September 17th, 2007
04:47 PM ET
16 years ago
Giuliani blasts 'HillaryCare'
Giuliani criticized Clinton's health care plan Monday.
WASHINGTON (CNN) - Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani weighed in on Sen. Hillary Clinton's, D-New York, proposed universal health care plan Monday, criticizing its "government command and control."
"Let’s not have HillaryCare – Hillary in charge of our health care," he told reporters in Florida. "Let’s put people in charge of our health care. And the reality is the only thing that brings down cost and increases quality is a large consumer market, not government command and control."
"Government command and control only increases costs and decreases quality," he added.
- CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
I've been reading all of the "wonderful" comments and I can honestly say you people are all ignorant. Government controlled healthcare is not the way to go. Anytime the government is in control of any social program, quality goes down and costs (ie: taxes) go up. All Hillary wants to do is RAISE TAXES. I'm not sure if you all are aware but the more government programs we have, the MORE TAXES we have to pay to cover all of these programs. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! If you want to give all your money to the government and let THEM decide how to spend it then, by all means, vote for Hillary. Just don't say I told you so when you're worse off in 3-5 years than you are now.
People in charge of our health care what an stunning concept. Lets see doc, I disagree with your medical opinion, and the cost is way to high on the procedure that you have proposed. I think I will go and shop the treatment with a different "HMO" doctor.
A large consumer markey brings down the cost of health care and here I though t he was going to address free market and supply and demand. Silly me. Mr Giuliani when was the last time you had a choice in medical care other than will I go or will I not, will I accept the treatment the doctor wants given or not. Get real the only place that medical costs and care is debated and negoiated is in the hall of Congress and I guess we know who comes out on top there.
Under medicine in this country we have three distint groups.
Group1 I don't need to worry about medical care because I can afford to get what ever I want when ever I want and not worry about cost. What's this 1% but I bet each and everyone of them have medical insurance. Which means after the "insurance" companies neogiated price, the care providers write off, the authorized amount paid by the insurance company and what ever co-pays there may be, medical cost are substantially reduced and the individual expenses are relatively minor.
Group2-The middle class or at least the employer insured middle Class. Well, employee share of the cost of the insurance has risen, the coverage offered has decreased. The insured family needs to make sure that they become ill or need medical treatment from 9-5 Monday through Friday, try to plan it so if on Friday its early. If you could call in advance and make an appointment that would be great. Okay $20-30 dollars out of pocket each time you enter the doctors office for your 10 minute meet. After hours or weekend, put it off until Monday and see if they might be able to see you by Thursday. Just can not hang til Monday, hit the ER of course unless you are put in the hospital understand that your visit to the ER is going to cost you at least $100.00 per your your insurance plan (which is considered a very good one). Bottom line you are going to save costs by not going as often as perhaps you should, you are not going to see the doctor when you are in fact ill until it becomes serious, but you are goingto pay a "insurance" negoiated rate as does group 1 and your over all out of pocket cost are going to be okay for the most part, once again the medical care providers are going to receive a discounted rate for the services from all involoved.
Group 3 Either by choice or because they do not have insurnace, can not afford insurance what ever the reason. First off, this is the one group that can not afford to get sick, they are also the only group that are going to br billed 100% of the medical facities cost. Do you really think they can afford to pay it. They are also the main group that in case of illness do not have a family doctor, so where do they go, the ER regardless of time of day or day of the week. Once again 100% of emergency room cost billed to them.
Mediacl providers then in term raise their prices to make up for the non-insured which are passed on to the insured which are discounted by the contacts negociated by the insurance companies with the medical providers.
So lets see mediacl provider want profits, insurance companies want profits, people all we want is afforadble quality care that is accessable when we need it. Systems broke, it needs a fix, don't bash those with the back bone to present a fix, so Giulilani and the rest of you, put up or shhhh, whats you plan to bring medical care to the nation?
I like you plan Giulina. Keep the RICH people Healthy and Insured. And the people that cant afford health care and the poor. Well the hell with them.
RICH GET RICHER POOR GET POORER.
at least Hillary tring to do something about it.
Giuliani, along with the other Republican candidates, know the plan is good for the country; but they can't admit it because they'll look bad and because they are too proud. Too bad for them it will happen, America will support it because there IS a HEALTH CARE CRISIS and Republicans are offering is some more of the same old. What's more, the plan will work, and all of them will look bad in the end anyways.
I'm not for G, but do you guys realize that universal health care is just the first step to communism? Don't get into semantics with me, but do the math. Rome fell when it started to take care of everyone. If you really want the government to take care of you, go ahead. It'll only be for a few years, then you'll live in a van down by the river. Your lives will be vastly different after the nation falls.
You don't have to vote for G, but please do some soul searching before you vote for a closet communist.
Chris
Rome fell?? chris are you kidding? what do you know about communism?? if i get robbed and the cops show up to my house and ask me for $150 before they apprehend the target because taxes dont pay for that anymore i think people would have a problem. can you tell me its a different case with health? i went to the hospital a few months ago without any health insurance i was have sever abdominal pains for a long time and i felt i couldnt wait anymore for insurance. they took tests, didnt seem to answer any of my questions. as a matter of fact the nurses and doctors were in the middle of the ER talking about patients they had that smelt bad and laughing about it. joking about "office gossip" in the middle of an area will people are behing CURTAINS scared that something is wrong with them and these doctors acted like they were at the bar chatting. then someone would walk in every 20 minutes ask me the same question the last 8 other people asked me. then walked in my "cubicle" after the laughing died down and said "we couldnt find anything wrong" and i sat there in amazement because i felt like someone was stabbing me in my side and theyt said i was fine "have a good day" i got up after sitting their for 4 hours and just walked out of the hospital still in pain. a week later i got a bill for $3758.00 and it was due in 2 weeks then 2 days later recieved another bill for $678.00 for some physicians fee!!! so im sitting here unable to afford medical insurance and get a charge for almost $5000 due in 2 weeks. now if i get health insurance and have any abdominal pain they actually have the right to consider it pre existing and not cover it!!! its easy for people to say everything is fine when they live at home with their mom or they arent sick, but what do you do when you support a family and get sick or your son gets sick or wife and you stay up at night hoping something will change because you work 70 hours a week and still cant squeeze enough together the keep your families health safe???? and now you get health insurance but it costs you $1300 a month and your rent is $1400 a month and you and your wife's car payments and car insurance is $775, cable is $150, 2 cellphones are $170, credit card bills u used to help pay for your wedding are $300 a month in minimum payments. your sons preschool is $400 a month then you have groceries and you are trying to just save a little bit aside to put a down payment on a house, but you might not be able to handle a monthly mortgage payment....you get my point....a little pressure is good but when its all you wake up to and go to sleep to it makes it a little difficult to be the dad you always hoped you would be... and thats the problem with america. obviously there is irresponsible parents ALL OVER, but its us good parents that want more then anything to spend time with our children but cant that really eat away at what used to make america so great.
Isn't it basically a lie to say that Hillary would be in charge of each American's health care? Shouldn't he be more careful about – oh wait, it's McCain who's a Christian, not Rudy. My mistake.
I agree. Why would anyone say "oh it's not working- I know let's put the federal govt in charge of it !"
Instead, let's focus on a way to get the market to compete for health care contracts; let's focus more on making high quality services affordable and not have a knee-jerk reaction that the government will do better.
CNN, can you give me a valid reason why you deleted my post? Oh yes, it didn't contain high praise for your girl Hillary.
christian from selden, ny wrote:
"...and now you get health insurance but it costs you $1300 a month and your rent is $1400 a month and you and your wife's car payments and car insurance is $775, cable is $150, 2 cellphones are $170, credit card bills u used to help pay for your wedding are $300 a month in minimum payments. your sons preschool is $400 a month then you have groceries..."
Dude, you just layed out precisely why you "just can't" afford healthcare.
In one word, "priorities."
Maybe if you paid off your cars and hung onto them (rather than buy TWO new cars)... maybe if you ditched your TWO cell phones... maybe if you ditched CABLE TV... maybe if you decided NOT to spend so much on a wedding that you actually needed a payment plan...
It's called sacrifice. Try it sometime.
Me... no cell phone... in fact, I refuse to have one. Cable TV (and ALL TV for that matter) is a big, fat, square lazy-maker and designed for the purpose of disengaging your brain... stop parking your butt in front of it and spend some time with your kids.
Honestly bud, you listed a bunch of reasons why *I*, as a taxpayer, should NOT have to foot the bill for YOUR healthcare, if you're too ignorant or self-indulgent (and entitled) or simply lack the discipline to do so yourself.
Rudy has absolutely no shame to object to government health care for the poor when he enjoys the best health care available paid for by the taxpayer. What gall.
I wish I could say one good thing about this person..
What kind of a person marries his cousin / his first wife..
defames his loyal wife on national
TV at a press conference..thinks
that it makes sense..announces his intention to divorce her..no class
no shame / ugly ugly ugly
America's Devil..MO'C
I'm wondering if the people slamming Giuliani have any idea of what kind of wait you're going to be looking at in the future when the entire country has their "free" health care?