November 6th, 2013
01:59 PM ET
1 year ago

GOP focuses on overall Obamacare troubles, not just website

Washington (CNN) - It's not about the website anymore.

Republican foes of Obamacare still use words like "disaster" and "epic" failure in describing problems with HealthCare.gov, the portal for enrolling in President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms.

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  1. Tampa Tim

    sonny – Great point! According to Fair's logic, we should not include all 4500 American troops who were killed in the republican wars because some would have died any way. That would also lower the couple hundred thousand Iraqi civilians who died, because some would have died anyway.

    November 6, 2013 02:51 pm at 2:51 pm |
  2. Sniffit

    "GOP act like insurance costs weren't going up before Obamacare. "

    Not surprising: they act like the elderly were just fine and dandy before Medicare and like individuals relying solely on the private financial industry to save/invest for retirement was causing zero problems and came with zero risks prior to Social Security. Clearly, we enacted all of these things because of imaginary problems.

    November 6, 2013 02:53 pm at 2:53 pm |
  3. Fair is Fair

    Tampa Tim

    Fair – 45,000 is the number that died who did not have insurance.
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    My point exactly. The reason for their death was not BECAUSE they did not have insurance. So tell me, Tim... let's say a young man gets gunned down on the streets of Chicago in a gang drive-by and dies. For arguement's sake, let's say this young man had no insurance. Does that make him #45,001?

    November 6, 2013 02:54 pm at 2:54 pm |
  4. Denise

    Herein lies the reason for the media hysteria, "the GOP focuses on"......

    November 6, 2013 03:04 pm at 3:04 pm |
  5. Fair is Fair

    From factcheck:

    "Now, on to the tough question: Is the 45,000 figure accurate? We can’t say for sure, but scores of other studies also conclude that persons without health insurance have a higher chance of dying prematurely than those with health insurance."
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    And so do those who are obese, those who smoke, and those who have inherited genetic defects. It's not the SOLE reason.

    November 6, 2013 03:04 pm at 3:04 pm |
  6. Sniffit

    "Gotta love the leftist talking points that when several millions of Americn citizens lose their health care insurance because their President LIED to them, and they are left to pay 2-3 times more for a replacement, that that is a made up "nontroversy"."

    Gotta love the built-in misrepresentations and lies about premium costs and resulting out-of-pocket expenses that form the premise of your faux outrage. Please proceed. Maybe another faked anecdote will magically convince everyone in the country?

    November 6, 2013 03:05 pm at 3:05 pm |
  7. Denise

    Sniffit......imaginary problems, lol......as if there aren't enough pressing issues with the Mideast, terroism, gun violence, unemployment, Obama and his cronies have to make stuff up to detroy America.....

    November 6, 2013 03:07 pm at 3:07 pm |
  8. Fair is Fair

    sonny chapman

    Hey Fair-Should we exclude some of the Holocaust numbers because some of them would have probably died anyway ?
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    Try comparing apples to apples, sonny. Your example is ludicrous.

    November 6, 2013 03:07 pm at 3:07 pm |
  9. Denise

    To what end or purpose is Obama out to destroy America and make insurance the least affordable for the uninsured?

    November 6, 2013 03:08 pm at 3:08 pm |
  10. sonny chapman

    Hey Fair- I know George W. despised the scientific & academic approach to analyzing problems & proffered to "go with his GUT feelin" or, like w/Putin,"look into his soul", but this is 2103 & not 1492.

    November 6, 2013 03:08 pm at 3:08 pm |
  11. Sniffit

    "The reason for their death was not BECAUSE they did not have insurance."

    1. If your argument is that "they didn't die because they had no insurance...they died because they got sick," then again, please read the studies to see how those folks were excluded.

    2. If you argument is that "it doesn't count if someone would have died anyway, even if their life was markedly cut short in relation to others suffering the same disease process" then again, please read the study to understand under what limited circumstances those folks were included in the number. They took great pains to identify the appropriate situations in which to characterize the death as a result of lacking insurance. You claim to work in the health care industry, so I find it remarkable that you're so ideologically resistant to the fact that people die regularly due to, for example, late diagnoses of otherwise treatable disease processes which, when caught early have extremely high survival rates.

    November 6, 2013 03:12 pm at 3:12 pm |
  12. rs

    And where did doing this get the GOP last month? Their radicals elected to shut down the government, and threatened a fiscal holocaust- and where did that get them?
    This is the psychosis of the GOP- it is no longer about leadership, big ideas, making our nation better- none of that. The GOP is simply motivated by retribution. Today's tool for them then is the ACA, 3 months ago it was Benghazi, and next month who knows what. They are children looking for excuses for their own failings.

    November 6, 2013 03:13 pm at 3:13 pm |
  13. Tampa Tim

    Fair – The question still is, "How many uninsured Americans have to die to get your attention? Give me a number, 1 million, 100000, how many? You can't just post negative crap, surely you must have an idea.

    November 6, 2013 03:13 pm at 3:13 pm |
  14. rs

    just saying

    it was never, repeat never, just about the web site fiasco. that was just another example of why obamacare is a disaster for the american people. 3 years and hundreds of millions of dollars spent and they were warned of the problems but for purely political reasons they blasted forward into the very disaster they were warned about. but they really don't care about the american people as this is all about saving face for obama at this point. the american people are simply acceptable collateral damage to obama and his incompetent administration.
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    Great JS- so what is the GOP's solution? They have no healthcare law, they have no list of fixes for the ACA. All thery have is the status quo- that kills 45,000 Americans a year. Oh, I know the four who died in Benghazi are waaaaaay more important. Look- the Right has nothing here. They offer no assistance, they have no plans, no solutions. They are just noise.

    November 6, 2013 03:16 pm at 3:16 pm |
  15. Denise

    Are dittoheads really that dense in their incessant ramblings about cancellations and maternity care coverage? Chances are Glenn Beck would require a liver transplant before me and Rush Limbaugh needs mental health substance abuse treatment too so I should not have to pay the same premium? What, do you pick and choose now what and when something is covered as part of a standard policy? Heck, I'd be willing to pay out of pocket for some of these clowns to pull their heads out, Colonoscopies are covered too!

    November 6, 2013 03:17 pm at 3:17 pm |
  16. Sniffit

    "My point exactly. The reason for their death was not BECAUSE they did not have insurance. So tell me, Tim... let's say a young man gets gunned down on the streets of Chicago in a gang drive-by and dies. For arguement's sake, let's say this young man had no insurance. Does that make him #45,001?"

    For argument's sake? Hardly. The studies that generated that number very clearly would not have counted such an incident in light of EMTAALA. You just invented an entirely irrelevant and ridiculous example that was absolutely and clearly excluded from the studies methodologies for determining who "died for lack of insurance." Thanks for playing. Read the studies and stop lying about them and pretending that they invented fake numbers out of thin air.

    November 6, 2013 03:17 pm at 3:17 pm |
  17. rs

    Gotta love the leftist talking points that when several millions of Americn citizens lose their health care insurance because their President LIED to them, and they are left to pay 2-3 times more for a replacement, that that is a made up "nontroversy".
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    So you have NO CLUE how the insurance industry works is what you are telling us here. Is that correct? You believe the President of the United States controls an industry?

    November 6, 2013 03:19 pm at 3:19 pm |
  18. Sniffit

    "Fair – 45,000 is the number that died who did not have insurance.
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    My point exactly."

    Yeah, your point exactly is to take Tampa Tim's innocently incorrect articulation of the studies' findings to play semantic games that deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent what the studies actually found. READ. THE. STUDIES. AND. STOP. LYING. You claim to be in the health care industry on the provider side and you have no familiarity with this information? Responsible!

    November 6, 2013 03:21 pm at 3:21 pm |
  19. rs

    Fair is Fair

    Tampa Tim

    Fair – 45,000 is the number that died who did not have insurance.
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    My point exactly. The reason for their death was not BECAUSE they did not have insurance. So tell me, Tim... let's say a young man gets gunned down on the streets of Chicago in a gang drive-by and dies. For arguement's sake, let's say this young man had no insurance. Does that make him #45,001?
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    No, that makes him 1 of about 7,000 killed needlessly in gun violence because the GOP is too affraid of the wackos of the NRA to pass meaningful background check legislation.

    How about this one- why castigate the President (or whomever in your conspiratorial world) about the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi? After all -weren't they apt to die as well?

    November 6, 2013 03:23 pm at 3:23 pm |
  20. Joan

    Three quarters of the media coverage of the ACA is about the website glitches and people who are losing their insurance coverage. Well, the website will get fixed so get over it. Thousands of people have been dropped by insurance companies for years for getting sick, reaching a maximum amount or having a predisposed condition. They also have been gouged for years with unrealistic premiums which are grossly out of whack with other civilized countries.
    Why doesn't the MSM run fair and balanced stories about the hundreds of thousands of people with predisposed conditions who can now get coverage, about the young people who can be covered on their parents plans until they get settled and about the people who can't be cut off because they have reached a certain plateau. Seriously, other civilized countries are baffled by the US reluctance to take care of all of its citizens. The obstructionism, criticism and ignorance spewed towards a plan whose aim is to help people stay healthy is beneath a country like the United States.

    November 6, 2013 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  21. Sniffit

    "Why doesn't the MSM run fair and balanced stories about "

    Because "fair and balanced" means "deliberately spun in order to make both sides look equal, even when the objective data and evidence does not sup[ort such a false equivalence."

    The only point here is to avoid accusations of bias, not to actually BE unbiased. What the MSM fails to accept is that forcing false equivalencies is actually a form of bias.

    November 6, 2013 03:42 pm at 3:42 pm |
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