December 27th, 2013
12:18 PM ET
4 months ago

NSA gets win in court over bulk data collection

(CNN) – The National Security Agency notched a much-needed win in court, after a series of setbacks over the legality and even the usefulness of its massive data collection program.

A federal judge in New York ruled Friday that the National Security Agency's bulk collection of data on nearly every phone call made in the United States is legal.

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  1. Tampa Tim

    So section 215 makes Snowden a traitor. He is the one person who has released more top secret information than Darrel Issa.

    December 27, 2013 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm |
  2. Rudy NYC

    A federal judge in New York ruled Friday that the National Security Agency's bulk collection of data on nearly every phone call made in the United States is legal.
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    Correct. Collecting the phone call metadata is no different than a state trooper sitting along the side of the highway noting what types of cars pass by, what color they are, how fast they're going, etc. as he looks for the unusual.

    December 27, 2013 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
  3. Tommy G

    Our government and its intel agencies are out of control. There has to be some limits on what they can do. Obama is a thousand times worse than Bush with this stuff and his minions have even lied to Congress about it. Just more lies from the Liar of the Year's administration. Like they say, the fish rots from the head.

    December 27, 2013 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm |
  4. O'drama ya Mama

    Rudy NYC

    A federal judge in New York ruled Friday that the National Security Agency's bulk collection of data on nearly every phone call made in the United States is legal.
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    Correct. Collecting the phone call metadata is no different than a state trooper sitting along the side of the highway noting what types of cars pass by, what color they are, how fast they're going, etc. as he looks for the unusual.
    December 27, 2013 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
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    Great analogy! The cop can see all that but still doesnt know who or what is in the car or what the people are talking about. The main issue with the NSA thing is that people dont exactly understand what metadata is. I feel if people knew exactly how this program worked they wouldnt be as crazy about it. Its the not knowing that drives people nuts.

    December 27, 2013 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm |
  5. Dutch/Bad Newz, VA -aka- Take Back The House -aka- No Redemption Votes

    "But the question of whether that program should be conducted is for the other two coordinate branches of government to decide."
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    Which is why we have an Executive and a Legislative branch of government. Snowden is a defector & a traitor. I can't tell what his intentions were when he FLED the country with TOP SECRET information.

    December 27, 2013 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  6. Tampa Tim

    Tommy, Tommy, Tommy – You need to talk to IA about that delusion and paranoia.

    December 27, 2013 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  7. Rudy NYC

    O'Drama wrote:

    Great analogy! The cop can see all that but still doesnt know who or what is in the car or what the people are talking about. The main issue with the NSA thing is that people dont exactly understand what metadata is. I feel if people knew exactly how this program worked they wouldnt be as crazy about it. Its the not knowing that drives people nuts.
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    Most people have never even heard of the word before now, much less understand what it actually means. Metadata is data that describes data. For example, metadata about a Socail Security number would say that it contains nine digits is usually writtne in a form that looks like this ###-–##-–####.

    Metadata is a means to describe everything of a given type. Metadata could be considered adjectives, and the actual data could be considered to be nouns. The adjectives describe the noun,: red apple. The word 'red' does not describe the content of the apple. The word 'sweet' could be used to describe the content of the apple, but without sampling the actual apple, then 'sweet' is pure speculation, unsubstantiated by any hard data.

    December 27, 2013 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  8. Gurgyl

    If Derrel Issa gets money, he will release secrets too. He is as pathetic as Snowden.

    December 27, 2013 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  9. Sniffit

    " I feel if people knew exactly how this program worked they wouldnt be as crazy about it. Its the not knowing that drives people nuts."

    Precisely...which is why the MSM works so hard to avoid informing them.

    December 27, 2013 01:31 pm at 1:31 pm |
  10. IA

    Tommy....Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain (Tampa Tim). He is buffonishly entertaining but has no other redeemable qualities.

    December 27, 2013 01:40 pm at 1:40 pm |
  11. Marcus (from...?)

    OK, I agree that what NSA does is very important to the USA security, that the program is necesssary and that Rudy's analogy explains it as it is.
    Problem is that what proof do we have that that was all that NSA did?
    Every time Snowden opens his mouth an ally calls the US ambassador in its territory and tells him/her 'Say what?' simply because NSA 'forgots' that they don't have jurisdiction over other countries' metadata. And if they 'forgot' that, then what else was part of their 'selective amnesia'?
    The issue is relevant and should not be dismissed as 'acts of treason' merely.

    December 27, 2013 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  12. Silence DoGood

    @tommyg "Obama is a thousand times worse than Bush with this stuff "
    I think it is hard to beat Bush lying and misreading intelligence ("this stuff") and causing 1000's to die in a needless war.

    December 27, 2013 02:57 pm at 2:57 pm |
  13. Tommy G

    Silence DoGood
    @tommyg "Obama is a thousand times worse than Bush with this stuff "
    I think it is hard to beat Bush lying and misreading intelligence ("this stuff") and causing 1000's to die in a needless war
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    You mean like both Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton also did? As well as many, many others in the Democrat Party? As well as many, many other intel agencies from other countries? Yeah, you got there little Dogooder. Maybe you need to go back and look at how many others were saying the excat same thing based on the available intelligence. And after Saddam was caught, he admitted to engaging in activities to make us and his other enemies believe he had massive stockpiles of WMD.

    But you will surely not endanger your little bubble world with facts.

    December 27, 2013 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  14. Rudy NYC

    Tommy G wrote:

    You mean like both Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton also did? As well as many, many others in the Democrat Party? As well as many, many other intel agencies from other countries?
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    Not so, Skipper. The only countries that claimed to have direct intelligence about Iraqi WMDs were America, England, and a vey quiet Israil. The UN Weapons Inspectors that had been on the ground for years had found nothing. Other countries relied on the inspectors' reports, not US Intelligence.

    We almost dropped the first bombs on the heads of the UN Inspectors, too. Their plane had barely made it an hour out of Baghdad before bombs starting raining down on Baghdad Airport. One hour. That means that the initial attack aircraft were already enroute before the Inspectors' plane had even taken off from Baghdad Airport.

    December 27, 2013 03:39 pm at 3:39 pm |
  15. Marcus (from...?)

    Tommy G – Many (D)s in Congress and outside it regret to this day, and will regret like forever, that they believed in the fabricated lies given to them by the previous POTUS. The non-existant connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda, the WMDs and all else. They were official reports from the intelligence branch of the govt., and all were either lies or gross misinterpretations of facts (technically not lies yet...)
    'But you will surely not endanger your little bubble world with facts' is like hearing Craig Cobb trying to dismiss the DNA analysis that proved that he, white supremacist trying to establish a 100% 'white' community in the small town where he lives (against the wishes and will of most of his neighbors), has 14% of 'black' DNA...
    Laughable.

    December 27, 2013 03:45 pm at 3:45 pm |
  16. Rudy NYC

    Marcus (from...?)

    Tommy G – Many (D)s in Congress and outside it regret to this day, and will regret like forever, that they believed in the fabricated lies given to them by the previous POTUS.
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    What Tommy G, and so many others on the right, like to forget is that the Bush administration told us that they couldn't reveal the sources of their intelligence because of national security interests. They didn't reveal to the Congress what the exact sources of the information were. The Bush administration simply conducted oral briefings with members. I'm not sure if they went to the length of actually printing reports because of the claimed security risks. They didn't want to jeopardize the "embedded intelligence sources."

    December 27, 2013 03:53 pm at 3:53 pm |
  17. Silence DoGood

    Typical conservative double speak from TommyG. He expects us to buy:

    Bush as President and Commander in Chief of the United States military had essentially no responsibility for telling the American people to trust him while he lied (WMD) and lied bigger (AlQueada), and sent 1000's on both sides to their death needlessly.

    Yet Obama is labeled an evil tyrant based on every little Tea Party rumor true or not from birth certificate on.

    December 27, 2013 04:05 pm at 4:05 pm |
  18. wendel

    people put out all their personal info on face book twitter and all their credit cards and now act like their privacy has been infringed on. get real. Policy already in place when Obama took office and the repos loved it up until now . Now lets blame the prez. Court is right and snowden is a jerk. I mean he was so scared he took off to china and the soviet union countries well know for their human rights. They really care about their peoples privacy right?

    December 27, 2013 04:42 pm at 4:42 pm |
  19. just asking

    ok people, do you honestly believe that the nsa is not listening and recording every phone call? grabbing every email? every tweet? hahahaha of course they are! do you think they collected angela merkel's metadata?!! yikes... get real for once people.

    December 27, 2013 05:08 pm at 5:08 pm |
  20. Silence DoGood

    Bush – NSA in full spy mode – true American leader on patriotic alert – spying good.
    Obama – NSA in full spy mode – evil socialist dictator – spying bad and Obama invented it.

    December 27, 2013 05:09 pm at 5:09 pm |
  21. Thomas

    I have nothing to hide , enjoy my emails , texts , and cell calls.

    Outsource the information to somebody in a foreign country to decipher .

    December 27, 2013 05:22 pm at 5:22 pm |
  22. Rick McDaniel

    That would be a political court decision.......and NOT one based in law. It is clear that the LAW did not grant them permission to spy on everyone on the planet!

    December 27, 2013 05:45 pm at 5:45 pm |
  23. Marie MD

    Both isaa, the car thief turned politician, and snowden should be tried for treason.
    As far as the NSA all terrorists have to do is sit down with lots of coffee to read people's facebook and twitter nonsense to find out how superficial and self centered Americans can be.

    December 28, 2013 09:33 am at 9:33 am |
  24. don in albuquerque

    Ya know here a few years back I lost a very dear friend in the Oklahoma City bombing. We were close and this time of year I always wish I could have him back if only for a few moments to tell him how much I miss him, and how much I loved his life and portion he shared with me. ISA might have been able to stop McVeigh from murdering all those people, including babies. We will never know. When something like this happens again, and it will, I would hope we have the tools available to maybe stop it.

    December 28, 2013 11:18 am at 11:18 am |
  25. don in albuquerque

    So, Silence DoGood. Should we assume that you believe Bush was a patriot, and Obama is a commie for doing the same thing during a war? You are deluded. Thousands upon thousands of graves filled for no reason should be enough to answer that question for you.

    December 28, 2013 11:28 am at 11:28 am |
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