September 14th, 2007
09:55 AM ET
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Giuliani blasts NY Times for MoveOn ad

Giuliani said Clinton,, and the New York Times should apologize 'for what they did.'

(CNN) -'s New York Times ad calling into question Gen. David Petraeus' testimony before Congress drew more Republican ire Thursday - this time over the price the non-profit political advocacy group paid for the full-page ad.

The New York Post, citing, reported Thursday that the organization paid $65,000 for the ad, calling it a $116,000 discount from the Times' usual $167,000 price. That prompted a pair of GOP presidential candidates to complain.

Rudy Giuliani, campaigning in Atlanta, blasted the Times and demanded that the newspaper "give us the same rate, the heavily discounted rate they gave for that abominable ad."

And on Friday, the paper published the former New York City mayor's ad that defends Petraeus' record and criticizes Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, for her recent tough questioning of the general.

Newly announced candidate Fred Thompson noted in a campaign speech in Jacksonville, Fla., that the Times gave the group "a discount to make sure it (the ad) gets the widest possible circulation."

There's just one problem. The $65,000 rate is the Times' normal rate for an advocacy ad from a non-profit group, according to newspaper spokeswoman Catherine Mathis.

Mathis wouldn't disclose how much paid for the ad, citing policy, and said the final cost of an advertisement in the paper depends on a number of variables. But, she said, the standard rate for a full-page, black-and-white advocacy ad would be $65,000.

The newspaper took issue with charges from some, repeated in the Post article, that the left-leaning got a "family discount."

"We do not distinguish advertising rates based on the political content of the ad," the paper said in a statement. "In fact, the advertising department does not see the content of the ad before a rate is quoted."

"We believe the broad principles of freedom of the press confer on us an obligation to keep our advertising columns as open as possible," the statement continued. "In fact, there are many instances when we have published opinion advertisements that run counter to the stance we take on our own editorial pages."'s ad appeared in the Times on Tuesday, the first day of Petraeus' testimony. Under the headline "General Petraeus or General Betray Us," the ad said that the top military commander in Iraq "will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war." It also suggested that Petraeus' testimony was influenced by the White House.

During his testimony, Petraeus said that he had written his own remarks and that the White House had not seen them beforehand.

"To state the obvious," he said Wednesday after his testimony was complete, "I disagree with the message of those who are exercising the First Amendment right that generations of soldiers have sought to preserve for Americans. Some of it was just flat completely wrong and the rest is at least more than arguable."

- CNN Assignment Editor Alta Spells contributed to this report

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soundoff (138 Responses)
  1. bprossersme has bought and paid for:
    Hillary Clinton Barack Obama
    John Edwards etc, etc.
    Democrats scared to stand up to
    scum-bags like


    September 13, 2007 05:23 pm at 5:23 pm |
  2. Pete, T.S. FL

    So now he is against freedom of speech. Or is it that he only is against those who oppose his view?

    The gloves came off long ago and the RNC took them off first.

    September 13, 2007 05:30 pm at 5:30 pm |
  3. Rupert, Santa Barbara CA

    Image caption: "Giuliani said Clinton,, and the New York Times should apologize 'for what the did.'"

    Has anyone noticed the high rate of spelling and grammatical errors CNN commits on image captions? In general? Hire someone who knows how to spell, CNN

    September 13, 2007 05:35 pm at 5:35 pm |
  4. George, Urbana, IL

    Every time I look at his face I thought of his unsightly smirk in the Fox debate, when Dr. Ron Paul was answering the question.

    September 13, 2007 05:38 pm at 5:38 pm |
  5. Sue Melbourne, Fl

    Oh Really? Hillary has nothing to apologize for she didn't create the ad. The New York Times also ran the lies of the Swift Vote Vets against Kerry. When Rudy & the Republicans apologize and disassociate themselves from everything that comes out of the mouth of Limbaugh, Ann et al mouths and the smear ad's they run, then will talk.

    September 13, 2007 05:38 pm at 5:38 pm |
  6. David, Dallas Tx

    “Hillary Clinton, The New York Times, should apologize for what they did,”.

    Nice spin. Makes it sound like Senator Clinton's campaign was involved in the ad. Unfortunately for Giuliani, they didn't have anything to do with it. She has enough sense to know the difference between asking tough questions and character assassination.

    To paraphrase another senator from those hearings (the bulk of which I watched): it's not unpatriotic to ask if the tactics we're using are the best possible, to ask if the lives and money we're sacrificing are worth it.

    No senator's questions are unpatriotic. But I would argue that nicknaming General Patraeus "General Betray Us" is., whom I generally support, should be ashamed.

    September 13, 2007 05:40 pm at 5:40 pm |
  7. Lis; Lawrence, MA

    Mr. Giuliani needs to learn to cope with the fact that we're allowed to criticize the President, his policies, and even the military leadership of this country when we believe it's justified.

    And he doesn't get to decide when we believe it's justified.

    September 13, 2007 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  8. Bill, Streamwood, IL

    Where were you Rudy when the Swift Boaters were savaging Senator Kerrey's good name and service record? Giving your Republican friends high-fives no doubt.

    Of course back then, all Republicans disavowed any connection with the Swift Boat people. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more.

    Now, of course, almost every single Republican maintains that all Democrats are connected with and MUST appologize.

    It's that typical GOP double-standard/hypocrisy again folks.

    September 13, 2007 06:05 pm at 6:05 pm |
  9. Joan Nicholson

    Republicans should stop criticizing Democrats for speaking their minds. That is what political discourse is all about. We NEED to hear what the candidates think. This is a free country - isn't it? One can say whatever one wants, right? Or is that right also gone?

    September 13, 2007 06:20 pm at 6:20 pm |
  10. Ed

    According to Abbe Serphos, director of public relations for the Times, “the open rate for an ad of that size and type is $181,692.”

    A spokesman for confirmed to The Post that the liberal activist group had paid only $65,000 for the ad – a reduction of more than $116,000 from the stated rate.

    A Post reporter who called the Times advertising department yesterday without identifying himself was quoted a price of $167,000 for a full-page black-and-white ad on a Monday…

    September 13, 2007 06:22 pm at 6:22 pm |
  11. Charlotte North Carolina

    All Republican comments should be ignored period! They don't have a clue and they live in their own little fantasy world. GO DEMOCRATS 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    September 13, 2007 06:35 pm at 6:35 pm |
  12. Millie T, Phoenix, AZ

    This from a guy who was running around like a chicken with his head cut off on 9/11 because the command center that he demanded (against tons of good advice from experts) be put in WTC was out of commission. Now he runs his whole campaign on what was really his incompetence on 9/11. He shouldn't run for President, maybe he should lead FEMA and maybe build the FEMA offices on a boat made of sticks out in the Bermuda Triangle. That's rudy for ya!

    September 13, 2007 06:38 pm at 6:38 pm |
  13. Pete, T.S. FL


    Your comment means what? Repeat/volumecustomers get better rates.


    Thanks for reinforcing my statement!

    And yeah, had the General said anything but what the "W" Administration told him to, he would have been retired..........such is our system, like it or not!

    September 13, 2007 06:51 pm at 6:51 pm |
  14. Peter D. Walnut Creek, CA

    Rudy Giuliani is polite and well mannered, seems to be a problem for supporters of the liberal Democratic viewpoint. Rudy understands the difference between "debate" and "character assassination".
    I will attempt to translate what Mayor Giuliani said into liberal-speak:

    To Hillary,, and the many many others trying to make political hay out of a bad situation in IRAQ: given the choice you present, believing that either you, or Gen. Petraeus is a scum sucking liar … I think your the liar!
    Correct me if I'm wrong, Gen. Petraeus is not running for office anywhere is he?

    While it is true Hillary Clinton did not call the General a liar, she did say "the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief". What do you expect from someone whose command of the English language allows them to say something like: “A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans, they actually do,” (Hillary Clinton, August 4th 2007, Kos convention)

    September 13, 2007 07:30 pm at 7:30 pm |
  15. Christian, Tampa FL

    Give it a rest, Republicans.

    The ad isn't that bad, and it makes something of a point. We are stuck in a religious conflict that dates back around 1400 years and that we're not going to solve anytime soon.

    September 13, 2007 07:36 pm at 7:36 pm |
  16. Tricia M Charlottetown PEI

    Rudy has no more credability than the other party members which amounts to Zero Credability and Zero Tolerance.

    Rudy also has no Leadership experience which he proved to New Yorkers and all Americans as the result of his failures as Mayor during 9/11.

    Rudy also hasn't much to boast about where morals are concerned, given his marriage failures and Father figure.

    Rudy also hasn't any degree of humility which was exposed to the public by his blantant statement giving himself the same level of praise and credit during 9/11 as the Firefighters and Emergency Crews!

    Rudy has no Political Savy or Experience which he has made more than clear as a Mayor and currently as a Presidential Candidate.

    Rudy hasn't many admirable qualities given he is seen by the majority as a Bush Clone.

    In short, Rudy shouldn't be throwing stones given he lives in a glass house. As Fall is here and it will be getting very drafty at Rudy's place.

    If I was Rudy I'd try to listen more, say less, and hope nobody hears me.

    September 13, 2007 07:44 pm at 7:44 pm |
  17. david knowles

    Giuliani accuses Clinton of character assassination. How ironic:

    September 13, 2007 07:48 pm at 7:48 pm |
  18. Scott, San Angelo Texas

    Again, it unfortunate that the Democrats have to take their cues from Radicals such as Instead of standing up to character assasinations like this ad, all of the dems just skirt the issue. Their complancancy in this issue is trully telling. Its unfortunate that it is not the Democratic party of Rosevelt and President Kennedy (one of the good Kennedys). They would have never stood for anyone doing this to a General. More and more it looks like the moveon.orgs and George Soros are now calling the shots for the democratic party.

    Its one thing to critize President Bush's polocies, but to blantely call General Patraese a liar and everthing esle is wrong. If anyone can't see that then they are stupid. Here's a guy who has served our country faithfully for over 30 years and here comes this bunch of scumbags belittling him.

    September 13, 2007 08:03 pm at 8:03 pm |
  19. Tom Dedham, Mass

    Are you aware that Moveon is also going after that right-wing nutbag journalist Katie Couric because when she showed the seeds to report over in Iraq last week, she was TOO POSITIVE!!!

    They are hammering her for telling the TRUTH, even though those gutless bastards were not there, she was.

    I proudly volunteered and served this country to preserve the right to free speech and I can't ask any stronger, PLEASE KEEP TALKING MOVEON, you are helping my party.

    September 13, 2007 08:09 pm at 8:09 pm |
  20. Patrick, Bartlesville Oklahoma

    Democrats are getting heat for this because they won't condemn it when their republican counterparts will. You see how this has become an issue? Of course they don't have to appologize for things that they didn't create but neither do republicans and they are condemning it. When your counterpart is doing something you are not it raises questions to why you are or are not doing something. If they thought this was so disgusting why won't they condemn it? I will lean heavily to voting for the first mainstream democrat who publically condemns the ad, not just b/c of their stance on this but b/c it shows they are willing to stand up to the powerful Georgo Soros money driven far-left that is slowly taking the democratic party captive. Come on Obama, make us proud!

    September 13, 2007 08:11 pm at 8:11 pm |
  21. EB

    It's hard to picture this bumbling fool as president.

    Where was he when the SwiftLiars were savaging the Dems?

    Rudy, you've milked the 9/11 thing dry – get out while you have a shred of credibility left.

    September 13, 2007 08:15 pm at 8:15 pm |
  22. Danny G. Boca Raton, FL

    Shame on, the ad was un-called for, shame on Republicans for trying to associate this to the Democratic hopefuls... having said that, also double-shame to the Republicans in congress that dare not ask the tought questions in Iraq... I forgot they drank the kool-aid...

    September 13, 2007 08:27 pm at 8:27 pm |
  23. Ed,Ellenville,New York

    They paid the normal rate,this is a fictional murdoch propaganda item.The idiot candidates that repeat such lies such be held to account for it.The posters here who repeat it have some serious reading comprehension issues,it's right in the article!Read the facts before spewing faux news,this isn't fox.

    September 13, 2007 08:30 pm at 8:30 pm |
  24. Scott, Greenville, NC

    We get it, Guiliani, Republicans don't like the ad...sheesh, cry me a freakin' river, Barbara! Surprisingly enough, this brings up an interesting issue. What's the difference between an "issue ad" and any other ad and why would the costs differ at all? The Times says it doesn't matter, the Post said they got quoted a different price...someone's lying or made a big mistake. Because the Post is a worthless fishwrap, I'll err on the side of the Times at the moment, but it could be interesting if there's something to this.

    September 13, 2007 08:41 pm at 8:41 pm |
  25. Radical Hippie, St. Michael, MN

    Apparently the right is still on this 'thing' to limit freedom of speech. Why in world would any sane person want another 4 to 8 years of crap which bushco has put us through?

    September 13, 2007 08:52 pm at 8:52 pm |
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