October 30th, 2013
09:05 AM ET
6 months ago

Highlights: Sebelius on the hot seat

Washington (CNN) - They want her fired and the health care reforms she champions dismantled, Wednesday Republicans got their chance to question Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius over the rocky rollout of the Obamacare website, as she testified before a House Energy and Commerce Committee.

12:36 p.m. ET: The hearing ends
Hearing length: 3 hours 33 minutes.
Members of Congress who asked questions: 51.
When Sebelius apologized for the HealthCare.gov problems: a few minutes into the hearing, during her opening statement.
Number of members who referenced the Wizard of Oz: Three. (Sebelius is from Kansas.)

Most frequent topics:
- – The President’s past assertion that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” and news that after 2010 some plans have been cancelled.
- – Whether the individual mandate should be delayed given the website problems and the delay in the employer mandate.
- – Who is to blame for: a) the lack of adequate testing (Answer: no one specific was named), b) the decision to make individuals register before they could browse plans (Answer: Michelle Snyder of CMS) c) the decision to launch the website when it wasn’t ready (Answer: Sebelius said she told the president the site was ready, based on staff guidance. She stressed that no one predicted the avalanche of problems that happened)

12:35 p.m. ET
After a sharp exchange with a Republican Congressman, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday she would "gladly join" the new health insurance exchange under Obamacare if she didn't have affordable coverage under the federal program for government officials.

12:32 p.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on Wednesday the decision to require people to sign up on the Obamacare website before they could shop for rates was "wrong." Outside contractors have said a change in plans shortly before the botched October 1 launch of the website prevented people from "window-shopping" without signing up, increasing the initial volume that officials cite as the main cause of the online problems. Sebelius said the decision to make the change came from Marilyn Tavenner, who heads the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in her department.

12:31 p.m. ET

To the best of your knowledge, has a man ever given birth to a baby? As the hearing moved toward its end, Rep. Renee Ellmers, R-North Carolina, asked Secretary Sebelius that question, aiming to highlight that some men may be forced to buy maternity coverage as part of an insurance package under Obamacare. Sebelius responded that some men do need maternity coverage for their spouse and family, who could be covered under their policy. Ellmers insisted this is an example of why health care costs are going up, insurance coverage that may not be necessary for everyone.

12:18 p.m. ET
By the way: While Sebelius was still getting grilled at the hearing, Roger Daltrey, lead singer of the legendary band “The Who,” was performing at an unveiling of a Winston Churchill bust in the Capitol Rotunda singing “Stand by Me” and “Won’t Get Fooled Again.”

12:04 p.m. ET
A member of Congress has sparked some applause. Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Colorado, blasted HHS Secretary Sebelius for not getting her own health care through the exchanges set up by Obamacare. Sebelius explained that by law she receives the Federal Health Employee Benefits plan, which includes most federal workers. Gardner held up a letter that he said was a cancellation notice for his family's police and as he continued to ask Sebelius why she herself wasn't in the exchange, some scattered but noticeable claps came from the crowded hearing room.

12:03 p.m.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday that she told President Barack Obama the website for his signature health care reforms was "ready to go" for its October 1 launch, adding: "Clearly, I was wrong. We were wrong."

11:57 a.m. ET
An internal government memo obtained by CNN and written just days before the Obamacare open enrollment warned of a "high" security risk due to a lack of testing of the healthcare.gov website. "Due to system readiness issues, the (Security Control Assessment) SCA was only partly completed," according to the memo from the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services. "This constitutes a risk that must be accepted and mitigated to support the Marketplace Day 1 operations."

11:56 a.m. ET
Rep. John Barrow, D-Georgia, is highly critical of and has repeatedly voted to limit Obamacare. He's a Blue Dog Democrat.

11:43 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius urged members of Congress on Wednesday to help inform their constituents about Obamacare, calling on them to raise awareness of available federal subsidies and make clear that people don't have to stay with the same company because they now have choice.

11:37 a.m. ET
Bad luck for the junior Congressmen on the committee. In an attempt to end the hearing on time, Committee Chair Fred Upton just announced that members will be now limited to two minutes of questioning each.

11:31 a.m. ET
A question about President Barack Obama sparked a seeming verbal exasperation from Secretary Sebelius. Rep. Greg Harper, R-Mississippi, repeatedly asked if Obama, as the chief executive, is responsible for the problems with HealthCare.gov. Sebelius demurred, insisting the website rollout was her responsibility. But on one final try, Harper stipulated, "it is the President's ultimate responsibility, is it not." She searched for words, saying, "you clearly ..." then added a rare "whatever." She concluded, "He is the President of the United States."

11:26 a.m. ET
Time check. A spokesman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee tells CNN that about 15 more members are waiting to ask questions of Secretary Sebelius. At five minutes each, that would take well over an hour. The spokesman says initially the Secretary had asked to leave by noon, but the committee may ask her to stay longer.

11:19 a.m. ET
Who's the man with the mustache and red tie behind Sebelius? That's Mike Hash, who leads the HHS office of Health Reform. He is a key coordinator of policy between the White House and HHS and is a go-to briefer when Congress wants Obamacare answers. Off camera, Hash has passed a few notes to Sebelius during the hearing. He also has a resume line that may be a bonus today: he used to work as a staff member for this committee.
Mike Hash, head of HHS Health Reform office

11:03 a.m. ET

House Speaker John Boehner's office just sent out an e-mail questioning and making hay out of Sebelius' comment (at about 10:05 a ET) that "the website has never crashed". The e-mail includes a screen shot of the HealthCare.gov error message this morning.

11:00 a.m. ET
Because of the flawed launch of the Obamacare website, the administration expects the figure for initial enrollment "will be a very small number," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a House committee hearing Wednesday.

10:55 a.m. ET
Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, just mentioned a CNN.com story about the HealthCare.gov website being vulnerable to hackers. Since we are CNN.com, here's a handy link.

10:47 a.m. ET
About an hour and a half into the hearing, Rep. G.K. Butterfield, D-North Carolina, became the 20th committee member, out of a possible 54 members who can participate, to ask questions of Sebelius.

10:46 a.m. ET
The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee accused Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius of putting private information of Americans at risk by failing to properly test security measures in the troubled Obamacare website."This is a completely unacceptable level of security," said Republican Rep. Mike Rogers of Michigan at a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, adding that if the website is not functioning, "you know it's not secure." Sebelius said testing occurs regularly, but told Rogers she would get back to him on whether any end-to-end security test of the entire system has ever occurred. Rogers responded that he knows there have been no such comprehensive security tests.

10:37 a.m. ET
States running their own Obamacare health insurance exchanges instead of turning them over to the federal government are "doing well," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a congressional committee Wednesday."Everything we hear is that they see the same demand, they are eager to enroll folks, and that is going smoothly."

10:29 a.m. ET

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday that no "reliable, confirmed" information exists on how many people have signed up for Obamacare health coverage, rejecting a request from a Republican congressman that she allow insurance companies to release their figures. Sebelius reiterated earlier statements that figures on initial enrollment will be made public in mid-November.

10:26 a.m. ET
The outside contractors that built the troubled Obamacare website never recommended delaying the October 1 launch, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a House committee Wednesday. Her comments came in response to questions about an August report by one of the companies that cited problems.

10:21 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a House committee Wednesday that "we did not adequately do end-to-end testing" of the troubled Obamacare website before its botched launch on October 1, adding that the various components "were not locked and loaded into the system" until mid-September.

10:10 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday that contracts with the private companies working on the Obamacare website do not have any "built-in penalties" allowing her department to charge them for disappointing or faulty work. However, she said the agency will not pay for work that is incomplete.

10:09 a.m. ET
The exchange a few minutes ago between Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Pennsylvania and Secretary Sebelius hit on perhaps the widest number of issues with HealthCare.gov yet. In his five-minute questioning period, Pitts asked:

- Had Sebelius herself tried to signup on HealthCare.gov herself? Answer: she had an initial sort of dummy account. (It was not clear from her answer if she had tried to go through the process after the website was launched.)

- Who at the agency initially decided to require users to register before they could browse, a decision that may have caused some of the biggest problems in the first weeks? Answer: Marilyn Tavener, head of the Medicare & Medicaid Services.

- Did Sebelius think two weeks of testing before launching the site was enough? Answer: clearly not.

- When was Sebelius made aware of the problem? Answer: in August, contractor CGI Federal listed some problems and she understood they were fixing them.

- Did she know that in September some insurers recommended a delay? Answer: I wasn't in that meeting and I don't think anyone estimated the degree to which we have had problems.

10:06 a.m. ET
In a sharp exchange with a Republican congressman, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday she believed she could provide legislators with a list of insurers in federal exchanges set up under Obamacare that do not offer coverage for abortion services.

9:56 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday she was confident the troubled Obamacare website would be running smoothly by November 30, adding "I have confidence, but it isn't fair to ask the American public to take our word for it."

9:51 a.m. ET
At 90 years old, Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, questioning Sebelius now, is the oldest member of Congress and was a teenager when Social Security was created. He has adamantly opposed Obamacare.

9:45 a.m. ET
A waiver of privacy rights on the Obamacare website was included in error and "will be taken down," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday, telling GOP Rep. Joe Barton of Texas that "we have asked them to remove that statement."

5 things we learned from Tuesday's hearing with Tavenner

9:44 a.m. ET
HHS Secretary Sebelius just said that someone named Michelle Snyder was responsible for coordinating HealthCare.gov prior to this week (when contractor CGI Federal took over). Who is that? Snyder is the top day-to-day manager for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). Here's her bio.

Snyder's boss did not directly defend her but when Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tennessee, asked, "So is Michelle Snyder responsible for this debacle?", Sebelius responded "no". That's when the HHS secretary said that Congress should hold her (Sebelius) responsible.

9:35 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday before a congressional committee that Republicans should "hold me responsible" for the problem-plagued Obamacare website.

9:33 a.m. ET
So far, the Sebelius hearing is going according to a classic Congressional script. The chairman from the opposing party opens with a question about one of the hottest issues, in this case Chairman Fred Upton, R-Michigan, asked about the fact that some Americans will not be able to keep their health care plans. Then the ranking member from the president's party, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, asks friendly questions to defend their position. Now, we watch to see if there will be any news, anything goes off script. Will Republican questions elicit any new information and will any Democrats become especially critical of the HealthCare.gov roll-out.

Three states tell insurers to cancel plans that don't comply with Obamacare

9:32 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday that people who bought their own health coverage before Obamacare was signed into law in 2010 can keep those policies if they choose under a "grandfather" clause included in the legislation. Her response to a question about people getting their policies canceled now defended promises by President Barack Obama that anyone who likes their health care plan can keep it, relying on the technicality that the coverage must pre-date the law. Asked if Obama was keeping his promise, Sebelius responded: "Yes, he is."


9:20 a.m. ET

What did the HHS Secretary just say? Here's a link to the eight pages of written testimony she submitted earlier this week.
Her spoken words to the committee were a shorter version.

Administration warned about site's trouble before launch

9:19 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a House committee Wednesday that the "vast majority" of consumers will be able to shop online for health insurance under Obamacare by the end of November without the problems being experienced now.

9:17 a.m. ET
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius apologized Wednesday to Americans for the "miserably frustrating experience" caused by problems with the Obamacare website.

9:15 a.m. ET
As Sebelius starts her testimony, HealthCare.gov is not working. The familiar error screen, "The system is down at the moment" appears.

9:13 a.m. ET
The top Democrat on a House committee examining Obamacare told a hearing Wednesday that the President's signature health care reforms mean that "the worst abuses of the insurance industry will be halted." Rep. Henry Waxman of California said the reforms mean better plans are available at lower premiums, and he urged Republican colleagues to "stop hyperventilating" about problems with the system's website.

Keep your plan? Maybe not

9:12 a.m. ET
Sebelius is taking the oath before the House Energy & Commerce Committee as many are watching to see if the House Oversight & Government Reform Committee will issue a subpoena for documents related to HealthCare.gov.

9:08 a.m. ET
Republican Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan opened Wednesday's hearing on Obamacare by the House Energy and Commerce Committee he chairs by saying news about the President's signature health care reforms "seems to get worse by the day," adding that "Americans are scared" and "may be losing their faith in the government."

9:04 a.m. ET
A congressional committee hearing Wednesday with Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius facing questions about Obamacare has started.


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soundoff (268 Responses)
  1. Rudy NYC

    tom l

    Can she apologize to me for losing my healthcare plan through work that I had that has now been completely changed into an HSA from the PPO that I had? Oh, and I work for a very large company so for people to say that the people who get their own insurance will be affected is a complete lie.
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    What makes you think that the company changed their health care benefits because of the ACA? Companies change their plans all of the time when it suits them financially. Some companies are using the ACA as an excuse to charge their employees higher premiums, which reduces the share that the company pays, despite the fact that the company gets a tax credit for their share of the premiums.

    October 30, 2013 10:51 am at 10:51 am |
  2. tom l

    @Data,

    Again, I work for the largest media company in the U.S.- owning over 850 radio stations. No more PPO. Plan has completely changed. Is that proof for you? In the bill they said that millions would lose their private health insurance and nobody said anything. Obama kept harping that if you like your plan you can keep it – he didn't say that we will look at all plans and tell you whether you have a good plan or not. He said we could keep our plan.

    Well, my PPO, which was obviously was a good plan, was eliminated. I don't have that insurance I had before. Is that enough proof (although it is anectodal).

    And, again, yes you know more than me but I'm not wrong about the system being hacked. It happened.

    October 30, 2013 10:53 am at 10:53 am |
  3. tom l

    What makes you think that the company changed their health care benefits because of the ACA? Companies change their plans all of the time when it suits them financially. Some companies are using the ACA as an excuse to charge their employees higher premiums, which reduces the share that the company pays, despite the fact that the company gets a tax credit for their share of the premiums.

    It had never been changed before. They had always offered a PPO and an HMO. It's gone now. What other reason could there possibly be? Be reasonable.

    October 30, 2013 10:54 am at 10:54 am |
  4. Rudy NYC

    CPowell wrote:

    WRONG! We are going to the site because we are being FORCED to go to the site. It took me three weeks to get through and done, to find I must take my employer's coverage – even though it is 20% higher than the exchanges...
    -------------------------–
    Seriously? Faux outrage? Why are you mad at the new law when it is your employer who has raised your rates? BTW, I am not aware of any company that forces people to purchase the health insurance packages that they offer. It is known fact to be against the law because it violates monopoly laws. Seriously.

    October 30, 2013 10:55 am at 10:55 am |
  5. GOP = Greed Over People

    The captains of the private industry contractors, CGI, were the ones that missed the deadline, NOT Secretary Sebilius.

    It was the failure of the captains of private industry to not hire enough worker bees to accomplish the stated and agreed upon deadline when they accepted the millions of taxpayer dollars to meet that deadline.

    It is NOT the job of Secretary Selibius to move the deadline, just because the private industry is incompetent and cannot meet the deadlines they agreed to meet, but failed!

    October 30, 2013 10:56 am at 10:56 am |
  6. tom l

    "Second, the law mandates that large employers provide insurance benefits to their full-time employees. The federal government is a large employer...the largest in the nation. The federal gov't is subject to this mandate just like private companies."

    So where's my 75% that's being subsidized by the US taxpayer? Funny how you just leave that information out. My company changed our plan and it's a large corporation. I don't get the subsidy. It's not the same no matter how many big words you use and no matter how many times you say it. It's not the same.

    October 30, 2013 10:57 am at 10:57 am |
  7. Anonymous

    Let's see Secretary Sibelius put her money where her mouth is. She could inspire a lot of confidence by submitting her personal financial information to the Federal ACA website. If a temporary certification means people's information is secure, she should have no objection.

    October 30, 2013 10:57 am at 10:57 am |
  8. Data Driven

    @scrappyone,

    "They spent close to $200 million dollars on a program that doesn't work, is not secure and hasn't been tested. Another $600 million on trying to promote it to the public"

    Source? Or is this, like the rest of your post, your opinion?

    October 30, 2013 10:58 am at 10:58 am |
  9. rs

    CAN ANY OF YOU DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT OR THIS LAW ANWSER THIS QUESTION?
    How does the President of the United States justify creating a compulsory law that is mandatory for all except himself, congress and special interest groups of his choosing?
    __________________________
    Yes, and so can anyone who can use the Internet.
    1. The President is not immune- he already has a health insurance plan provided as part of his compensation (something most Americans still get).
    2. Congress shot itself in the foot in this one as members and staffers had insurance provided in their compensations. As a result of an amendment offered by Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), the Affordable Care Act includes a provision that would require members of Congress (and their personal staffs) to get their insurance on the Obamacare exchanges. the exchanges are intended for people who currently do not get employer-provided insurance, whereas lawmakers and their staffs previously had about 70 percent of their insurance premiums underwritten by the federal government through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. For lawmakers and their staffs, the loss of employer contributions would have amounted to an unintended pay cut of between $5,000 to $10,000. (See the Washington Post for a more complete explaination and fact check on your assertions)
    3. No "interest groups" were excempted- about 1,000 businesses got 1 year extensions to perform a changeover affecting abput 4 million workers- who will now get better, cheaper insurance through the exchanges.

    October 30, 2013 11:00 am at 11:00 am |
  10. MOG

    Waiting for Oliver North to testify next. When is he scheduled to waste my tax money about a website? Hold up...wait a minute...I'm a disabled veteran...when are they going to have talks on the functionality of the VA ebenefits website? Oh yeah that's right...I have to wait until the president starts doing something to make it better. My bad!

    October 30, 2013 11:02 am at 11:02 am |
  11. Data Driven

    @tom l,

    "My company changed our plan"

    So blame your company.

    Are those words simple enough?

    October 30, 2013 11:04 am at 11:04 am |
  12. rs

    tom l

    Can she apologize to me for losing my healthcare plan through work that I had that has now been completely changed into an HSA from the PPO that I had? Oh, and I work for a very large company so for people to say that the people who get their own insurance will be affected is a complete lie.
    __________________________
    I hate to tell you Tom, but your HR department changed carriers- something that happens often in American business. Ask them why- it has nothing to do with the ACA unless your firm only provided you with a junk policy that no longer meets federal coverage standards.

    October 30, 2013 11:04 am at 11:04 am |
  13. Fair is Fair

    "Second, the law mandates that large employers provide insurance benefits to their full-time employees. The federal government is a large employer...the largest in the nation. The federal gov't is subject to this mandate just like private companies."
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    The employer mandate was ILLEGALLY delayed by Obama. What's your point?

    October 30, 2013 11:05 am at 11:05 am |
  14. GOP = Greed Over People

    "They spent close to $200 million dollars on a program that doesn't work, is not secure and hasn't been tested. Another $600 million on trying to promote it to the public"

    AND when Obamacare(s) "waste" another 23.2 BILLION, then and only then, can the GOP mouth off about wasteful government spending.

    October 30, 2013 11:06 am at 11:06 am |
  15. Rudy NYC

    tom l. wrote:

    It had never been changed before. They had always offered a PPO and an HMO. It's gone now. What other reason could there possibly be? Be reasonable.
    -------------------–
    Be reasonable? Okay. You go to work one day, enter the restroom, look in the mirror, and notice that you have a gray hair when you've never had one before. Damn, that Obamacare. Sound reasonable to you? Like I said, companies make changes whenever they feel like it, for whatever reason they want. Furthermore, you are not required to purchase their health insurance package. Or did they leave that part out?

    October 30, 2013 11:07 am at 11:07 am |
  16. Nychsa

    I would be all for these types of hearings if there were any measure of productivity associated with them. But the truth of the matter is – Congress has virtually 0 productivity and these hearings are just a means for politicians to grand stand and score points against "the other side". I am beyond belief sick of Congress or for that matter any politician. We are paying these people to sit around and do nothing! If any of us were to run our jobs the way they do we would all be fired! I say we start demanding politicians give us some rate of return for everything they do. Before Congress held these meetings they should be telling us what they expect to get out of it and how it is going to improve something. It should also be pegged to a metric – either a dollar amount they expect to recoup or save in the future and a specific plan on how they intend to accomplish it!

    October 30, 2013 11:07 am at 11:07 am |
  17. Lynda/Minnesota

    "Hopefully Obamacare gets its glitches fixed and ultimately proves of real value for the majority."

    Hopefully the GOP will soon come to understand that this is just one of many faux outrages they have enacted time and again. Childish? Oh absolutely. GOP "pout-rage" is becoming ever more entertaining as the years go by.

    What boggles the mind is that there are folks who buy into these pout-rages to begin with.

    October 30, 2013 11:08 am at 11:08 am |
  18. Fair is Fair

    "BTW, I am not aware of any company that forces people to purchase the health insurance packages that they offer. It is known fact to be against the law because it violates monopoly laws. Seriously."
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    Monopoly laws? Like the Sherman Anit-Trust Law? Seriously?

    October 30, 2013 11:09 am at 11:09 am |
  19. Sniffit

    "So where's my 75% that's being subsidized by the US taxpayer? Funny how you just leave that information out. My company changed our plan and it's a large corporation. I don't get the subsidy. It's not the same no matter how many big words you use and no matter how many times you say it. It's not the same.

    Deliberately conflating the employer contribution made by the US gov't to its employees' health insurance with a "subsidy" is grossly dishonest. They are two separate things entirely and your and the GOP/Teatrolls' efforts to pretend they are no different is disgusting. Employees EARN their employer's contribution to their health insurance. It is part of their compensation package and is in no way, shape or form a "subsidy." The "subsidy" is gov't assistance for those shopping in the exchanges who need assistance due to their income level, etc. Pretending they're the same thing is a big fat lie, particularly since you cannot get both at once. Receiving health insurance through your employer with an employer contribution disqualifies you for the subsidy. Grow up and stop lying.

    The real comparison: The federal gov't contributes approximately 72%-75% to its employees' health insurance. In the private sector, it averages 82% contribution from employers.

    October 30, 2013 11:09 am at 11:09 am |
  20. GOP = Greed Over People

    "When will we get the apology about the frustrating experience of obamacare itself"

    How about right after the GOP TP terrorists cut me a check, for my share of the 24 BILLION their temper tantrum cost me?

    October 30, 2013 11:15 am at 11:15 am |
  21. Casey

    Who was the rep who asked the question about abortion?

    October 30, 2013 11:18 am at 11:18 am |
  22. scrappyone

    @Data Driven

    Ms Sebelius said it herself if you were listening. If not watch the replay.

    October 30, 2013 11:22 am at 11:22 am |
  23. GOP = Greed Over People

    "So where's my 75% that's being subsidized by the US taxpayer? Funny how you just leave that information out. My company changed our plan and it's a large corporation. I don't get the subsidy. It's not the same no matter how many big words you use and no matter how many times you say it. It's not the same."

    You are getting your "subsidy" your are just too dense to realize it. The portion of your health care costs that the company pays is considered income, however, because they are paying it and NOT you, your are NOT paying taxes on that portion of your income.

    So, you are getting subsidized and using Cunuck Cruz's wife as an example, when she added him to her policy, which was valued at 20K per year, it save the Canuck Cruzes approximately 8200 in taxes.

    Your play.

    October 30, 2013 11:25 am at 11:25 am |
  24. Rudy NYC

    Fair is Fair wrote:

    The employer mandate was ILLEGALLY delayed by Obama. What's your point?
    ------------------------------------
    Too many employers did nothing to prepare themselves to implement the ACA. Some put too much faith in Republicans repealing the law, or overturning it. Others were unable to prepare because the government wasn't doing an adequate share of its' work to get prepared by working with the companies due to obstructions in the Congress.

    October 30, 2013 11:25 am at 11:25 am |
  25. Data Driven

    @Fair,

    "The employer mandate was ILLEGALLY delayed by Obama. What's your point?"

    Debatable. If it's such a Constitutional travesty, let's put that delayed mandate to the test by suing the government. For the record, I was also angered by this delay, so I sort of agree with you.

    October 30, 2013 11:32 am at 11:32 am |
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