September 14th, 2007
09:55 AM ET
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Giuliani blasts NY Times for MoveOn ad

Giuliani said Clinton, MovOn.org, and the New York Times should apologize 'for what they did.'

(CNN) - MoveOn.org's New York Times ad calling into question Gen. David Petraeus' testimony before Congress drew more Republican ire Thursday - this time over the price the non-profit political advocacy group paid for the full-page ad.

The New York Post, citing MoveOn.org, reported Thursday that the organization paid $65,000 for the ad, calling it a $116,000 discount from the Times' usual $167,000 price. That prompted a pair of GOP presidential candidates to complain.

Rudy Giuliani, campaigning in Atlanta, blasted the Times and demanded that the newspaper "give us the same rate, the heavily discounted rate they gave MoveOn.org for that abominable ad."

And on Friday, the paper published the former New York City mayor's ad that defends Petraeus' record and criticizes Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, for her recent tough questioning of the general.

Newly announced candidate Fred Thompson noted in a campaign speech in Jacksonville, Fla., that the Times gave the group "a discount to make sure it (the ad) gets the widest possible circulation."

There's just one problem. The $65,000 rate is the Times' normal rate for an advocacy ad from a non-profit group, according to newspaper spokeswoman Catherine Mathis.

Mathis wouldn't disclose how much MoveOn.org paid for the ad, citing policy, and said the final cost of an advertisement in the paper depends on a number of variables. But, she said, the standard rate for a full-page, black-and-white advocacy ad would be $65,000.

The newspaper took issue with charges from some, repeated in the Post article, that the left-leaning MoveOn.org got a "family discount."

"We do not distinguish advertising rates based on the political content of the ad," the paper said in a statement. "In fact, the advertising department does not see the content of the ad before a rate is quoted."

"We believe the broad principles of freedom of the press confer on us an obligation to keep our advertising columns as open as possible," the statement continued. "In fact, there are many instances when we have published opinion advertisements that run counter to the stance we take on our own editorial pages."

MoveOn.org's ad appeared in the Times on Tuesday, the first day of Petraeus' testimony. Under the headline "General Petraeus or General Betray Us," the ad said that the top military commander in Iraq "will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war." It also suggested that Petraeus' testimony was influenced by the White House.

During his testimony, Petraeus said that he had written his own remarks and that the White House had not seen them beforehand.

"To state the obvious," he said Wednesday after his testimony was complete, "I disagree with the message of those who are exercising the First Amendment right that generations of soldiers have sought to preserve for Americans. Some of it was just flat completely wrong and the rest is at least more than arguable."

- CNN Assignment Editor Alta Spells contributed to this report


Filed under: moveon.org • Rudy Giuliani
soundoff (138 Responses)
  1. rich nj

    4 years ago, our commander in chief delclared "Mission Accomplished", now a 4 star general says to us, "we are making slow progress on some fronts". In the meantime our brave military is a worn our group with extended tours and broken obsolete equipment costing America $12 million an hour to maintain the debacle. And the best Rudy can do is scold a democrat for questioning this policy? The integerity of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice is zero with Americans and the world. And the cold blooded murderer of 3000 Americans, bin Laden is still inciting the muslim world to kill even more Americans. We have every right to be angry at our commander in chief for his policy failures and pathetic leadership!

    September 14, 2007 11:17 am at 11:17 am |
  2. Rurik Hover, St. Paul, MN

    I believe in Rudy Giuliani, the Grinch, and Hannibal Lecter... all birds of a feather.

    September 14, 2007 11:21 am at 11:21 am |
  3. Rodney, Harker Heights, TX

    Senator Giuliani, why don't you go and ask your Wives to vote for you. Your only claim to fame is what happen 9/11. I also that you are not the right person to be a president. Soldiers die in Iraq, because of people like you who think you are doing the right, but you are not. When are you and President Bush going to let your Kids join the military to go to Iraq, I think you wouldn't because you don't want them to come in a body bagy.

    September 14, 2007 11:23 am at 11:23 am |
  4. Anonymous

    If you feel that Gen Petraeus is giving a correct picture of Iraq, the how come Adm Falon who is Petraeus's boss has a total opposite views? I think Gen Petraeus is Bush's man and is giving a good spin to keep the troops in Iraq for another 20 years. Guliani when interviwed by Larry King was so pathetic that Obama and Edwards have totally outpaced him. This person is a joke and since he has nothing to argue about, he is taking the heat on Hillary and NY Times.

    September 14, 2007 11:29 am at 11:29 am |
  5. James, NY, NY

    This isn't about Rudy, Clinton or Obama. Why is the New York Times giving discounts to liberal organizations like MoveOn.org and not all other organizations? I don't want the New York Times to apologize. I want them to finally admit that they're a liberal news publication, so that when people pick it up they know that what they're reading is a liberal derivative of the truth. Do we not require all other companies to disclose what ingedients their products contain? Why doesn't the NYT disclose the previous political affiliations of their writers, as the WSJ does with those who write about stocks/companies they have external relationships with. The NYT should either be objective or disclose it's proven liberal bias. We need checks and balances in the media. Also, why is this on the political ticker and not the front page as "Major U.S. Newspaper seeks to further liberal idiology in America".

    September 14, 2007 11:30 am at 11:30 am |
  6. Anonymous

    I guess this is a liberal blog. For a second I though I was on moveon.org's website

    September 14, 2007 11:33 am at 11:33 am |
  7. christian, selden, ny

    Bill, from SC, you are so wrong to just blindly follow a president just because he is the president. this is not how our country was built. our founding fathers were rebels against their leaders. this is why the republicans go after the religous vote. religous people are used to just following with no justification of credibilty so it makes sense for them to follow a president only because he has the word "president" in front of his name. I dont understand how you cant question your leadership. these are the people leading you and they are humans!! hitler led people, nixon led people, saddam led people, Kim Jong leads people today....osama binLaden leads people. we have to understand question leadership might be uncomfortbale, but its the challenges that push people to a higher level. thats why religion and politics dont work together at all. you need real debates, accountability, and checks and balances for a great society. not blind devotion. that only creates downfalls.

    September 14, 2007 11:33 am at 11:33 am |
  8. Joe Green, Philadelphia PA

    Wow, considering these comments on are posted to CNN, I would not have expected that only one or two of them would be intelligent and well thought out.

    This is all about the First Amendment rights that General Petraeus spoke of. MoveOn.org took an cheap shot and got called on it. They have an agenda, no suprise here, and the defenders of our freedom will continue to fight for their rights to be as uninformed and misguided as they want to be. That does not mean that they will not get challenged and called out when the take a cheap shot.

    September 14, 2007 11:34 am at 11:34 am |
  9. christian, selden, ny

    Bill, from SC, you are so wrong to just blindly follow a president just because he is the president. this is not how our country was built. our founding fathers were rebels against their leaders. this is why the republicans go after the religous vote. religous people are used to just following with no justification of credibilty so it makes sense for them to follow a president only because he has the word "president" in front of his name. I dont understand how you cant question your leadership. these are the people leading you and they are humans!! hitler led people, nixon led people, saddam led people, Kim Jong leads people today....osama binLaden leads people. we have to understand questioning leadership might be uncomfortbale, but its the challenges that push people to a higher level. thats why religion and politics dont work together at all. you need real debates, accountability, and checks and balances for a great society. not blind devotion. blind devotion only creates downfalls.

    September 14, 2007 11:34 am at 11:34 am |
  10. Vukoslav E. Aguirre

    General Petraeous calls them as he sees them. At West point he was taught that a cadet does not cheat, lie, or steal. That has guided all his life. Simply ask those officers that have served under him. It is despicable that moveon can not simply debate the issue, but has to resort to punches below the belt. Moveon simply has no credibility.

    September 14, 2007 11:41 am at 11:41 am |
  11. John, New Hampshire

    Freedom of speech is a right of all. Sometimes tolerance of words we find offensive is a price we must pay for freedom of speech.

    If we are not willing to exercise tolerance, we risk losing our freedoms.

    Anger and hate, stupidity and political posturing are not examples of tolerance.

    September 14, 2007 11:42 am at 11:42 am |
  12. leo longo, lake forest, california

    about the comment entered by pete ts in florida: come on. the general is not against free speech. he's against inacurrate speech. or uneducated speech. or stupid speech. you pick. maybe you'll get it right. but wait a minute. you're from florida where voting is suspect. leo in california.

    September 14, 2007 11:42 am at 11:42 am |
  13. Wayne, Greenville TX

    Maybe Rudy should take out a full-page ad and explain to the American people how his bungling of the emergency planning before 9/11 (such as placing the command center at the site of a previous terrorist attack and giving police and firefighters radios that prevented them from talking to each other) actually led to MORE people dying on 9/11.

    And if he's looking for honesty, he should tell the American people how much money he's made over the past six years by profiting personally from his role in 9/11....

    September 14, 2007 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  14. Michae, Boston,Ma.

    Really Rudy! I do not get it the conservative press throws insults at Democrats all the time ( Ann Coulter) come to mind. Maybe Rudy should and the rest of the Republicans should get a life.

    September 14, 2007 11:48 am at 11:48 am |
  15. Ima Retentivesob, Tampa, FL

    There is a typo under the picture caption.

    September 14, 2007 11:49 am at 11:49 am |
  16. David, Gilbert Arizona

    Posted By bprossersme: Moveon.com has bought and paid for:
    Hillary Clinton Barack Obama
    John Edwards etc, etc.
    Democrats scared to stand up to
    scum-bags like Move-on.com

    Moveon.org is a 527 group, which is a tax exempt classification. 527 groups do not directly advocate a political candidate, otherwise they fall under PAC restrictions.

    527 groups are a protected form of free speech under the Constitution as declared by the Supreme Court in the case of Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc.

    Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which was instrumental in the character assassination of John Kerry is also a 527 group. I don't remember Bush standing up to the Swiftboats.

    I guess "scum-bag" depends on which side of the aisle you sit on.

    September 14, 2007 11:56 am at 11:56 am |
  17. Dan (Baltimore, MD)

    Pete, he said he disagrees with the message not their right to issue it.

    George, when good-natured people say things as bizarre as Ron Paul was, they smile.

    Sue & David, Hillary called a distinguished general a liar in roundabout words and didn't denounce the ad. She should apologize.

    Lis & Joan, I didn't hear Rudy say that he wants to cancel the 1st Amendment. He merely said that the comments were wrong. Does Rudy have any less right to critize someone than Hillary?

    Bill & Veronica, The Swiftboaters don't contribute to Rudy's campaign efforts like MoveOn.org does for Hillary. Your argument is nonsense.

    Charlotte, Check newsbusters.org for a dose of which side of the political spectrum floats around in fantasyland.

    Millie, you are obviously unaware of what Rudy did on 9-11. I ask you to view the tapes of a calm, organized, and collected man on that day.

    Pete, Bill, & AJ Are you suggesting that only dems should have the right to free speech? Intesting...

    Bernie, based on what information? From the mainstream media? Now, there's an accurate protrayal of the world. Check newsbusters.org for a reality check

    Steve, I love how your link is to MoveOn to put us all in our place about the facts. It's obvious that they are selling an agenda.

    CL, could you please make some sense or not post?

    Len, I think being on the side of national security is a pretty good side to be on.

    Christopher, Rudy did comment on the testimony. Did you bother looking for it before speaking?

    Sarah, of course it got the same rate. If they didn't, they're whole paper would come down.

    Jessica, yes and did you know that Big Foot, the Locness Monster, and the Tooth Fairy sat down for tea the other day?

    George, thanks for your "expert" analysis, but I think I'll pass for someone who knows something about it.

    J0shLe0, the one channel that doesn't have a liberal bias is constantly under attack. Will you not be satisifed until you have them all?

    Rich, Of course you have a right to feel anything you want.

    OK, now. Let's give Rudy credit for pouncing on what is an important issue. The leading dem candidate thinks that she can call military commanders liars in colorful language when she has at best 1% of the knowledge that he has about the situation. Neither Rudy nor Clinton has military experience, so between the two of them, I'd much rather have the one that trusts and believe in the people who have the most of that kind of experience. I'm glad he went to bat for our distinguished general and I think we should all appreciate that no matter what our political agenda.

    September 14, 2007 11:59 am at 11:59 am |
  18. Greg, Phoenix, AZ

    Does anyone even read the NYT any more?

    September 14, 2007 12:03 pm at 12:03 pm |
  19. T-Bone Minneapolis MN

    PAY ATTENTION TO THE ARGUMENT HERE! THE "UNBIASED" NEW YORK POST GAVE DEALS TO A FUNDAMENTALLY LIBERAL ORGANIZATION LIKE MOVEON, WHILE CHARGING ALMOST TRIPLE TO THE MORE CONSERVATIVE GROUPS. WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU????? YOU SHOULD BE VERY AFRAID OF THIS KIND OF MANIPULATION BY THE SO CALLED FREE PRESS!

    September 14, 2007 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm |
  20. Anonymous

    Giuliani said nothing about the "Swift Boat" ads of the Bush campaign and lied to us Nyers about the conditions in lower Manhattan after 911. He has no standing amoung those who know him! he is a lier and a cheat!

    September 14, 2007 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm |
  21. Jack, Columbia MD

    Boo hoo

    September 14, 2007 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm |
  22. Kim, Midland Mi

    Zelda

    What in the world are you talking about? The reason that Hitler's regime was able to methodically exterminate 6 MM Jews and 6 MM other people is because the people of Germany did not stand up to their own government and speak out. If responsible Germans had taken out a full page ad in the Berlin Times exposing the lies their own government was spewing out, well maybe things would be different and I would have more relatives.

    The United States is a great nation because we not only ALLOW moveon.org to put an ad in the newspaper, we encourage it. That's what the press is for – YOU FREAKING IDIOTS. They are the way people of the US get information that is NOT sanitized or spun by the government. You can watch CNN and Fox, hear different viewpoints and then make your own judgement.

    PS – Hi Sue

    September 14, 2007 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm |
  23. Roger, Atlanta GA

    Petraeus is mostly the reason Iraq is headed for a civil war, first he alienates the Sunni earlier on then he arms the "national police" who turned out to be nothing but shiite death squads, every night on the news we kept hearing, "insurgents dressed in police uniforms executed 20 men on a bus", Duh....so now he claims that he is arming the shiite to defend themselves against al Qaeda and things are getting better because now they are fighting the same enemy, once again....duh, this particular al Qaeda cell ARE Iraqi Sunnis who by the way Petraeus is inadvertedly arming because the Sunnis need to defend themselves against Shiite radicals from Iraq and Iran, thus Shiite are still fighting Sunni but now with our weapons, so how are things getting better?
    I don't know if Petraeus is a smart man or not? But he is totally being manipulated by certain Iraqis groups on both sides with their own self interest.

    Petraeus has been a total FUBAR

    September 14, 2007 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm |
  24. Caebryn, Denver CO

    *NO ONE* who watches Fox News has any business debating inappropriate speech, irresponsible journalism, or character assassination.

    This is a classic case of RDS - "Republican Double-Standard Syndrome."

    September 14, 2007 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm |
  25. Ingrid San Antonio, TX

    We already have slime for president

    September 14, 2007 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
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