YET… THE VOTES TO OPEN GOVERNMENT ARE THERE: There appeared to be enough votes in the House on Tuesday to approve legislation to reopen the federal government, according to an ongoing CNN survey of House members. All 200 Democrats and 18 Republicans support passing a continuing resolution with no additional legislative strings attached that would reopen the federal government, which has been partially closed for a week over a bitter policy dispute between Republicans and Democrats on health care. With two vacancies in 435 member House, 217 votes are currently the minimum needed for the measure to win approval in the House. – Dan Merica

MARKET WATCH: Stocks tumble on ongoing debt ceiling worries. Nasdaq falls 2%. Dow loses 157 points. S&P sheds 1.2%.

TRAIL TRIVIA
(Answer below)
Gut Check loves baseball. Who is the only pitcher to throw a perfect game in the World Series? It happened on this day in 1956.

DAN (@DanMericaCNN)
What caught our eye today in politics

Overnight on Monday, the international impact on a government default became obvious when both China and Japan - who hold a combined $2.4 trillion in U.S. debt - implored the U.S. to avoid default.

"We ask that the United States earnestly take steps to resolve in a timely way the political issues around the debt ceiling and prevent a debt default," said Vice Finance Minister Zhu Guangyao in an official response. "This is the United States' responsibility."

A senior Japanese official echoed Guangyao. Speaking to the Financial Times, the official said that country's Ministry of Finance is "very worried," and cited the market turmoil and "chaos" brought on by the failed House vote to authorize bank bailout funds in 2008.

The United States Congress must raise the debt ceiling by October 17 or else the government will be largely unable to pay its bills.

CNN Money's Charles Riley in Hong Kong rounds up what the international impacts of a U.S. default could be - and it isn't pretty.

"Economists predict a default would do great harm to economies around the world," Riley wrote. "Investors would likely drop the dollar, an event that would stress other currencies. Equity markets would surely take a hit, and transactions pegged to the value of Treasuries would be difficult to execute."

the LEDE
Did you miss it?

Leading CNNPolitics: Shutdown day 8: What you need to know
The partial government shutdown is now in its eighth day. While some people aren't feeling the impact yet, effects are hitting communities across the country. Here's what you need to know. – Leigh Ann Caldwell

Leading Drudge: Congressional Gym Stays Open
Head Start programs have been shuttered, small businesses can’t get loans and hundreds of thousands of federal government employees are furloughed. But the exclusive gyms available only to members of Congress have remained open throughout the shutdown. – Judd Legum for Think Progress

Leading HuffPo: Flirting with Disaster
Forget the warnings of economists and the treasury secretary that a default of United States debt would be catastrophic. Senior Senate Republicans are flirting with the idea anyway, saying the nation can breach the fast-approaching debt ceiling without calamitous results. – Michael McAuliff

Leading Politico: Power play: Reid sidelined Biden
When President Barack Obama laid out his strategy for the current debt-limit fight in a private meeting with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid this past summer, Reid stipulated one condition: No Joe Biden. And while Biden attended the White House dog-and-pony show meeting last week with congressional leaders, Reid has effectively barred him from the backrooms, according to sources familiar with the situation. – Jonathan Allen and Carrie Budoff Brown

Leading The New York Times: A G.O.P. Moderate in the Middle ... of a Jam
Defying the party line, Representative Charlie Dent, Republican of Pennsylvania, is urging Speaker John A. Boehner to allow a vote on a budget bill without conditions. – Ashley Parker

HOT SOTS
The political bites of the day

– Talking past each other with no progress –
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER AT A PRESS CONFERENCE ON CAPITOL HILL: “Americans expect us to work out our differences but refusing to negotiate is an untenable position and frankly by refusing to negotiate Harry Reid and the President are putting our country on a pretty dangerous path. Listen, there's never been a president in our history that did not negotiate over the debt limit. Never. Not once.”
DEMOCRATIC REP. XAVIER BECERRA OF CALIFORNIA AT A PRESS CONFERENCE ON CAPITOL HILL: “Speaker Boehner you know you have the votes to pass a clean bill which you, yourself had agreed to put on the floor when you had negotiations with Majority Leader Harry Reid in the Senate. You backed away from that. How can we trust you if you're not willing to abide by your own negotiated agreement and when you treat with such cavalier attitude, the question of why you won't let America get back to work and have our government re-open?”

– With dysfunction in Washington, Jindal trumpets GOP governors –
REPUBLICAN GOV. BOBBY JINDAL OF LOUISIANA IN AN INTERVIEW WITH CNN: “Republican governors, we want to reclaim our brand from Washington, D.C. We think voters are just frustrated with the dysfunction. For too many years we've outsourced what it means to be a Republican. We defined that in Washington, D.C. The only place in this country you're seeing conservative principles being applied are in our state capitals.”

– The birther byproduct of shutdown –
CONAN O’BRIEN ON HIS LATE NIGHT COMEDY SHOW: “A new survey, found that 9% of Americans have considered giving up their U.S. citizenship because of the constant arguing in Washington. Not good. Today, even Obama was like, ‘Are you sure I wasn't born in Kenya? I never saw a birth certificate.’”

TOP TWEETS
What stopped us in 140 characters or less

Deirdre Walsh (@deirdrewalshcnn)
From @pcourson2 – at least 5 House Dems arrested at immigration demo outside Capitol-John Lewis, Al Green, Rangel, Schakowsky, Gutierrez

Mark Murray (@mmurraypolitics)
Another release in inbox: Rep. David Schweikert (R-AZ): "Anyone that uses the word 'default' is being horribly disingenuous..."

sgallman (@sgallman)
#CNN: Republicans drafting legislation that would restore death benefit payments to families of service members killed in action.

Leslie Bentz (@lbentzterp)
Stewart to Sebelius on health care law “Am I a stupid man?” http://on.cnn.com/19vXNmL @TheDailyShow #CNN

Rory Cooper (@rorycooper)
"I feel like you are favoring big business because they lobbied you...but you’re not allowing individuals that same courtesy." -Jon Stewart

Chris Savage (@Eclectablog)
Boehner wants something "that will put points on the board" during his #GOPshutdown. So much for "this is not some damn game"...

James Hohmann (@jameshohmann)
Built-in donor network: @MichelleNunnGA is Sam's son & knows lots of major donors from nonprofit work. http://goo.gl/gtxz2S

Mo Elleithee (@MoElleithee)
I'm impressed w/ @SenTedCruz. Not every freshman Sen has figured out how to be de facto House Speaker AND RNC Chair. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/7/cruz-control-inside-gops-great-divide-on-obamacare/

Jennifer Jacobs DMReg (@JenniferJJacobs)
Iowa's Chuck Grassley: “I’m working. Everybody that works gets paid for working.” Not all lawmakers are refusing pay. http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2013/10/not-all-lawmakers-are-standing-feds-refusing-pay/71468/?oref=skybox

Igor Bobic (@igorbobic)
Wolf Blitzer Presses GOPer To Explain Why Obamacare Will Destroy America http://bit.ly/1b8crhD

Joe Veix (@joeveix)
.@BuzzFeed stole my article, so I'm stealing it back: http://bit.ly/GJHarA

TRIVIA ANSWER from @DanMericaCNN

Don Larsen was a journey pitcher for much of his career – in 15 years in Major League Baseball, he pitched for eight different teams.

But what Larsen is most known for is being the only pitcher in baseball history to throw a perfect game during the World Series – no hits, no walks, no errors.

The New York Yankee’s Larsen made history in Game 5 of the 1956 World Series against the Brooklyn Dodgers. He needed only 97 pitches – a feat in itself – and stuck out the 27th and final batter of the game.

The everlasting image of the moment was Yogi Berra jumping into Larsen’s arms after the game.

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Congrats to Zach Ripps, a diehard fan of the Yankees and Gut Check – in that order.

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  1. The Ham

    Maybe they should just pass a budget?

    October 8, 2013 05:14 pm at 5:14 pm |
  2. lolo

    No he did not come to shut down the goverment just wallow in the perks and power. Bonehead and the teatrolls do not give a rats behind about the middle class or the U.S. Government. All they care about is how much they get paid from the lobbyist. I know the Democrats get paid also, but the republican KKK Klan just eats it up. I wonder how many drinks he has each night before going to bed? Cruz wants to be president, Cantor wants to be speaker and old McConnell just wants to keep getting the perks. It is definitely time for term limits on Congress period. I have never seen people hate so much as the GOP/TP Klan. (And they wonder why no one wants to be part of their KKK Klan .It is shameful and disgusting. Anyone who has a conscience knows that all of this is about the black man in the white house period. The GOP/TP Klan started the race and class wars, selling their soulds to the Teatroll devils, now they are trying to blame other people. Will the real men in the House please stand up.

    October 8, 2013 05:25 pm at 5:25 pm |
  3. tom l

    Maybe this will be current enough for you:

    New York Times columnist John Tierney surveyed 153 campaign journalists at a press party at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston. Although it was not a scientific sampling, Tierney found a huge preference for Democratic Senator John Kerry over incumbent Republican President George W. Bush, particular among journalists based in Washington, D.C. He found that journalists from outside Washington preferred Kerry by a three-to-one margin, while those who work inside the Beltway favored Kerry’s election by a 12-to-1 ratio.

    Tierney found a strong preference for the liberal Kerry: “When asked who would be a better president, the journalists from outside the Beltway picked Mr. Kerry 3 to 1, and the ones from Washington favored him 12 to 1. Those results jibe with previous surveys over the past two decades showing that journalists tend to be Democrats, especially the ones based in Washington.”

    In March and April 2005, the University of Connecticut’s Department of Public Policy surveyed 300 journalists nationwide — 120 who worked in the television industry and 180 who worked at newspapers and asked for whom they voted in the 2004 presidential election. In a report released May 16, 2005, the researchers disclosed that the journalists they surveyed selected Democratic challenger John Kerry over incumbent Republican President George W. Bush by a wide margin, 52 percent to 19 percent (with 1 percent choosing far-left independent candidate Ralph Nader). One out of five journalists (21 percent) refused to disclose their vote, while another six percent either didn’t vote or said they did not know for whom they voted

    More than half of the journalists surveyed (52%) said they voted for Democrat John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, while fewer than one-fifth (19%) said they voted for Republican George W. Bush

    I can keep going if you want.

    October 8, 2013 05:33 pm at 5:33 pm |
  4. Ol' Yeller

    @SPAM
    "Maybe they should just pass a budget?"
    If Boner will bring the clean bill to the floor for a vote we can.
    We are waiting Boner. The American people are waiting.

    October 8, 2013 05:34 pm at 5:34 pm |
  5. kay

    Do the vote. Do it now. What are you afraid of Boehner? Where's the compromise in not voting to open the government? Shame on you! Surprised no one is talking about impeaching you yet.

    October 8, 2013 05:37 pm at 5:37 pm |
  6. Sniffit

    "A temporary agreement was made to restore funding through October 31, 1977, allowing more time for Congress to resolve its dispute."

    This is what shows you're just bad at analogies, tom:

    First, the instances you cite are not instances of anyone saying "we will not fund the gov't unless we get what we want." They are instances of each chamber doing their thing according to procedure, some funding gap forming and then the parties coming together to negotiate to fix the gap. There were NO HOSTAGE GAMES, ULTIMATUMS OR RA in those situations. NONE.

    Second, passing the clean CR is a temporary measure that would "allow more time for Congress to resolve its dispute," just like passing a temporary bill back in 1977 did. That is all Obama and the Dems are asking: stop trying to play leverage games by taking things hostage and we'll negotiate. The GOP/Teatrolls are saying no and demanding that even that temporary measure requires ransom to be paid.

    October 8, 2013 05:45 pm at 5:45 pm |
  7. Data Driven

    @Tom,

    You're taking all this trouble. Look: the reason I don't care about the point you're making is that it's irrelevant, first of all. The issue at hand is if rebel Boehner and his cabal allow the Representatives to vote on a clean CR. What does this have to do with "liberal media"?

    Speaking of which, you guys got Fox. It's the highest-rated cable news network. By far. And you've got the whole AM radio band. And you've got CNN hustling false equivalence all day - shall I cite the Ticker stories alone? What more do you want?

    Stick to the point: Boehner and the shutdown. Defend that. No one cares about conservatives' opinions on "liberal media"; we've heard - and refuted it, as I just did - all before.

    October 8, 2013 05:45 pm at 5:45 pm |
  8. Sniffit

    "A temporary agreement was made to restore funding through October 31, 1977, allowing more time for Congress to resolve its dispute."

    This is what shows you're just bad at analogies, tom:

    First, the instances you cite are not instances of anyone saying "we will not fund the gov't unless we get what we want." They are instances of each chamber doing their thing according to procedure, some funding gap forming and then the parties coming together to negotiate to fix the gap. There were NO HOSTAGE GAMES, ULTIMATUMS OR RANSOM DEMANDS in those situations. NONE.

    Second, passing the clean CR is a temporary measure that would "allow more time for Congress to resolve its dispute," just like passing a temporary bill back in 1977 did. That is all Obama and the Dems are asking: stop trying to play leverage games by taking things hostage and we'll negotiate. The GOP/Teatrolls are saying no and demanding that even that temporary measure requires ransom to be paid.

    October 8, 2013 05:45 pm at 5:45 pm |
  9. Sniffit

    "Although it was not a scientific sampling"

    Stopped reading right there.

    October 8, 2013 05:46 pm at 5:46 pm |
  10. Ol' Yeller

    @tom I
    What is the point you are trying to make? That educated professionals with college degrees who work in a profession in which ethics plays a major role in your ability to be seen as a leader in your field tend to gravitate towards the political party which actually continues to attempt to make America a better, stronger, and more equal country; as opposed to the party whichlies to the American people daily and caters only to the fatcats and those willing to line their pockets?
    If so, well done Laddy... well done.

    October 8, 2013 05:48 pm at 5:48 pm |
  11. Jeff Brown in Jersey

    Maybe Boehner should ask his masters, the Koch Brothers if he can pretty please offer a clean CR for a floor vote. I know he isn't expected to make any decisions for himself, but this has become embarrassing even for a drunken, stooge like Boehner.

    October 8, 2013 05:50 pm at 5:50 pm |
  12. Gurgyl

    Doomsday for Rethuglicans. Just vote all these GOP animals out in 2014. Evil goes away.

    October 8, 2013 05:50 pm at 5:50 pm |
  13. Sniffit

    "More than half of the journalists surveyed (52%) said they voted for Democrat John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, while fewer than one-fifth (19%) said they voted for Republican George W. Bush

    I can keep going if you want."

    Oh yes, please do. Next you can explain how their personal preference for a candidate has anything to do with the objective observation that their output is still deliberately manufactured false equivalencies. They may vote one way, but they know what is required in order to help their boss/employer turn a profit....and it ain't being liberally biased that does so.

    See, you're making the mistake of using something arguably related, but not directly so and only tangentially related via inference and assumption, as "proof" of something else. If you want to prove it, find and cite pervasive examples actual "liberal" bias and make an argument as to why those example actually show liberal bias. Don't cite surveys of who they voted for and assume or infer that their voting record proves they are biased in their reporting and that your baseless inference contradicts our citations to objectively observed false equivalencies in the news right now.

    October 8, 2013 05:51 pm at 5:51 pm |
  14. The Ham

    Ol'Yeller...

    That's a CR vote... to get money without a budget... I don't think we've passed a budget in years...

    October 8, 2013 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  15. Sniffit

    "Maybe they should just pass a budget?"

    Maybe the GOP/Teatrolls should stop refusing (they've done so 19 times) to "conference" on the budgets passed by the Senate and House back in April?

    October 8, 2013 05:54 pm at 5:54 pm |
  16. Sniffit

    Today's episode of "What CNN Doesn't Want to Report About" is brought to you by Kansas and Arizona's new plans to create "two tier" voting systems that penalize anyone who doesn't produce proof of citizenship when registering to vote, treating their votes like they are second-class citizens and doing everything from preventing them from voting or treating them differently during the counting process.

    October 8, 2013 06:09 pm at 6:09 pm |
  17. rs

    tom l

    Maybe this will be current enough for you:
    ......

    ______________________________
    Really? 10 year old data that was non-scientifically collected is relevant how?

    October 8, 2013 06:10 pm at 6:10 pm |
  18. wow

    I think on some level, the GOP WANT America to start a global economic crisis and lose credibility and standing. It's almost as though now that the country is no longer solely run by white men, they want it to become less powerful.

    October 8, 2013 06:10 pm at 6:10 pm |
  19. don in albuquerque

    Isn't it a crime to try to overthrow a government? I know the Supreme Court has made it legal to buy one; but to throw the government and all its people in a wast bin, and do so openly, is that not some sort of criminal intent. Because if it is the Koch Bros should be investigated, and arrested, and for these two–deported, exiled, just in general put somewhere where they can no longer do any damage. The Koch Bros. and Tea Party (their privately owned party) are not part of any reasonable discussion on basically any issue.

    October 8, 2013 06:22 pm at 6:22 pm |
  20. w l jones

    We spent all that money in research developing a super computer when it just siting there taken up value space when could be use tell congress everything need to know get our country budjet on the road balance. Do the people a favor and get to working for which were hired..

    October 8, 2013 07:29 pm at 7:29 pm |
  21. Larry in Houston

    well, like 'ole Mitch said on the house floor – "we've got divided government" he also said that they were in control in 2008, 2009, until the mid-terms came around, in 2010, that's when he is more or less is saying everything is at a standstill.

    Well, it's like this.... It's going to be this way, all the way up to the mid-terms again, in 2014.....
    But believe me, I really don't know who or what party is going to win, in 2014.

    That is all up to the Voters, and who shows up at the polls & etc.

    The whole country is really ticked off, (to say the least) about this debt & shutdown debacle.

    You want MY Opinion ? I say : "Stay the Course, Obama" (even though I'm not his biggest fan)

    Now why do I say that ? because I think they have been raking Obama over the coals, so to speak.
    I know my comment is going to be moderated, but at least I'm saying my opinion. Truth is, I really don't care if CNN decides to NOT print my comment.
    Have a Great Day -

    October 8, 2013 07:59 pm at 7:59 pm |
  22. Thomas

    Ted Cruz must have gone short on America , look at the market .

    Somebody is making bank !

    October 8, 2013 08:51 pm at 8:51 pm |
  23. Rusty Krus

    I have to say... Looking at these rich arrogant monsters like Boehner, Cantor and Ryan makes me sick. They want to serve their masters while trying to hurt the poor and middle class. Nothing but disgusting, right wing hypocrites. If there really is a just God, these people will be sent to a very hot place for eternity.

    October 8, 2013 09:36 pm at 9:36 pm |
  24. Roberto Cardenas

    The Legislative Branch, The Executive Branch and the Supreme Court, these are the three branches of government of this country. Like the branches of a tree we need to trim this tree it has grown wild and has a lot of worms in it. Some member in the US Congress, which is part of the Legislative Branch, feels they don’t have to follow the law. This government works generally well when we follow the law of the land, why is it that people that are in the leadership positions don’t believe they have to follow the law? I agree we have to work on the budget, ACA and other issues. But we have to follow the law in doing so. Show some leadership skills.

    October 8, 2013 09:46 pm at 9:46 pm |
  25. ernie hill

    The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.

    October 8, 2013 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm |
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