August 17th, 2007
02:59 PM ET
14 years ago

Gays jab at Giuliani over mayoral record

Watch CNN's Jeanne Moos report on Giuliani's latest "endorsement."

WASHINGTON (CNN) - It may not be an endorsement Rudy Giuliani will embrace with open arms as he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination.

"Gays for Giuliani," a satirical organization aiming to highlight the New York Republican's support of gay rights when he was mayor, is the creator of a popular YouTube video that features testimonials from gay New Yorkers on why they "support" the former mayor's White House bid.

"If Rudy Giuliani were here right now I'd want to take his hand and thank him for supporting civil unions because without that I wouldn't have a domestic partner right now," a man says in the video.

"I'm also grateful for domestic partnership plan he implemented in the city cause I've had no less than 5 domestic partners," another man says.

Ryan Davis, a gay New York City theater director and the creator of "Gays for Giuliani," told CNN he wants to highlight, in Davis' view, how Giuliani has backtracked on gay issues.

"He's completely done a 180 on his beliefs," Davis told CNN. "I'm just trying to remind people, hey this is the guy I knew when he was my mayor in NY."

"I would be hard pressed to think of any conservative politician who embraces the gay community like Giuliani does," he added. "I don't know how he can connect that with new persona as friend of the Christian Right."

Giuliani has said he is opposed to same-sex marriage, but supports domestic partnerships and legal benefits for same-sex couples.


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  1. Kate, Miami,fl

    To Mr. Benjamin from New Mexico who wrote that man and woman fit physically emotionally etc. and that the president needs to understand the basics of human life. Gays are not asking for your opinion on what is right because to gays, loving the same sex is right wether you like it or not. The issue is that gays have the same rights as law abiding citizens as anyone else. Gays CAN build a family and continue human race if they so chose just like straight people who are not able to conceive can still build their own families.
    Heterosexuals can oppose to hommosexual marriage just like hommosexuals can oppose to any heterosexual getting married, but that is not the same as taking people's rights away based on what you think is right or wrong.

    August 18, 2007 11:01 am at 11:01 am |
  2. Patrick Peavy Plano, TX

    I love the argument that gay people adopting isn't good for the children. It is so funny that heterosexuals and those hiding in the closet as heterosexuals have raised children since what, the beginning of the human race? All those children turned out perfectly right?

    August 18, 2007 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  3. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    Kate: as I stated, basic human biology teaches the reason for the differentiation in sex; why humans exist as male and female and not as asexual. The purpose for the differentiation of sexes is so that they will join together. This is why man and woman are described as complementary (one of a pair). Homosexual activity is a behavior that rejects this fundamental truth about human biology and human nature.

    Homosexual relations do indeed do harm to the persons; both physically and psychologically.

    One example is medical journals report that men who practice homosexual sex suffer from incontinence (inability to control bowel movements). Why? The human rectum was not designed or did not evolve for this type of activity. Many men are also coming down with diseases that come from being exposed to human feces. If you work in the medical field you would know this.

    Psychologically, repeatedly acting contrary to the truth results in the breakdown of the personality. Many men try to imitate women in voice and dress. They begin acting erratically and without deep reflection - hence accounting for 65% of all new HIV cases in the U.S. every year. People who truly care for each other don't give each other life-threatening diseases.

    Homosexual relations are very dangerous to the persons involved.

    August 18, 2007 01:18 pm at 1:18 pm |
  4. David, Salinas, CA

    To Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    As an American citizen you are entitled to your ridiculous and homophobic opinions.

    But once again I’m speaking as a professional biological psychologist, and you don’t know what your taking about.

    Most homosexuals are perfectly healthy physically and psychologically. More would be if they did not live in a society of ignorance and prejudice.

    Please don’t try to speak for a science you don’t understand.

    August 18, 2007 03:00 pm at 3:00 pm |
  5. Heather Oklahoma City, OK

    Like I said.....Benjamin aka gay hater, I being a bi-sexual female, have never been physically harmed from being with another woman.

    August 18, 2007 03:40 pm at 3:40 pm |
  6. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    David: biological psychology - I studied biology for many years and I know how subjective your field can be and how new it is.

    I'm analyzing the situation from a more fundamental view: why is there a differentiation of sex within the human species and what does this mean? What is the biological and physiological functions of our bodies and what does this mean for human behavior? Is human life a fundamental good and what is its cause?

    These are questions that basic human biology and philosophy give answers to. Because you don't like the answers to these question doesn't mean I don't know what I am writing about.

    August 18, 2007 04:16 pm at 4:16 pm |
  7. David, Salinas, CA

    Even if what you say is true Benjamin (and I assure our readers that it isn’t), I fail to see why your subjective opinion on the purposes of biology require limiting your fellow American’s civil rights.

    Consider these objective facts:

    – business can deny jobs or fire gay workers under "morals clauses"
    – schools can reject or fire qualified teachers for being gay
    – landlords can reject or evict tenants
    – the military discharges openly gay members – including qualified Arabic translators
    – insurance benefits for partners are denied
    – immigration status of partners denied
    – social security and death benefits denied
    – gay couples can’t file joint tax returns
    – gay couples can’t seek redress in wrongful death cases

    Why do your uninformed positions on biology justify this unfair treatment of Americans?

    August 18, 2007 04:57 pm at 4:57 pm |
  8. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    David: since CNN deleted my address to you,let me rephrase it.

    The author of the text for basic human anatomy and physiology teaches the functions of the parts of the human body. This is objective science. You would not call the author a prejudice, bigot, homophobe for the material he presents. If you did, he would think you were odd since it is the truth and he did not make it up but only reports it.

    I, as a rational creature capable of conceptual thinking, agree with over 90% of the human population that one should live in accordance with the very functions and meaning of the human body. This is we live as rational humans and in a healthy mental state. You can call me a prejudice, bigot, homophone, but I only think you are odd for calling me names for stating the truth.

    If you want to spend your academic career trying to find "reasons" which "justify" living contrary to your physical constitution, go ahead. It is a free country, but we are free only so long as we live according to the truth of things.

    People who don't live according to the truth of things (saying gravity does not exist and jumping off a building) are lableled as mentally unhealthy.

    August 18, 2007 04:58 pm at 4:58 pm |
  9. David, Salinas, CA

    No Benjamin, you still don’t get it. Heterosexual humans are acting in accordance with their biology. Homosexual humans are acting in accordance with THEIR biology. So are homosexual cats and dogs and rabbits. It’s a part of the way life works. We don’t fully understand it yet, but it makes no sense to deny it.

    And you haven’t address my point about civil rights. Why should this biological debate influence someone’s right to rent an apartment?

    August 18, 2007 06:06 pm at 6:06 pm |
  10. Val Davydov, Agawam, MA

    Benjamin... I see you are being attacked here. I say you are a fighter and for the good cause.

    Why not legalize polygamy then? Why are we so against polygamy? These people have the constitutional right as well, don't they? The man can easily argue that he loves his five or seven or whatever wives. The answer: because we know it is harmful to our society, our young children. Same thing in gay/lesbian case: it is psychologically damaging and confusing to a young child to be growing up with two moms or two dads.

    August 18, 2007 06:38 pm at 6:38 pm |
  11. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    David: you are the first person I have ever encountered who actually claimed their are 2 different natures (biologies) within the species homo sapien.

    Of course, most people in academia would disagree with you. It is a fundamental teaching that all humans share the same biology or nature; although this one nature exists in two differentiated sexes.

    Our one nature is the reason Beethoven can compose music and hundreds of years later a man in Iraq can appreciate it. It is why when the first man walked on the moon it was indeed a "large step for all mankind."

    It is good to know where you are coming from. Let me know when you write your book on the existence of two biologies within the species homo sapien and I will gladly read it.

    This second biology you write about won't be very successful since it lacks an ability to maintain its survival - save the artificial means of uniting male and female in in vitro fertilization.

    August 18, 2007 07:32 pm at 7:32 pm |
  12. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    Val: you are exactly right. The same "reasons" the homosexual activists are using can be used for issues such as polygamy, as you stated.

    These same "reasons" can be used to "justify" many human behaviors, such as infidelity and pedophilia.

    In regard to David from CA, I've never heard of building a biology based solely on behavior without any consideration for the actual physical characteristics of the species. But anything goes when reason is tossed out the door.

    August 18, 2007 09:13 pm at 9:13 pm |
  13. n.d. - miami fl

    LOL at Chris in FL !!

    "I thought CA was supposed to break off and float away"

    you are a genius, you should be in charge of the world

    August 18, 2007 09:15 pm at 9:15 pm |
  14. Werl Cinta - Fulton, GA.

    Of course Hillary is the candidate of the gays. She always finds ways to champion the most "victimized" people. It's all about being a victim with her.

    August 19, 2007 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  15. David, Salinas, CA

    Val:

    There have been numerous studies, and adopted children with same-sex parents do just as well socially, economically and psychologically as those with opposite sex-parents. You can have religious objections, but please don’t make up science.

    Benjamin:

    What I’ve been telling you is not my own theory, it is the standard scientific model taught in any introductory college biological psychology course.

    Now since this is a political forum, please address the questions of civil rights:

    What does your biological theory have to do with denying homosexuals jobs, housing, medical records or the opportunity serve their nation?

    August 19, 2007 01:38 pm at 1:38 pm |
  16. Val Davydov, Agawam, MA

    David: These numerous studies you are referring to here, actually show that children DO BETTER socially, economically (too early to say) and psychologically when raised by both, mom and dad. Check your facts, please.

    August 19, 2007 08:33 pm at 8:33 pm |
  17. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    David: I never stated that I agree with denying homosexuals many rights. There is such a thing as just and unjust discrimination. We discriminate all the time (choose between two or more things or persons). It is unjust to discriminate based upon illogical reasons.

    People with the homosexual inclination (not theorizing on the cause of this), as all human beings, deserved to be treated with respect and kindness.

    I do not think they should be allowed to serve openly in the military. The large majority of men are naturally opposed to being in close counters with homosexual men. Most men do not want to be viewed as a sexual object by another man. This is in continuity with their natural biology and they should not be forced into a situation that causes psychological turmoil and mitigates against solidarity.

    Homosexuality, in its very essence, is divisive - from the very fact that 90% + of all people are heterosexual and are therefore naturally opposed to being viewed as a sexual object by the same sex. Heterosexuals have the right to act and be comfortable in their surroundings.

    Today, people don't talk about the rights of heterosexuals; the homosexual activists seem to ignore the very large majority of the population.

    One norm may be: does the mingling of heterosexuals and people with the homosexual inclination cause difficulty in performing the job function?

    The military is a definite yes, e.g. showers, sleeping quarters, etc.

    Some people are offended by living near people with the homosexual inclination. Like I said, the issue is divisive in itself.

    August 19, 2007 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm |
  18. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    David: I also have to state that I disagree with you about homosexual couples raising children.

    Nature speaks loudly on this issue. Also, don't even mention heterosexuals with the inability to have children. There is an uncrossable chasm between a biological abnormality such as sterility and an unwillingness to perform the sexual act that results in procreation. One is a physical abnormality and the other is a freely chosen misuse of the body.

    I say freely chosen because every person is capable of controlling their acts. What makes us human is the ability to overcome instinct in action. To be truly human the sexual urge must come under the control of the intellect and the will. This is why we find fault in the rapist but not the lion.

    Children deserve a mother and a father. This is in total continuity with their biology; existing from the union of a man and woman - even if done artificially (which I disagree with). Having a mother and a father is the best environment for a child to develop his/her personality.

    The natural order does not hint at another way. A child can only come from the union of a man and woman.

    August 19, 2007 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm |
  19. David, Salinas, CA

    Val –

    My facts are correct.

    It’s true that children of couples fare better than those of single parents, but it doesn’t seem to matter if the couples are Mom & Dad, Dad & Dad, or Mom & Mom.

    And why don’t any of you amateur psychologists address the civil rights questions I’ve asked repeatedly?

    August 20, 2007 02:34 pm at 2:34 pm |
  20. David, Salinas, CA

    Benjamin –

    Should straight men and women be allowed to serve in the military? They might be inclined to view each other as sex objects, too.

    Race is also divisive. Should we not have integrated the military because many racists didn’t want to live in close quarters with those of other races? I don’t think so. In fact, integrating the military has helped make the whole country less racist.

    You also need to stop claiming that all straight people agree with your sad prejudice. The fact that 90% of people are heterosexual doesn’t mean 90% of people are homophobic. I’m straight and I don’t mind gay people at all. I mind bigots.

    The only people who are caused psychological turmoil by interaction with homosexuals are by definition homophobic. It’s an irrational fear. They need to get over it. YOU need to get over it.

    August 20, 2007 05:07 pm at 5:07 pm |
  21. Benjamin, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    David: you have yet to provide any convincing reasons as to why someone should accept the theory that there are actually two biologies within the species homo sapien.

    Class is in session professor; I am all ears, or in this case, all eyes. Give me the reasons and evidence as to why anyone should accept this theory or "standard scientific model."

    In my humble opinion, stating a second biology - other than male and female - exists within the human species based on behavior and a few MRI's is a far stretch of the evidence. I can only imagine how many other behaviors could then be stated to be a another biology.

    Anyway, please enlighten this prejudice, bigot, homophobe, amateur psychologist (I never referred to myself as a psychologist; although I did enough research with them to know that much of their research will end up in academic journals that no one will read).

    I also wonder how much of this research is being peformed in an unbias fashion (by heterosexuals as well).

    August 20, 2007 09:19 pm at 9:19 pm |
  22. David, Salinas, CA

    Benjamin –

    School just started and my responsibilities are to my 165 students, plus this isn’t a biology forum, so I’d rather we stuck to politics.

    I never said anything about two biologies. There are however many different sexual identities in both humans and thousands of other species. There are as many human natures as there are human beings. Our diversity is our strength. (One evolutionary theory suggest that homosexuality exists to promote social bonding between aggressive males, but that’s not proven science, it’s what we call a “just-so-story”).

    Part of your confusion comes from assuming that body parts have a single clearly-defined function. Things don’t work that way. Hands can wave, scratch or grasp. Eyes can see, glare or flirt. I’ll even bet you can find at least two acceptable functions of the parts you’re alluding to. (Sorry to be cryptic but CNN is deleting me too). Anyway, if someone wants to use part of their body for a non-traditional function, I don’t see how it’s any of your business.

    You’re entitled to your opinions on appropriate genders in parenting, but scientific study does not support them. This doesn’t mean you’re wrong ethically, though I think you are. I’d just rather you made your arguments from Leviticus rather than biology. I won’t presume to argue with you there.

    My point remains that whether you like it or not, homosexuality is a fact of life. And as you said above, all people deserve respect and kindness.

    I’ve enjoyed our exchanges, but I have to go to work. Take care.

    August 21, 2007 06:59 pm at 6:59 pm |
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