(CNN) – While there are fresh signs of movement between President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, nothing is settled yet. As talks heat up, part of the government is still closed and it’s a day closer to when the Obama administration warns of a potential default on U.S. debt.
Up to speed:
"A useful and productive conversation."
That's how House Republican leaders characterized their meeting with President Barack Obama in the Roosevelt Room at the White House on Thursday.
The good news is that they're still talking, contrasted with the last White House meeting when they had little to say.
House Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers, one of the Republican leaders at the White House meeting, said "we want to move quickly" and that Obamacare did not come up in "any substantive way" in their discussion. He said that both sides were working in good faith to resolve their differences.
The Republican proposal:
Republicans earlier proposed to raise the debt ceiling for as long as six weeks to allow more time to negotiate a longer-term deal. In exchange, Republicans want a conference committee with members of both parties to work on a large deal addressing undefined “pressing problems.”
Obama has indicated that he would be open to a short-term extension but with no strings attached. The White House also said Obama wants the government reopened.
Short-term debt ceiling proposal on lawmakers' minds
Obamacare 'off the table'
House Republicans, and notably Ted Cruz in the Senate, led the fight against Obama's signature health care law. They made defunding or delaying Obamacare a demand in legislation the House repeatedly sent to the Democratic-controlled Senate, only to see it die there.
Apparently, it's now dead in the House, too.
"That's currently off the table now," Republican Rep. James Lankford said in an interview on "The Lead with Jake Tapper." "That's obviously not going to happen at this point."
Lankford did say that Republicans will now instead ask for a one-year delay on penalties for those who don't sign up for health care insurance.
Opinion: Obstructing government from Huey Long to Ted Cruz
The back story
CNN’s Chief Political Analyst, Gloria Borger, provides a must-read on how the stalemate got to this point.
“[T]he House GOP scheme, abetted by [Republican Senator Ted] Cruz and outside conservatives, will become a case for the civics classes. A study of the newly perverse politics of our time, and how a government was brought to its knees over a fight only a few wanted to wage - that everyone secretly knew could never be won,” Borger wrote.
Debt debate deconstructed
Some lawmakers don’t believe the United States will default once the debt ceiling is lifted. Among them is Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. He said the United States won’t default because it should prioritize its payments, putting payments on interest on the debt and Social Security at the top of the list.
“I wish we had a president who would take on the responsibility of the office, sit down with us, and address the fundamental problems that cause us to keep borrowing so much money,” Toomey said.
Massachusetts Democrat Sen. Elizabeth Warren, rebutted Toomey’s argument. She said paying only some of the bills is default.
“We are not a country of anarchists. We are not a country of pessimists and ideologues whose motto is ‘I got mine; the rest of you are on your own.’ We are not a country that tolerates dangerous drugs, unsafe meat, dirty air or toxic mortgages. We are not that nation,” Warren said.
Are the debt deniers right?
Stop fixating on October 17 – the date the Obama administration says is the debt ceiling deadline.
Here’s what October 17 means: Even if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling in the next week, the Treasury Department in all likelihood could continue to pay bills in full beyond that time - but not for very long.
Because at that point, it will be using the estimated $30 billion in cash it will have on hand, plus whatever daily revenue comes in. It will no longer be able to borrow to make up the difference between expenses and revenue.
The true cash crunch will come sometime by November 1, according to the Bipartisan Policy Center.
Five debt ceiling deniers in their own words
Pay for play
The Interior Department announced Thursday it will consider working with governors who have offered to use state funds to open national parks during the shutdown.
All 401 national parks have been closed and 20,000 National Park Service employees have been furloughed because of the shutdown. States are feeling the pain because the parks are major tourist hubs that drive local economies.
Governors and local officials in several states including Utah, Arizona, California, South Dakota, and Wyoming have sought alternative solutions to keep their parks open.
Rep. Paul Ryan is back
He’s got a design for a grand bargain, but it’s getting flak from both sides, particularly the right.
The furlough update
Is your favorite – or least favorite – government agency functioning?
Who is not working and not getting paid? And who is getting paid?
66,000: The number of additional unemployment claims filed last week. The highest single week increase since Superstorm Sandy.
The Dow posted its biggest gain of 2013 on hopes of a debt ceiling deal. It surged 323.09 points, closing at 15,126.07.
What’s closed and what’s not
Obamacare. Is that still around?
Yep. The Republicans haven’t dismantled it. The Internet black hole hasn’t swallowed it. And the White House is simultaneously working to beat off Republican critics and software glitches.
CNN’s Brian Todd reported that a government official defended the administration’s decision to launch the healthcare.gov despite warnings that it wasn’t ready to go live. “When you launch a new piece of technology, regardless of testing, there are bound to be issues, and we are working vigorously to correct them,” the official said.
The Senate closed an ugly chapter in the shutdown fight on Thursday although some thought it was already closed.
It unexpectedly approved House-passed legislation to restore military death benefits for survivors that were cut due to the shutdown.
Republican senators pushed to have the bill passed despite a plan finalized by the Obama administration the day before Fisher House, a private charity, cover the cost of the benefits until the shutdown is resolved.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the push by Republicans was "unnecessary" because benefits were now flowing, but said he would not block a unanimous consent agreement proposed by Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas.
"This issue is largely moot. It's clear the action on this legislation is just for show," Reid said.
Citizens step up
Some citizens aren’t standing by and complaining about a government shutdown. Instead, they are filling the void.
- A South Carolinian mowed parts of the National Mall and picked up trash.
- A food bank delivers food to stranded workers inside the Grand Canyon.
- Food Lion donated $500,000 to families locked out of food stamps in North Carolina
- A restaurant in Indiana is allowing IOUs and temporary jobs to furloughed government employees.
Keep the GOV shutdown for the next six weeks? This is the best plan they have?
Day 10 GOP, tick-tock, tick-tock. Your party still can still drive down its approval rating a bit more.
Health Care same in "Old Country as "New Country" Broke. About 17 Trillion now. You like? You think you vote you pay raise. Sorry. No pay raise. No free lunch. Just more Funny Money. Raise National Debt. More Red Ink. More things change, more they stay same. You figure out yet? Old Gunderson learn long time ago, book own life. Now Rich. You? Maybe you lost in desert no?
"Health Care same in "Old Country as "New Country" Broke. About 17 Trillion now. You like? You think you vote you pay raise. Sorry. No pay raise. No free lunch. Just more Funny Money. Raise National Debt. More Red Ink. More things change, more they stay same. You figure out yet? Old Gunderson learn long time ago, book own life. Now Rich. You? Maybe you lost in desert no?"
Aaaw, how cute....baby talk for baby thoughts.
The temporary extension would allow more time to negotiate a longer-term deal
No it wouldn't and they wouldn't.
All this temporary extension would effectively do is get the Republicans off of the noose. Off the hook. It would allow the public censure of their recklessness to simmer down and would give them time to smoke and mirror the voters.
So I say NO!!
Next thing you know it will be Christmas and this whole sordid and shameless scenario will be replayed against the backdrop of "Jingle Bells" and "Silent NIght".
The President will have his heart strings tearing because of the season and the next thing you know the cray-crays and Boehner will be bragging about how they got 98% of what they wanted.....AGAIN.
So hell to the no!
Work this out NOW while the iron is hot and the GOP has no where to hide from the public outcry blaming them for this needless angst against people that just want to get back to work.
I'm so angry I could spit!!
It's time for someone who is an expert in constitutional law to figure out a way to bring charges against Cruz and the garbage in this picture.
To their #Let'sTalk: #KMA.
Obama gave businesses an extension on Obama care...refusing to offer the same to the public (I suspect pressure from insurance companies). Republicans should have let it go thru. It needs modifications but time will take care of that. Obama care cannot survive as is.
Actually, the business was so convinced that the law would be repealed last year by the SCOTUS that they did little to nothing to prepare for its' implementation. They had three years to prepare, but squandered the first two listening to the Tea Party's ranting and ravings.
Boehner is the weakest Speaker of the House in the history of our nation. Open up the government. Bring a vote to the House floor. The tea party Taliban is ruining our country. Where are the moderate Republicans ? Take back your party. The American people are tired of the tea party. Vote the tea party Taliban out in 2014 !!!
This is just another THEATRICAL distraction,
from the fact that BOTH 'parties' of GREED
are working together to give all wealth and resources
to themselves and their corporate sponsors, while further
destroying most all legal protections of our god-given Rights.
We are being SPIED ON by corporations, for corporations,
in the largest Domestic-Spying Police-State in Human History.
The merger of corporate-governmental power is "fascism" by definition.
Turn OFF the TV.
It's controlled by them, and It keeps you wide asleep.
Divided = Distracted = Conquered
"Next thing you know it will be Christmas and this whole sordid and shameless scenario will be replayed against the backdrop of "Jingle Bells" and "Silent NIght"."
That would indeed be part of their plan. The GOP/Teatrolls want to blunt the Xmas season shopping sprees by using all of this to cause more fear and uncertainty, that way it doesn't create as much of an infusion of economic activity for the economy.
GOP are tyrants. Well armed militia?
People need to know that even though there are a lot of government workers still working through this partial shutdown, WE ARE NOT GETTING PAID!!!! We will only get paid for working (starting from Oct 1st to now) when they pass a new continuting resolution and reopen the government.
It is VERY misleading when they say that "83% of the government is still operating" (the last figure I saw). Thye need to tell how many of those 83% are working and NOT GETTING PAID!!!