November 5th, 2013
07:24 AM ET
10 months ago

Debunking 4 Obamacare myths: Both sides get it wrong

Washington (CNN) - For four years, we've witnessed a non-stop political donnybrook over Obamacare.

Now rhetoric has again reached a fever pitch since the botched October 1 launch of the new insurance exchanges at the heart of President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms.

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  1. Gurgyl

    @Dominican mama, honey, nothing wrong with ACA. It is a bribe, game by GOP thugs. That's it. It gets much cheaper too at cost wise. So only insurance thugs are bribing GOP.

    November 5, 2013 09:33 am at 9:33 am |
  2. Data Driven

    @DM4O,

    "But the truth is that you're still tripping about not being preggers and having maternity leave that you will never use, as if this plan had been tailor made just for you
    Not even disingenous. Just another fishing expedition.
    I don't fish."

    I sent Tom on a homework assignment, in which he'll learn that maternity leave, medical prescriptions, hospital visits, and other "luxuries" are standard items covered by decent insurance plans, and those items are covered ACROSS THE BOARD for all policyholders. Apparently, he was used to the "health care coupon" plans where about the only thing covered is standard check-ups with a GP.

    November 5, 2013 09:35 am at 9:35 am |
  3. smith

    @Rudy-I knew you couldn`t resist the thought of evil GOP hackers being responsible for the ACA website debacle. What`s wrong can`t accept the fact that Obama is not perfect.

    November 5, 2013 09:35 am at 9:35 am |
  4. Lynda/Minnesota

    @Dominican mama:

    Not even disingenous. Just another fishing expedition.
    I don't fish.
    --------------

    There's a bait and hook story in there somewhere!
    Nibblers and biters.

    November 5, 2013 09:40 am at 9:40 am |
  5. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    @ The Real Tom Paine
    . Now, through a new career and our hard work, we have battled back, and the help Oabma has thrown to families like mine means I will take his word over the people who's idea of 'freedom" almost pushed me into backruptcy
    -------------------------------------------------
    Wow to your personally revealing post Tom.
    You're exactly the kind of folks the President had in mind when he staked his poltical career on passing ACA.
    I remember him very clearly saying: 'I may be committing political suicide but I know it is the right thing to do".
    THAT sentence is trust inspiring.
    I wish you, and your family the very best.

    November 5, 2013 09:40 am at 9:40 am |
  6. Larry in Houston

    the repubs needs to get away from trying to constantly defund or de-bunk this thing....They need to focus on who their person is going to be, or at least find out who they've got, for the next election...as for now, they have absolutely nobody, other than Christy.......and if Christy goes up against anybody else in the GOP primaries, and they slam him, they are going to be in big trouble !! He's the only guy they've got !! If they don't coalesce around Him, they won't have a chance...

    November 5, 2013 09:42 am at 9:42 am |
  7. Data Driven

    @Larry in Houston,

    "The Dr.s that are dropping out of the new AHCA act, is because it's going to hurt their bottom line. In other words, instead of making a 6 or 7 figure income, they will be making a 5 or 6 figure income, especially when there is a flood of people coming into the medical field, from other countries. They will be tickled to death to make that kind of money."

    I suspect you're absolutely correct. We will have to import doctors from other countries to keep up with demand. Our homegrown breed will soon learn that the totemic worship accorded them will be taken down a few pegs, along with their salary and their tee-time opportunities.

    Obamacare is about health INSURANCE. I always remember this when I read about doctors grumbling about it. Hey Sawbones: just be quiet and give me my flu shot. Oh that's right, the nurse who makes 300% less than you will do that, anyway.

    November 5, 2013 09:44 am at 9:44 am |
  8. RandyIA

    Gurgyl

    @Rick McDaniel, truth is your Bush, Reagan already destroyed this nation, nothing further to destroy any more. At least be glad it is now recuperating from their Blow. Stocks are living proof and our Dollar too. ACA is a Law. End of the Argument.

    ACA is the law is worst line you could use. 2nd Amendment is the law, DOMA is the law, Federal drug laws, are the law. They are changed, or removed all the time.

    November 5, 2013 09:49 am at 9:49 am |
  9. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    @ Data
    I sent Tom on a homework assignment,
    -------------------------------------------------
    I saw that Data and unfortunately you just gave him the answers so now he'll be back here tout suit with more "I really wanna know" inquiries!
    I don't know how all of you do it. I just don't have the patience.
    Did you read Tom Paine's post?
    Now THAT'S deep.

    November 5, 2013 09:51 am at 9:51 am |
  10. ST

    @ Rudy NYC
    You never solve a problem by creating another or by just doing the blaming. Once you realise the problem exist, then you work hard to find a solution and put the blame aside. Blames never help anyone, BUT coming up with solutions do.

    November 5, 2013 09:52 am at 9:52 am |
  11. rs

    Funny, I guess we're all still waiting to hear what the Republicans are either offering as an alternative to the ACA, or what specific bills they have lined up to fix perceived problems within the ACA.

    Oh, yeah. They don't have any.

    They like the current system where one American dies every 12 minutes directly because of the lack of medical insurance coverage; they like that insurance rates have climbed nearly 800% in 20 years; they like that 40 million Americans have no healthcare insurance; they like Insurance companies being de facto "Death Panels"; they want to strip away Medicare and Medicaid- because that won't affect their base- the 1%, or those who long for the "freedom" to die from preventable disease.

    November 5, 2013 09:52 am at 9:52 am |
  12. Rudy NYC

    Plans may differ slightly in different states. Here are the plans the were proposed for one state.

    Benefits** Bronze Silver Gold Platinum
    ----------------------------
    Deductible $5,000 Med/Rx $2,000 Med $0 $0
    Preventive $0 $0 $0 $0
    Doctor’s Office Visits $60 for first 3 $45 $30 $20
    Specialist $70 after deductible $65 $50 $40
    Generic Rx $19 after deductible $19 $19 $5
    Brand RX $50 after deductible $50 after $500 Rx deduct $50 $15
    Lab Testing 30% after deductible $45 $30 $20
    X-ray 30% after deductible $65 $50 $40
    Maternity 30% after deduct 20% after deduct $600 per day HMO***/20% PPO $250 per day HMO***/10%
    Out-patient Surgery 30% after deduct 20% after deduct $600 HMO/20% PPO $250 HMO/10% PPO
    Hospital Stay 30% after deduct 20% after deduct $600 per day HMO***/20% PPO $250 per day HMO***/10%
    ER Visit $300 after deductible $250 after deductible $250 $150
    Urgent Care $120 after deductible $90 $60 $40
    Out-of-Pocket Max $6,350/$12,700 (ind/fam) $6,350/$12,700 (ind/fam) $6,350/$12,700 (ind/fam) $4,000/$8,000 (ind/fam)
    Details Bronze Plan Silver Plan Gold Plan Platinum Plan

    Sorry, you cannot post columns and tables very well around here. But, there are five vertical columns.

    November 5, 2013 09:53 am at 9:53 am |
  13. tom l

    @Data
    So the reason I am paying for maternity is due to the liberal point of view is that it is all about pooling all of our resources into one pie so that everyone is covered. But the problem with that is that I shouldn't have to do that. This is the United States and if I CHOOSE to support someone else, then great. But I should not be compelled to. This country was not founded on a communal goal. We are supposed to take care of our own selves. It was a rhetorical question when I asked it because I knew the liberal would think one way, a libertarian would think another and a conservative would think another way. Period.

    November 5, 2013 09:53 am at 9:53 am |
  14. Dominican mama 4 Obama

    Lynda/Minnesota

    @Dominican mama:

    Not even disingenous. Just another fishing expedition.
    I don't fish.
    ----–

    There's a bait and hook story in there somewhere!
    Nibblers and biters
    -------------------------------------------------
    He wears me out babe!
    I want to write "LOL" so badly but I'm afraid Ol' Yeller will get on me for it!
    His post yesterday addressing how with it the rwnj's thought themselves to be for using "EL-OH-EL" had me in stitches.

    November 5, 2013 09:56 am at 9:56 am |
  15. tom l

    @The hippies
    "@Tom I, it's actually fairly simple. Obama is not an expert in health insurance coverage. He has hundreds of advisors. These advisors also have many advisors. If 66 advisors tell Obama one thing and 44 tell him another, Obama has to decide which one to believe. Sometimes his choice can be wrong, sometimes the advice is bad. This doesn't make him a liar. Why would he lie, knowing what a mess a lie would make. He obviously acted on poor advice! I'm sure Rudy or Data or one of the other logical thinkers could explain this better."

    Hmmmmmm. Very interesting. So then, by that logic, you can't call George Bush a liar for Iraq. I mean, If 66 advisors tell Bush one thing and 44 tell him another, Bush has to decide which one to believe. Sometimes his choice can be wrong, sometimes the advice is bad. This doesn't make him a liar. Why would he lie, knowing what a mess a lie would make. FIFY

    November 5, 2013 09:56 am at 9:56 am |
  16. Rudy NYC

    smith

    @Rudy-I knew you couldn`t resist the thought of evil GOP hackers being responsible for the ACA website debacle. What`s wrong can`t accept the fact that Obama is not perfect.
    -------------------
    I admit that the degree of incompetence on display with the web site made me wonder if someone purposely sabotaged it. Keep in mind, though. It was private contractors that did the programming work, not the Obama administration. Strangely enough, the same contractors were able to produce fully functional state web sites.

    I find it curious that only the federal web site is totally dysfunctional. It's an aberration, to say the least. One must wonder. How can the same people get it right repeatedly over there and there, and totally blow the same task right here?

    November 5, 2013 09:58 am at 9:58 am |
  17. tom l

    @The Real TP,
    I'm sorry for your bad experience with regards to healthcare but unfortunatley you completely danced around my question. It's also noteworthy that if you don't trust insurance companies then why would the ACA completely be reliant on insurance companies.

    He clearly misled us. He told us that we could keep our plan. Period. That means that we could keep our plan if we liked it. Period. There were ZERO qualifiers. It was an absolute statement and when people like me said this could not be possible, we were berated (probably called racists) and told we didnt' know what we were talking about.

    November 5, 2013 10:00 am at 10:00 am |
  18. If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep It

    Try to sugar coat it all you want. Obama had to lie about keeping "if you like your plan you can keep it". Otherwise the ACA would have never passed.

    November 5, 2013 10:01 am at 10:01 am |
  19. tom l

    @Data,
    I have answered your question.

    November 5, 2013 10:04 am at 10:04 am |
  20. Fair is Fair

    tom l

    @Data
    So the reason I am paying for maternity is due to the liberal point of view is that it is all about pooling all of our resources into one pie so that everyone is covered. But the problem with that is that I shouldn't have to do that.
    --------
    tom, I'm usually on the same wavelength with you, but on this one, I'm not. Insurance is all about a pooling of risk. Take for example, cancer. Men can't have ovarian cancer, but built into their premuims somewhere they're paying for it. Likewise, women can't get prostate cancer. Ans so on and so on and so on. If health insurance policies were so a-la-carte like that, they would be nearly impossible to underwrite, never mind adminster. Methinks you need to let ths one go.

    November 5, 2013 10:05 am at 10:05 am |
  21. tom l

    What a fascinating experience and it just shows how hardened our positions have become. Not one of the liberals on here would acknowledge a clear lie by our president but are so quick to point a lie by Bush. A liberal will quickly call Bush a liar about Iraq but won't say the same about Obama who made an absolute statement (emphasized with "period" at the end) and completely changed it yesterday. A conservative will quickly call Obama a liar about IYLYPYCKI but will then will defend Bush and say he didn't lie about WMDs.

    This is a lesson for all of us, folks. It just shows that we have little perspective of the other side and have no desire to learn why someone feels the way they do. Rather, it is the goal of every commenter here to prove why they are right and why their guy is great. It's sad, actually. And I would say that both Bush and Obama have led us down this path of absolutism with no need/want to understand the other side. Just stupid, snarky comments about why I'm an idiot and why you are so smart and compasssionate. Fascinating.

    November 5, 2013 10:11 am at 10:11 am |
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