October 15th, 2013
09:15 PM ET
1 year ago

Shutdown lowdown day 15: What you need to know

(CNN) – A dramatic day began in the Senate and ended there following a series of excruciating twists and turns in the House.

Speaker John Boehner failed to round up enough support to pass a leadership plan to end the shutdown and avert a possible debt default, so it was never put to a vote.

Emboldened conservatives want more substance, and Boehner instead kicked it all to the Senate, which had suspended its own talks on a compromise to first see if anything would pass the House.

President Barack Obama said Boehner can’t control his caucus while the President had House Democrats over to the White House where Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said her conference was buttoned up tight in opposition to the Republican plan.

As night fell and the House initiative fell apart, Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell resumed talks on their effort that supporters hope will garner enough bipartisan backing to ultimately pass and pressure reciprocal action in the House – with Democrats and a strong enough helping of Republicans going along.

But things must happen quickly and there’s new and serious pressure bearing down on the Capitol. The Obama administration says it runs out of borrowing authority on Thursday and Wall Street is now pretty spooked. Stocks snapped a win streak and a major bond rating house, Fitch, is talking downgrade of the gold-plated U.S. credit rating unless Congress acts immediately.

Here’s what you need to know:

Up to speed

Boehner pulled the bill and the Senate went home – although talks continued at the staff level.

Key components of the ill-fated House bill, according to multiple sources:

-Fund the government through December 15
-Increase the debt ceiling until February 7
-Prohibit federal health care subsidies for members of Congress, their staff, the President, Vice President and administration officials and staff.
-Prohibit the Treasury Department to implement “extraordinary measures” to extend the debt ceiling deadline.

Republicans dropped demands to include two other provisions related to Obamacare. One would have delayed a tax on medical devices and the other would have tightened income verification of those seeking subsidies to purchase health insurance.

The main components of the Senate plan, which House Republicans have panned.

-Fund the government until January 15
-Extend the debt limit until February 7
-Set up a committee to address budget and entitlement issues by December 15
-Create income verification for health care subsidies

But a hand shake between the two Senate leaders is a major, but only one, step in the process.

What’s next? Deal is just the start

Watch out in the Senate. Any agreement must still clear its procedural hurdles where tea party darling, Senator Ted Cruz, R-Texas, might still have something to say. Boehner has to sign off and pass it through the raucous House. Then, of course, Obama, who meets with Treasury Secretary Jack Lew on Wednesday, has to sign off. A whole host of things – filibusters and amendments – could slow it down, bringing Congress’ action awfully close to Thursday’s debt limit deadline.

Deal decoded

CNN’s John King laid out on CNN’s ‘New Day’ the enticements for Republicans and Democrats to sign on.

For the Democrats: “They get the government reopened pretty quickly and the debt ceiling extended for a couple moths. The House Republicans… believe there are very few concessions.”

For the Republicans: “[Y]ou can reopen the government, extend the debt ceiling and put this story behind you. You hope they can make up for the political damage already.”

But King said the right wing of the Republican Party, including Redstate.com, is already advising Republicans to “reject this deal.”

Debt Refresher

Debt default fears haven’t gone away yet

If the debt ceiling is hit, the government can’t pay about one-third of the billions of dollars worth of bills it has each day. The major things at risk of being paid out include Social Security, Medicaid and interest payments on the debt.

By the numbers

$20 billion: The amount economist Mark Zandi said the government shutdown and debt ceiling fears have cost the American economy.

1,000: Number of consumer safety inspections by the Consumer Product Safety Commission that have been halted.

74: The percent of respondents who blame the Republican Party for the government crisis, according to a fresh poll from ABC News and the Washington Post.

61: The percent of respondents who disapprove of Congressional Democrats

53: The percent who disapprove of the President.

3.8 million: The number of veterans who might not get their benefits on November 1 if Congress doesn’t resolve the stalemate soon.

Wall Street: The Dow closed down 133 points.

World chastises U.S. as debt ceiling looms

Citizens stepping up

Along with the threat of losing benefits, the government shutdown has also exasperated a long-standing problem The Veterans Affairs Departments disability claims backlog has gone up, with 435,000 vets now have longer wait times as applications are slowed because the agency has had to stop paying overtime to processors working through the applications.

A coalition of 33 veterans groups holds a rally in Washington today to protest the shutdown.

In Hawaii, two weeks of the shutdown has left the Arizona Memorial grounds unkempt. Members of the military spent Monday cleaning and grooming it, KOHN reports.

Decay

The shutdown is having a deleterious effect on Michelle Obama’s Veggie Garden, according to the Obama Foodorama blog.

Outrage(s) of the Day

Senator Barbara Boxer, D-California, on the Senate floor “I have to say, when you start acting like you’re committing domestic abuse, you’ve got a problem. ‘I love you dear, but you know, I’m shutting down your entire government. I love you dear, but I’m going to default and you’re going to be weak.’ Something is dreadfully wrong.”

Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch at weekend tea party rally: "I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up.”


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  1. teaparty days are numbered

    All you have to remember is that the GOP/TP put people out of work to deny people out of work healthcare.

    October 15, 2013 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm |
  2. Rich Parks

    Ashley Banfield just trotted out the House of Representatives disapproval polls (Reps 74%, Dem’s 61%) The news anchors are missing the entire point of what is happening here. Polls represent constituents and Politicians have effectively removed constituents from their political decision making equation, through partisan gerrymandering, SO who cares about constituent polls? The Politicians most certainly don’t. Politicians have forced the American checks and balance government into parliamentary variation of government. The now overtly political Supreme Court upheld the continuing division of America by ratifying partisan gerrymandering (along with ruling that putting even more property/money into the political system is freedom of speech) What is the solution to allowing every American freedom of speech without paying for it? Ans: Districts with 50:50 splits Dem to Rep voters, even if the district isn’t connected. Barring that rather long shot remedy; UNIFIED PRIMARIES might bring back more of a choice on its face, but partisan redistricting basically shuts down this as a true choice. Welcome to UK Governement.

    October 15, 2013 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm |
  3. lolo

    All I need to know is when Cruz, McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, Paul and the rest of the crazies are going to submit their resignations. The nuts have taken over the asylum and the GOP whimps do not know how to handle it. That is what they get for selling their souls to the devil for votes. I hope President Obama vetos what ever they put forth. See how those truly conservatives going to feel when they can't get the government to print those VA, SSI checks for them quick enough. They are crying now. Then they have the nerve to try and blame President Obama for their stupidity. They are so obssessed and full of hatred that a black man was elected president, that they are losing their minds and it is eating them up alive. Cruz needs to sit down and shut up because a Canadian born citizen will never be president of the U.S.

    October 15, 2013 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  4. The Elephant in the Room

    I have ONE QUESTION for the Republican Party _

    Who is the USA going to take with us to the Chinese that will CO-SIGN for America?

    October 15, 2013 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm |
  5. obawendon

    Unbelievable! These guys need to go next election. To cost our country this much suffering, lost revenue, lost reputation in the world, and for what? The glee that the TP Republicans showed when they shut down our government? Will they be happy when we have our interest rates hiked which will increase the deficit? They say that they are listening to their constituents? Where, on planet Whacko?

    October 15, 2013 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  6. Tom

    The democrats should not agree to any deal under threat. The host on CNN was wrong to insist that only removing the funding for the ACA was a reasonable compromise under threat of fiscal default. The congressman was correct. This is not a negotiation this is a hostage situation. The Democrats are

    October 15, 2013 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  7. Wake up People!

    @Dominican Mama.

    Feel free to add whomever to that list. I did forget Rudy, Mallory and rs. And a host of others, including you Dominican Mama.

    October 15, 2013 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  8. Lisa M

    I am extremely disappointed that CNN is reporting this story from one side of the equation. I hope the HOUSE continues to stay the course. They should never bow down to the president or the Senate who will not budge. There needs to be compromise and I do not see it happening.

    October 15, 2013 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
  9. Wake up People!

    Well Lisa M. I can guarantee you won't see the same story at Fox. Actually CNN, isn't telling the truth either, they are giving the GOP far too much credit, while pretending certain members weren't high fiving after shutting down the government. I also haven't seen one story on how the House changed the rules on September 30.

    Anyone that thinks CNN is liberal or for Obama has to believe everything said on Fox.

    October 15, 2013 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  10. not hienuf

    Don't you love how this teaparty purposfully obfuscates truth and relies on misinforming the public be calling the President a Muslim. Not that I care what religion he is. We are a nation Under God with several messiahs to choose from. That's part of the beauty of this nation. But to use false, derogatpory rhetoric just amplifies your stupidity and validates the opposition. Go crawl in a hole please. Let the rest of us continue to evolve.

    October 15, 2013 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm |
  11. Rudy NYC

    Lisa M

    I am extremely disappointed that CNN is reporting this story from one side of the equation. I hope the HOUSE continues to stay the course. They should never bow down to the president or the Senate who will not budge. There needs to be compromise and I do not see it happening.
    --------------------
    There is only "one side" to report, which is the truth. The fact of the matter is that the "negotiations" that the Tea Party are demanding pretty much amounts to the following. "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable." If the Tea Party want conduct honest negotiations, then they need to at least bring a carrot to the table, instead of meat cleaver.

    October 15, 2013 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm |
  12. Me

    Leo

    Looking at what this article states what the House Republicans would add on, it's actually not that bad. Semi reasonable given everything that has happened so far, but I doubt the reality is that simplified?
    ___________________________

    The GOP is actually willing to negotiate but of course our loser of a president is not willing to compromise and WORK with the GOP. The is entirely on the liberals and Obama!!!! The GOP has come a long way from completely defunding to what they have proposed now, it is time for Obama and company to WORK WITH THE GOP and get the house plan approved. Polls clearly show well over half of the country does not want Obamacare for one reason or another (And I don't care why, the fact is they don't!!!), time for the so called president to negotiate a little!!!! I am getting pretty tired of these liberal thugs trying to bully to get their way and only their way. There is a reason we have the senate and congress and a president, thank god the house is standing up to these thugs in the white house!!!

    October 15, 2013 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm |
  13. MWC

    It is the Democrats and Obama who are causing this shut down not the House Republicans. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and the Democrats passed a $1 trillion in new tax revenues. The Republicans passed a $4.6 trillion in savings over the same period without raising new taxes. The House budget changes our debt course, while the Senate budget does not. We the people do not want Obamacare.

    October 15, 2013 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  14. Me

    rs

    Keith ..... in Oregon

    I knew right away I was going to read an unbiased "report" instead of an opinion when I read the first sentence.

    "On the 15th day of this manufactured crisis". Way to go CNN, might as well get your bias right out in front. Although I guess you could make a good case for the President having made this into a crisis.
    _____________________
    Sorry, sir. The GOP forced this crisis on America- and worse for the GOP 75% of Americans believe that fact.
    ______________________
    You are so brain washed is it sick!!!! This is your liberal thugs fault you know the ones in the white house!!! The GOP has come a long way but will Obama even budge a bit, I bet not, ENTIRELY Obama and the senate's fault!!!! Man you need to open your mind and stop spewing the FALSE liberal talking points but I am sure you won’t.

    October 15, 2013 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  15. Sniffit

    "The GOP has come a long way from completely defunding to what they have proposed now"

    Yawn. Starting by demanding that I be allowed to cut off all your limbs and then moving to "ok, well, how about just your left leg?" is not "compromising." PERIOD.

    October 15, 2013 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  16. Sniffit

    "Polls clearly show well over half of the country does not want Obamacare for one reason or another (And I don't care why, the fact is they don't!!!), time for the so called president to negotiate a little!!!! "

    Even taking your claim to be true, polls also very clearly show that the majority of the public does not want the funding of the gov't and the raising of the debt ceiling/national default to be the means by which the GOP/Teatrolls attempt to get changes to the ACA made. They do not want this hostage-taking crap AT ALL.

    October 15, 2013 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  17. Rudy NYC

    Me wrote:

    The GOP is actually willing to negotiate but of course our loser of a president is not willing to compromise and WORK with the GOP.
    ---------------
    What are the GOTP willing to offer? Nothing, besides a "promise" to re-open the government. Here's the GOTP offer.

    "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable."

    October 15, 2013 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  18. Sniffit

    "The House Republicans just don't get it....they are willing to shut down everything for what?"

    For what? There's a black Dem in the WH. Period.

    Next question.

    October 15, 2013 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  19. Me

    rs

    Facts:
    1. There were some in the GOP campaigned on shutting down the Government in 2010
    2. There were some in the GOP who ran on shutting down the Government in 2012
    3. The House GOP member who wrote the letter demanding a shutdown of the Government by Boehner in September was signed by 80 GOP House members
    4. procedural rules were re-written in September to allow a shutdown vote to occur
    5. On Oct. 1st, the House GOP shut down the Federal Government
    6. Between Oct. 1 and Monday, GOP approval ratings fell from 38% to 28%, with evidence it is even lower now. More imprtantly, more than 75% of Americans disapprove of the shutdown

    The GOP planned this little coup d'etat, and they executed it, and now they are paying the price. If they push our nation into default, they will not like the results.
    _________________
    I assume you have legit sources for all these, of course you don't AS USUAL, stop spewing your lies!!! Also you are only telling one side of the story for your polling numbers, well over half of America DISAAPROVED of the senate and Obama too but let’s not mention that or anything. Well over half of America disapprove of the job Obama is overall not just with this crisis but of course you will have some lame excuse pushing blame to anyone but where it belongs, typical liberal! Brain washed beyond help buddy!!!

    October 15, 2013 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm |
  20. Gunderson

    Ha, Ha,
    Old Gunderson laugh self silly. Not so easy is it. "Dummy" Care just one part of Budget-National Debt. You want Platinum Service pay Cardboard rate. No, you get "Dummy" Care for free, other sucker's pay for "Dummy" Care you have no job. All jobs move China.

    Old Gunderson see Default on horizon. You like Food Stamps, no?

    October 15, 2013 01:00 pm at 1:00 pm |
  21. Dean Anderson

    Hey Congress – please stop spending my great-grandchildren's money!

    October 15, 2013 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  22. Ron -IN

    Lisa M. and others that think like her: You say "the House should not bow to the Senate and the President.???" First, one third should not dictate to the other two-thirds. Second , you are ignoring the REAL situation. If the Speaker of the House were to have placed the clean C.R. for vote it would have PASSED with all of the Democratic votes and about 40 or 50 Republican votes. What you are supporting is the minority telling the majority they are running the show and they are willing to devastate the WORLD economy to prove a point!!. I wonder just how much your position would change if a group of 40 House Democrats were doing the same thing with a Republican Senate and President demanding stronger background checks or higher taxes on the rich!!

    October 15, 2013 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  23. Me

    Tom

    The democrats should not agree to any deal under threat. The host on CNN was wrong to insist that only removing the funding for the ACA was a reasonable compromise under threat of fiscal default. The congressman was correct. This is not a negotiation this is a hostage situation. The Democrats are
    __________________
    Give me a break, it is not called threats it is negotiation and it is how America works, why do you think we have separate senate, congress and president, the president and liberals need to learn the words WORK TOGETHER. The GOP has given A LOT, the liberals, NOTHING!!!!

    October 15, 2013 01:08 pm at 1:08 pm |
  24. Me

    Rudy NYC

    Lisa M

    I am extremely disappointed that CNN is reporting this story from one side of the equation. I hope the HOUSE continues to stay the course. They should never bow down to the president or the Senate who will not budge. There needs to be compromise and I do not see it happening.
    ------–
    There is only "one side" to report, which is the truth. The fact of the matter is that the "negotiations" that the Tea Party are demanding pretty much amounts to the following. "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable." If the Tea Party want conduct honest negotiations, then they need to at least bring a carrot to the table, instead of meat cleaver.
    _____________________
    What a joke Rudy, what do you think Congress has done, they have come a long way from completely defunding the ACA to now, liberals will not budge a all. Dems need to grow up and learn to work well with others!!!!!

    October 15, 2013 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  25. Freedom77

    I am thankful for the House – I do not want my kids to pay more to the Government for anything else including heaalthcare – Government growth mst stop.

    October 15, 2013 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
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