MoveOn.org moves from 'betray us' to 'betrayal' ad
The target of a political firestorm this week for its NY Times ad, MoveOn.org is launching a new TV ad next week.
WASHINGTON (CNN) - Five days after MoveOn.org set off a political firestorm by publishing an ad in the New York Times attacking the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, the liberal advocacy group has set its sights on President Bush.
The organization announced Friday it is rolling out a new national television ad campaign next week accusing Bush of "a betrayal of trust."
"Before the surge, George Bush had 130,000 troops stuck in Iraq," states the ad's narrator. "Americans had elected a new Congress to bring them home. Instead, Bush sent 30,000 more troops. "
"Now he's making a big deal about you guessed it...pulling out 30,000," the narrator adds. "So, next year, there will still be 130,000 troops stuck in Iraq."
"[President Bush has] given us a sham draw-down plan — 30,000 troops by next July is not a plan to end the war," Nita Chaudhary, a spokeswoman for the organization said in a statement. "No one is fooled by this. It’s just a political scheme to provide cover for Republicans and run out the clock to the end of his term."
Absent from the television spot is Petraeus, who was accused by MoveOn in its now infamous "Petraeus or Betray us" New York Times ad of not being truthful in his Iraq report for political reasons.
The Times ad claimed Patraeus "will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war." It also suggested that Petraeus' testimony was influenced by the White House.
Eli Pariser, executive director of MoveOn.org, told CNN the group wanted to move past Petraeus in the TV ad campaign and "remind people about the president's role in this as well."
And despite condemnation from members of both parties over the ad in the New York Times, Pariser says he has no regrets the organization placed it, saying, "We're happy it caused people to take a close look at the statistics."
Meanwhile former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a candidate for president, placed his own ad in the New York Times Friday rebutting MoveOn.org and attacking "the Democrats' orchestrated attacks on General Petraeus."
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I guess CNN doesn't like having people post the truth behind the lies of Moveon.org advertisments. I guess that's what we get from the "free press."
General Petraeus testified that the troop levels should be drawn down to pre-surge levels. Bush is taking the advise of his general. It's public information. There is no betrayal.
That sort of takes all the wind right out of the Moveon.org ad.
oh boo hoo Rudy Giuliani...
even if the ads are a little over the top, no one on the right has any room to call for "censure" or "rebuke" in regards to these ads...
Read any conservative publication, and you will see that for years they have been calling liberals "traitors", "communists", "defeatists", "un-american" etc... organizations like Moveon are simply the whirlwind they are reaping for their endless character assasination over the past 6 years. Swiftboats anyone?
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The ad hasn't caused to look more at the statistic, it's confirmed once again that the far left liberals of the world do not understand what it takes for democracy to triumph over terroism!
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Um, the "far left liberals" (or, "moderates") haven't been fighting this stupid, illegal war.
It's been the fascist right. *They're* the ones that have totally screwed America over.
Got it straight now?
Sam said,"Truth hurts, get over it republicans. You're the majority who voted to re-elect the biggest mistake in the history of presidents back into the White House".
Hey Sam! Do you think maybe a Democrat or two voted for GWB? How about a few independent voters?
Oh, by the way, If Al Gore had taken his own home state, he would have been president. Oh and by the way, if you want to elect a president, you need something stronger than John 'waffles' Kerry.
As for the 'biggest mistake in the history of presidents', that would have to be Jimmy 'malaise' Carter.
By the way – Carter didn't win – Ford lost.
The ad hasn't caused to look more at the statistic, it's confirmed once again that the far left liberals of the world do not understand what it takes for democracy to triumph over terroism!
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Where to start... you should look at the stats, start with # of soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians killed or maimed. Also, Iraq is in major crisis, for example, 70% of the people have no clean water and they are leaving their homes out of desperation. Next, how does a moveon.org ad confirm that a "liberal" leader cannot deal with terrorism? Do you believe that bombing a country into submission and ramming democracy down their throat will thwart terrorism? Who was in office when the most deadly terrorist attacks on the U.S. occurred, ON AMERICAN SOIL?! Do you think after Bush's speech just last night, in which he communicates no military withdrawal and permanent U.S. presence in Iraq, that terrorists are not going to retaliate? Our country is sliding further down a slippery slope, I truly feel sorry for the next elected President, but at least W is getting booted back to Crawford. 1-20-09
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But at least this add isnt suggesting Americans who swore thier lives to serve and protect the government in the military as traitors.
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Wanting to bring American soldiers home from a stupid, unwinnable, illegal war is not, of course, calling them "traitors."
Cowards like yourself, more interested in kissing the butt of a coward and traitor like Bush – *you're* the people screwing over our soldiers. *You're* the ones betraying them, crapping on them – by making stay WAY beyond the time any reserve troops have EVER stayed in a combat situation.
James, Phoenix AZ
So now is the time to stop the attack ads? But it was okay in 2004? Where were you during the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" nonsense or the controversial ad attacking Harold Ford?
Hypocrisy! I don't care for these "attack ads" either but at least try to be objective if you truly want to "stop the spin".
Wallace
It doesn't really matter who the add is coming from, because it's true. George Bush has drove this country into the ground both economically and politically. We will be entrenched in a massive debt; our children will be entrenched in a massive debt; their children will be entrenched in a massive debt. Any of you people that are whining about some stupid add, need to get your priorities straight, or, maybe you need to clear the smoke out of your head. Start thinking about the future and the consequences that this absolutely catastrophic failure of a "war" has had and will have on this country.
And don't give me any of this partisan BS, saying that I'm a Democrat, because I am more conservative (traditional) than any of you chicken-hawk neo-cons on here.
Anyone who defends this president and his administration, if you want to call it that, should have their head examined while at Guantanamo. The president is a Terrorist. He's part of the neocon new world order and an anti-christ in his actions. Look up George H.W. Scherff and read what Otto Skorzeny said on his death bed about the Bush.
Posted By James, Phoenix AZ : September 14, 2007 3:47 pm
Yeah, and those poor, welfare-recipient Republicans who are always so honest, so up-front and would NEVER think of robbing the poor to give to the rich. I wonder if Rupert Murdoch, et. al. received this months welfare checks yet ....
All the news stations are commeting on that BEtrayus ad, but say nothing about the 15 million dollar ads from the GOP> TRuth doesn't matter A double amoutee vet says we're winning the war and noe the left wants to surrender, only John McCann is talking about surrender news stations are silent so as not to miss out on that 15million budget. cnn is running the newer ads , they passed the test,
Posted By FPOSharkey – Tampa, FL : September 14, 2007 3:51 pm
Sorry sharkey, but I don't prescribe to the GOP way of politics. That said, I'm guessing you were mighty outraged with the Swift Boaters and Uncle Karl when he destroyed Max Cleland and John McCain, right? I could care less if Rudy paid for an ad that is false, it's his money to spend. However, without concrete evidence, he is blaming people who had absolutely nothing to do with the ad. Enough already – aren't there more important issues to get outraged about? The first MoveOn ad was tasteless – I disagree with the headline of it, but I don't necessarily disagree with the message. This adminstration certainly hasn't given us any reason TO believe them. If you believe that MoveOn's message was that they don't support the troops, nor the war, that's YOUR take and Rudy didn't call anyone out. the point of the ad was that anything that comes out of this administration is suspect, plain and simple.
And, by your implying that the only reason dissenters have the right to protest is because of the Military. While the Military has done their job superbly in protecting us for over 200 years, I believe it was the Founding Fathers who specifically penned this right into our Constitution.
You can stop YOUR whining now.
P.S. – I am not a card-carrying member of MoveOn as you strongly ASS-U-me. Didn't your mother ever teach you to NEVER ASS-U-me?
It's interesting that while persons are very upset with MoveOn.org and it's personal attack on the general, how about many private surveys done by journalists including interviews with the servicemen etc. are saying the war effort is going VERY badly in Iraq by any benchmarks and has become an even more dangerous place.Isn't this reminicient of the noon day follies, where we were to believe the military because they were always so honest.Isn't Bush the commander and chief of said military and this guy's boss.
One thing we can all agree on is our servicemen and women deserve better than being stuck in this quagmire that has no good ending.
Now we are hearing there will be a reduction next year, which is actually the temporary surge. More of the same from the executive branch.
Most of us can understand this was started by a thoughless self indulgent little man who is a spoiled rich dry drunk whose daddy has always bailed his ass outta the messes he made in the past. Not this time and congress of both parties is to blame as well, not the American people who put their trust in these folks.
Myself, I am much more upset that there doesn't seem to be any Democrats out there that have any more backbone than before or this guy in the White House would be facing impeachment. Why? Because they are in line to inherit the Presidents office and all it's expanded power and can't wait to abuse the balance of powers just as the Republicans have. I say vote as many as possible outta their jobs next year of BOTH parties to send them the message that they are accountable for their actions just like you or me.
I dont see a row apon row of hard earned medals on Hillarys chest !!!
This is a great disprespect for a man that has spent years serving his country. IN ways neither Hillary or Bill ever can.
by making stay WAY beyond the time any reserve troops have EVER stayed in a combat situation.
Yeah, because most of the time we would have drafted soldiers instead of spreading the military so thin. This war is being lost by an incompetent President who refuses to put the half a million men we needed into Iraq. The problem was liberals would've prevented the draft in the first place. Apparently the time honored tradition (worldwide) of being called up to serve no longer matters to many in this country. We just here "no war." Guess what, the world doesn't really work that way.
Hey, Morons! Bush never said the draw down was a "plan to end the war" so your accusation that he was trying to "fool" us all is completely ridiculous. The fact is, there is no easy answer to the issues in Iraq. If we weren't there fighting the war and allowed a blood-bath of a civil war to occur, you'd be outraged that we were standing by doing nothing. Each party just wants to criticize the other - it doesn't matter what the issue is.
I have NEVER understood why this country is divided by different political parties anyway. On one hand, we're supposed to be proud Americans - "united we stand, divided we fall" yet party lines are the greatest divider of all. The Pledge of Allegiance claims we're "indivisible" but we've certainly proven that wrong! Here's an idea — forget left wing, right wing, liberal and conservative. How about leading by example according to a high moral code with ethics and justice for all? Forget racism between blacks and whites, racism is rampant between democrats and republicans. There's so much hatred between the two parties, it's sad. I don't think anyone wants to see a war, but you wouldn't like what would be happening right now if we weren't there either. Every time you say the war our brave men and women are fighting is a joke, you're spitting in the faces of the very people that are over there fighting and on the graves of those who have died in the process.
Wallace,
THANK you for bringing up the Swiftboat ads. Can you all PLEASE make a significant distinction between:
1) Swift boat VETERANS that contradicted John Kerry's account and were offended by Kerry's accusations made to Congress as a soldier.
and
2) Moveon.Org (liberal rich kids) attacking General Petraeus who gave a balance report and made his best recommendations. It's up to Congress and the President to make the final call on military orders.
These are clearly two different scenarios.
Posted By Robin, Dalls, TX : September 14, 2007 5:33 pm
For someone who states that there aren't any easy answers to Iraq, you certainly have a talent for over-simplifying things.
The point of the ad is that the ad is meant to call Dubya to the carpet for misleading us into a war of choice. And, since there wasn't any indication of an Iraqi civil war PRIOR to our invasion, there wouldn't have been any need for us to go there in order to QUELL a civil war. I'm outraged that instead of using ALL of our resources in Afghanistan in order to fight the TRUE enemy, we "cut and ran" to Iraq based on ... you guessed it, fabrications. Hence, the MoveOn.org ad that will be published on Monday.
While there has always been divisivness between the parties, the self-declared "Uniter" and his cabal of incompetents have managed to divide this country to degrees we haven't witnessed in YEARS. This Admuddlestration has managed to alienate most of the country and a large part of it is because they find they have no use for the citizens as they do what they want, when they want and to whomever they want, without regard to what their EMPLOYERS think. It's this Admuddlstrations "my way or the highway" credo that has managed to divide this country.
And, no one is saying the war is a joke – just the people who implemented this war of choice. And, just because there are many dissenters to this war of choice, NO ONE is metaphorically spitting on the troops. We dissent because we know this is a war of choice and we are tired of them dying on a daily basis based on manipulation and lies.
Good for MOVEON, When the Repubs get all bent out of shape when the truth hits them in the face it indicates MOVEON is making a real difference in calling the Bush Administration on the lies that got us into this mess to start with. The American public has been bombarded with this right wing propaganda for so long it is hard for them to actually recognize the truth when it is spoken.
This is just about the perfect ad. The criminal Bush regime has betrayed our trust many times and I hope we can finally get some justice. Let's recall what Henry Hyde said about Clinton:
No greater harm can be done than breaking the covenant of trust between the President and the people; between the three branches of our government; and between the country and the world.
CLOSING REMARKS OF THE HONORABLE HENRY J. HYDE AT IMPEACHMENT TRIAL OF WILLIAM J. CLINTON JANUARY 16, 1999
http://www.sentryoveramerica.com/issue5p5hydeclose011699.html
"Tom from Kalamazoo wrote:
"What's exactly what I would expect from a person from Kentucky!"
What is it exactly you expect? Did you mean that's?
A Democrat attacking a Southerner (How is being from the South a bad thing or why CNN would post your illeterate post..."that's" my question).
Right in line with Dems attacking a standing US Military General in Patreaus is exactly "what" I expect from left wing radicals.
If you don't believe the military evalution about the military situation in Iraq, who do you believe? The media? Your professor? France? Ohh, probably the United Nations.
Just like with all liberal stances – its a "feeling" – not based on any facts...yet the liberals will run with it...and present it as the truth....when its not. "Patraeus will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war." – ok then....I believe that Hillary is a robot with special mind control powers – the powers only work on morons and disenfranchised voters...wait....thats the same thing.
Guiliani is the clown of this Republican circus. MoveOn.org is right. The Iraq war will continues meanwhile low price iraqui oil continues flooding toward Cheneys partner refineries.
Move On are Idiots ...now they are attacking George Bush. This shows the World how STUDIP this Group is.
Hey Guys.....frist of all....BUSH Doesn't Give a DAM what any one thinks! and he's NOT running for even Dog Catcher!!
Have you noticed how it's all Personal Attacks ..... Your Fat and your Mother has a Missing tooth. and your Kids hate You!!! THERE..take that you Jerk!
Are the Adults all on drugs...who are these Loons at MOVE ON????
"Bush never said the draw down was a "plan to end the war""
Why do you suppose the citizens of the US threw out all those Republican Senators in the last election and gave control to the Democrats? That was a huge swing in numbers, not one or 2 senators. This was a message, loud and clear, from the American people, to George H W Bush. But he chooses to ignore it.
People are opposed to Iraq war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and the whole reason for us going there turned out to be a falsehood. They still haven't found any WMD's. How many years has it been?
This war is costing Trillions of dollars – debt that your great children will be trying to pay off. Money that could be better spent on Healthcare, better schools for our kids, benefits and training for all the people who have losat thier jobs to outsourcing and illegal immigration – any number of things. This war is also costing the lives of our young men and women. What's the death toll now, almost 4,000? And how many Iraqi civilians?
Bottom line – 1) The war is extremely costly, in terms of lives and dollars. 2) The reason for going to war was a lie. 3) Iraq does not want us in their country. 4) Iraq does not want a Democratic society. 5) After almost 4 years, Iraq still can't train any troops or put together its own police force or miltary, and doesn't seem to care to try. 6) At the end of the day, Iraq will not become an ally of the US. 7) The Democratic Congress was elected by the people to STOP this war. 8) It is the job of all politicians, right up to an including the president of the United States, to serve the will of the people.
The people have spoken. We want an end to the war. But George H W bush thinks he can do whatever he wants, and ignores the will of the people.
So yes, I'd say this is very clearly a betrayal of the American People, and a clear violation of the oath of office he took the day he became president.