March 21st, 2014
12:55 PM ET
9 months ago

Inside Politics: Two days of reckoning for Obamacare

Washington (CNN) – This year's first day of reckoning for President Barack Obama's signature domestic initiative is fast approaching. The second is seven-plus months away.

The big question: Will the math on the first have anything to do with the math on the second?

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  1. Rudy NYC

    I've listened to people make claims, over and over, that more people were not able to keep their policies than people who have been able to gain health insurance through the ACA. The administration cites growing numbers 2, 3, 5 million people, while the opposition keeps citing numbers that around 5, 6, or 8 million.

    How is it possible that the numbers of folks who lost keeps growing is beyond me, but it does. At any rate. There is one statistic that not many people are talking about, or maybe they just haven't noticed it, yet. How many folks have been denied health care coverage by Republican governors refusing to expand Medicaid, compared to the number of people who have lost their old policies, but were offered new ones. Let's not forget that last part. They were offered new policies.

    I'd wager that there have been far more people being denied coverage than there have been folks whose substandard health insurance policies were cancelled. I know somebody out there has the resources to run the numbers for me. Seeing how it has been reported that 3/4 of a million in Georgia alone are being denied coverage, I'm certain that the number will exceed the number being thrown around for how many folks had their old policies cancelled.....which they've been allowed to keep, BTW.

    March 21, 2014 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  2. smith

    The first day of reckoning was when this crappy idea was passed into law.

    March 21, 2014 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  3. Tampa Tim

    Check out: ACAsignuo.net for an accounting of sign ups. They anticipate 6.22 million enrollees by the deadline. Along with the other groups, 15 million will be benefitting from the ACA. I know, Hannity says that cannot be right, but he is wrong.

    March 21, 2014 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  4. Tampa Tim

    I see an unhappy poster does not want those with pre existing conditions to be insured. It has to hurt republicans that there are no life time caps, students get to stay on their parents plan, and Medicaid has allowed an additional five million people not living in red states to have access to health care. By the way, Rasmussen has Obama's approval rating at 49% while congress barely makes it to double digits.

    March 21, 2014 01:39 pm at 1:39 pm |
  5. Marie MD

    @smith, "this crappy idea" was first brought up by the then repugs.
    I wonder how how many million of Americans (5 million and counting) who now can afford medical insurance, have no ceiling on costs and can't be denied insurance for pre existing conditions think about your " crappy" crapola.

    March 21, 2014 01:41 pm at 1:41 pm |
  6. Hector Slagg

    Yesser,
    The Web Site is up and will be ready October 1, 2013. Sebelious said it. Well, the best laid plans of Mice and Men. Now let's take this notion the Republican Governors refuse to expand Medicaid. It's because once the states do this they get to pay for it. With many states still in the red. Many Cities are broke and wait for the state to bail them out. Fat Chance. I give you Detroit. Now because many Insurance Companies are going to take a hit, the ACA has it built in that the Tax Payers, again, what else is new, are going bail them out. Obama calls it spreading the wealth around. In other words, raising the National Debt to pay the bills. Real smart.

    March 21, 2014 01:51 pm at 1:51 pm |
  7. Putin's Russia reckoning...!

    Once upon a long time a little man crowned himself "Emperor" and then set out to conquer Russia. The world knows what happened to Napoleon.!

    Today, the age of mass-media another little man emerged and did it in reverse to Napoleon. First he sent his masked army of bandits to invade and conquer ...and then he walked through the golden door and declared himself "Emperor"
    His rationale " I need to protect my people"..."Who the people"?...Russian Nationals and Patriots who now live in
    independent, sovereign countries got it wrong....Want to be Russian simply return to your motherland. "Its big enough for all Patriots"!
    Putin, the Emperor committed an heroic act or just a name change..."CRIME..A"..or .."A..CRIME"

    March 21, 2014 01:56 pm at 1:56 pm |
  8. carlos

    Rudy
    Google "states denying medicaid expansion". The number of people being denied medicaid is about 4,8 million. If they were included, the number of people covered by the ACA would be about 17 million for now.

    March 21, 2014 01:56 pm at 1:56 pm |
  9. rs

    smith

    The first day of reckoning was when this crappy idea was passed into law.
    __________________________________
    It was passed after virtually a year of negotiations with the GOP- who scrapped the single payer option, and demanded the personal accountability clause (from their health care plan from the '90s)- then they didn't vote for it. Does the ACA need fixed? Can it be made better? Sure. 52 votes to repeal the law is all they have offered. When the Republicans get serious, I guess we'll be here.

    March 21, 2014 02:01 pm at 2:01 pm |
  10. edog

    smith

    The first day of reckoning was when this crappy idea was passed into law.

    ---------------------

    Just like when Medicare was passed right!??!!? In 10 years, people will look back and see that this was a good start to something better in the future.

    March 21, 2014 02:01 pm at 2:01 pm |
  11. TONE

    @smith

    The first day of reckoning was when this crappy idea was passed into law.

    Better a crappy idea than none at all, that is what the republicans have to offer nothing nadda just bull.

    March 21, 2014 02:03 pm at 2:03 pm |
  12. rs

    Rudy NYC

    I've listened to people make claims, over and over, that more people were not able to keep their policies than people who have been able to gain health insurance through the ACA. The administration cites growing numbers 2, 3, 5 million people, while the opposition keeps citing numbers that around 5, 6, or 8 million.

    How is it possible that the numbers of folks who lost keeps growing is beyond me, but it does. At any rate. There is one statistic that not many people are talking about, or maybe they just haven't noticed it, yet. How many folks have been denied health care coverage by Republican governors refusing to expand Medicaid, compared to the number of people who have lost their old policies, but were offered new ones. Let's not forget that last part. They were offered new policies.

    I'd wager that there have been far more people being denied coverage than there have been folks whose substandard health insurance policies were cancelled. I know somebody out there has the resources to run the numbers for me. Seeing how it has been reported that 3/4 of a million in Georgia alone are being denied coverage, I'm certain that the number will exceed the number being thrown around for how many folks had their old policies cancelled.....which they've been allowed to keep, BTW.
    ______________________________________
    Here's the thing- and you more than allude to this:
    Without the ACA and regardless of the President's pledge, insurance companies were already dumping policies. As the President and the ACA do not significantly alter the equation, short of federalizing (i.e. taking over) those insurance companies, this is the "market" at work. At least to a point. Sure, the insurance companies can no longer dump you for filing a claim, or limit your care or not cover you for pre-existing conditions (stuff I think GOPpers even support).

    So, here we are with essentially 5-6 million Americans covered- essentially having made contracts with insurance companies for health care. We know that in the vast majority of cases, they got good deals (witness the Koch stooge-$1,200 saved). Yes, in some cases people's rates went up, or they had to change carriers/doctors/plans- but that could have happened anyway-without the ACA.
    What's the GOP's plan? Break those 5-6 million contracts? That isn't legal. They still have no plan, they still have no fixes, and they still seem oblivious to the fact these peoples lives are now better- do they intend to take that away?
    At some point the GOP must consider the results of their inaction or actions upon the real people of this nation. This isn't a high school debate about hypotheticals or political points. Real people have real health issues and need access to real doctors, specialists and hospitals. Unless we socialize the system (which frankly may be the best option), we have to create a system that still allows for corporate for-profit operation, and yet remain some how affordable to all Americans. The ACA is as close as we've come. The alternative does not help the American people as the GOP has laid it out.

    March 21, 2014 02:13 pm at 2:13 pm |
  13. Silence DoGood

    @Rudy NYC
    "... I know somebody out there has the resources to run the numbers for me. "
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    Post any results you find. It will be so refreshing seeing such a wide variety of conservative numbers that are obviously based on the method of "make stuff up" or "repeat what Rush said".

    March 21, 2014 02:18 pm at 2:18 pm |
  14. kurt

    The fact people leave out is that the number of policies cancelled this past year is below the number cancelled each year on average over the past decade.

    Many private polices get cancelled every few years. They then force you to choose between other options they offer. This year many private insurers forced people to the exchanges.

    Many of those with cancelled policies are still finding private policies outside the exchanges as well, and that number is never reported anywhere. I'm not sure if anyone has any clue how much of that has happened.

    March 21, 2014 02:24 pm at 2:24 pm |
  15. Thomas

    Why is it cheeper to have dental implants in Ukraine or India ?

    March 21, 2014 02:28 pm at 2:28 pm |
  16. Ol' Yeller

    @smith

    "The first day of reckoning was when this crappy idea was passed into law."
    Do you ever post or have a real idea(s) of your own, or do you just post the sniveling and whinig you heard the night before on faux news?
    Also, why do you hate the President so much? It wasn't him who caused you to wake up on the day after the Presidential election with a champagne hangover, only to find the guy you thought you had bought and paid for had lost (and lost big- HA!). It was that channel you worship who lied to you, not the Dems.
    Heck, you post on here, why don't you watch CNN... they told the truth (as did NBC, ABC, MSNBC, basically all the channels).
    Methinks thou art projecting....

    March 21, 2014 02:30 pm at 2:30 pm |
  17. Dean

    smith

    The first day of reckoning was when this crappy idea was passed into law.
    ___________________________________________________________

    Brilliant!

    March 21, 2014 02:31 pm at 2:31 pm |
  18. Rudy NYC

    kurt

    The fact people leave out is that the number of policies cancelled this past year is below the number cancelled each year on average over the past decade.

    Many private polices get cancelled every few years. They then force you to choose between other options they offer. This year many private insurers forced people to the exchanges.
    ------------------------------
    Exactly. Insurers have been cancelling policy offerings every couple of years for decades. Most of the "Obamacare victimes" probably would have had their policies changed, modified, or cancelled in some fashion with or without the ACA, just like the rest of us whose policies may not have changed significantly.

    But, Republicans want to blame all of the market forces [read profit] that drive these periodic changes to coverage and policies as being a negative result of the ACA. Well, those assertions are just plain misleading and dishonest.

    March 21, 2014 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  19. Silence DoGood

    @Thomas
    Why is it cheeper to have dental implants in Ukraine or India ?
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    No malpractice insurance and no government regulation. Without any civilized control or regulation or redress mechanism, the Ukraine implant could be made out of plywood and you would be stuck with it. But I bet they can spell there.

    March 21, 2014 02:49 pm at 2:49 pm |
  20. Tony

    Democrats, before you panic, remember the following:

    1) Obama has an approval rating of 48% according to the Rasmussen Poll, a poll known to favor Republicans. He has an approval rating of 43% according to the Gallup Poll, which gave Romney a lead before the 2012 election.
    2) Obamacare has an approval rating of 40%, according to the Gallup Poll.
    3) Only 27% of people have a positive view of the Republican Party, according to a NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll this month. In comparison, 35% of people have a positive view of the Democratic Party.
    4) In other words, Obamacare has a higher approval rating than the Republican Party.

    Democrats, if you go out and vote this November, Republicans don't have a prayer.

    March 21, 2014 02:53 pm at 2:53 pm |