Huckabee likens abortion to a holocaust
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.
(CNN)–Speaking before a gathering of Christian conservative voters, GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee said legalized abortion in the United States was a holocaust.
"Sometimes we talk about why we're importing so many people in our workforce," the former Arkansas governor said. "It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973."
Huckabee also spoke adamantly of the need for conservative lawmakers to show no compromise on fighting for a constitutional amendment that defines marriage between a man and a woman. "I'm very tired of hearing people who are unwilling to change the constitution, but seem more than willing to change the holy word of God as it relates to the definition of marriage," he said.
Huckabee, spoke before the Family Research Council's Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C. Saturday.
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I am a male. I am not religious. I have no problem with abortion. If this guy becomes president, he is basically saying he will put into law his religious beliefs. As someone who is not religious this is very scary. What's next, re-education camps for all the non-believers? Keep your religion out of politics. Your religion is yours. Not ours as a whole, ours as a nation.
I agree w/ Jamie from PA, a fetus has all the rights it needs according to GOP's, but when the kid is born its like "Ok, Male...female...we'll care about Bob Jr at 18 and Jane Jr can marry Bob Jr and have more kids to pay taxes so we can pad out fat checks even more."
In principal I don't agree w/ abortion, I don't believe life begins until you have sentient thought aka a cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex and it's complexities separate us from fish that only have a basic limbic system "Ok, eat, sleep, run away from big shark"...but I think overturing Roe is a BAD idea. I don't want to hear on the news that someone I know was beaten to death or caught an infection because she tried to induce an abortion or tried the back alleys.
As for gay marriage...there should be a happy median w/ civil unions. Sure I'd like some day for religion itself to accept two consenting adults who love each other and the children they wish to raise, until then helping the economy with the ability to file joint taxes, etc, should appeal to the greedy right.
Sorry I meant "human life" doesn't begin until there is high sentient thought ie arts & mathematics. I should have been more specific.
Have you ever noticed how often the so called "Christian Right" justifies casting the first stone?
Personally, I believe it is blasphemous how many people use the title "Christian" as a justification to EXCLUDE any human being from any blessing - God given, or provided my Man.
In order to EXCLUDE, you must JUDGE. To JUDGE is to cast the first stone. I guess Mr. Huckabee is without "sin."
We can all argue over whether abortion should be legal, whether it is moral or not, or when cells turn into human life, but one thing that cannot be disputed is that abortion is not like the Holocaust. The Holocaust was the murder of several million Europeans, the overwhelming majority of whom were Jewish, during the second world war (some take the Holocaust to refer specifically to the murder of European Jewry, so that definition is fine, too). The killing was done primarily at sites in eastern Europe, especially between 1941 and 1945. Jewish people were targeted solely because of who they were and how they fit into Hitler's warped racial worldview, and along these lines other "racial" groups such as the Slavic people were also killed by the thousands, although not as systematically as the Jews. Moreover, the Holocaust, the industrialized attempt to eradicate an entire ethnic group, was only possible in the unique circumstances of the Eastern Front and the so-called "War of Annihilation" Hitler launched on the Soviet Union, a phase of the war that was considerably more radical and savage than anything experienced on the Western Front.
All this is to say that the Holocaust is not a meta-historical event divorced from all context that can be applied as a label to any mass killing or to something like abortion. It is a specific event that could only have happened in a specific context and calling abortion a Holocaust is not only morally offensive but it historically irresponsible. It is an example of the easy slippage to rhetorical extremes (the same way everything that one considers bad in the United States is labeled either "fascist" or "communist", depending on one's mood) when in reality one has no real knowledge as to what the term really means – they just know it will be taken as code for "absolutely evil" and don't think twice about its usage. So please, Mr. Huckabee, think twice before you use the Holocaust to promote your own agenda.
"I'm glad my mom was against abortion."
I wasn't, Josh. I was jailed until you were born.
My wife and I just watched a program segment on CNN entitled, "Religious Warriors". It wasn't about fundamentalism in the middle east, but what is and has been going on in the US.
It was an excellent program that all American people need to see and ponder. Our society has become so fractured by politics and religion that breeds intolerance and even hate.
We need to understand and correct the messages that are being sent out from America to other people around the globe.
Our children need to be taught to understand and respect diversity. There is too much training going on that teaches them to be ready to go to war... If that is we train for, we just might get what we want.
The World Health Organization recently came to a conclusion many people would have guessed on their own - nations where termination of a pregnancy is a crime do not actually decrease the rate of abortion. It is true that many people do not see aborting a pregnancy as a victimless act. Those people will not change their behavior because of any law. As it turns out, people who do see abortion as a victimless act also will not be inclined to endure pregnancy simply out of respect for public policy.
Depending on your perspective, you may be more comfortable making comparisons to a crystal meth binge or to driving 75mph in a 65mph zone. The point is that when an action is regarded as victimless, people will tend to make relevant decisions without regard for the law. Vice prohibitions, even China's draconian drug laws, do not seem to actually eliminate or even much reduce existent vice activity.
If people like Gov. Huckabee were serious about seeing more pregnancies carried to term, then they would be serious about reducing the demand for abortion. This means changing the social context. Be it tougher laws to prevent workplace discrimination against pregnant women, universal subsidies for day care services and neonatal health care, or just abandoning the tragic failure that is "abstinence only" sex education, there are real political actions that can really reduce the number of abortions taking place in the United States.
Unfortunately, taking those actions involves being a better leader than to pander to hate and push to create a whole new class of American criminals. Some people might complain that subsidized day care or generous maternity leave laws are at odds with libertarian economic principles. To those I would say, "just how serious are you about ending abortion?" To everyone else, I wonder why extremists are allowed to hijack the abortion debate when there is a middle ground where real gains can be achieved.
Many people on this blog have written comments to the effect that no one should legislate based on their religious beliefs. But if what they are really saying is that no one should legislate based on their values, then that is laughable. Everyone does that (legislate values). "Separation of church and state" can come off sounding like separation of values and state, and that's just plain silly. If you value freedom and therefore legislate a woman's right to choose, then congratulations, you have legislated based on your values.
Practically speaking, there's not as much difference between religion and values as many pretend, since so many are as fiercely anti-religious as religious. In such cases, you have merely one set of strongly held values pitted against another. If religion = blind zeal, then both sides may be called "religion" or "values", take your pick.
The only " Holocaust" is that which has been done to African American ancestors, and to their descendants; to the Original Americans and their descendants; to the Palestinians and to the American people since 1980 when dumbAss Ronnie was elected President by a dumb Ass nation. Except for a minor reduction on the Clinton years, the Holocaust rages on against the American People.
Keep harping on the alleged mass homicide committed by the nazi Party, but never broach the subject of the factual murders of millions of Africans during the slave trade, their Descendants up to this very day; th ethnic clensing performed by the European invaders of Palestine from 1928 onwards; the continued butchery of Original Americans by the European invaders of the 15th. and 16th. centuries and their ruthless descendants; the current racist fascist government of the United States.
No, do not talk about any of these things. Instead talk about abortion and the " War" on a word.
The Roman Empire was too ll powerful and omnipotent.
It fell.
We watch as your walls crumble while you delude yourselves that the sounds of the bricks falling is Strauss, Beethoven,Mozart and Chopin.
No, it is the sound of the silence which will encapsulate you when you face reality.
talk about that.
I'm a Christian and a democrat. These 2 beliefs fit together much better than these anti liberty, prowar rightwing facists beliefs.
If abortion becomes illegal then we slip down the slippery slope towards being in a country that is not free. We cannot, as Americans, accept that all our rights will be diminished, one by one. It is our freedom to choose and I am sorry but this country was founded on that principle. People seem to care so much more for unborn children-what happens when they are older and abused or put in foster care? The comments about the holocaust are just wrong-don't go there. Here is what I propose. 1-Keep abortion legal but PROMOTE birth control. If somebody wants to engage in sex they are going to do it. If more people used birth control abortion would less likely occur. 2-Have a civil union pact where couples can inherit or share health care. Include even friends or family members. This already exists overseas in Europe.
And again about abortion-let's be logical
-between pharmacists who don't want to give the pill and schools who do not want to give out condoms and not promote safe sex-there will be A LOT more abortions. Birth control is something that separates women in the US from women in poorer countries, providing them with a more more difficult life and us with more control over ours.
Rape is without a doubt a serious issue. No one deserves to be raped. But killing an unborn child is horrible as well. You don't know what that child is going to be. He or she could one day be a lawyer, doctor, painter, a loving parent, loving spouse, carpenter, a loving son or daughter that will take care of you when you are in need, president of the united states of a america, or what ever he or she wants to be. Where there is an unborn child there is hope. Everyone deserves a chance. If your parents decided to kill you when you were in the womb would you be here today? Look at yourself! Would you and answear that question. If a mother feels like she is not ready she should give the baby up for adoption and try to keep in some form of contact with the child or with the foster parents. Because remeber where there is an unborn child there is hope and remember to answear the question. Would have I been here today if my parents decided to kill me?
With out a doubt Bin Laden is crazy. I should kick my self for making that comment. To him the world is a crazy sick game. Make a threat to a specific country and see what they do and oh today blow up this to ruin something or try to scare and kill people. Everyone doesn't like that. The question is why he does it. Is it something our country did before that horrible day of 9/11? To clear us with our possible guilt we need to release all intel information and communication that we had with bin laden and his assoiciates to clear us of our guilt. If it's not our problem we need to look at his childhood. Was he deppressed? Was he lacking attention? But either way he deserves to get punished. That is not right what Bin Laden did to us and to many other nations
Why does "Republican morality" stop at the birth of a child. They will force women to have children but will not provide any assistance in raising them (e.g. SHIP)
This is not pro or anti-christian question, seperation of church and state question, democratic or what ever party you are, what ever race you are, would YOU be here if your mother aborted you? With respects to your parents what if they told you "I wish i could have aborted you!" what would you say?
Juts take a look at the anti-abortion crowd that the Huckster sucks up to.
These are the same people who will do everything in their power to make sure that the new mother and child have the most miserable life possible.
If a gay guy helps out people like the poor and hungrey and a straight guy steals what would god say. I guess we find out when we die
"It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973."
How can these Republicans be so concerned with these unwanted fetuses and yet don’t give a crap about the daddy’s and mommies dying in Iraq? If the pro-life faction of the party is so worried about the children, the orphanages of America would be empty.
And by the way that million would be unemployed because illegal immigrants stole their jobs!
Politions are crazy. Our country needs progress. We the people need to step up. We should evaluate them just like we are their bosses. After all we vote for them. We should give them a time table for each issue. For an example if they say we can fix education by 2009, but yet our country has no progress, each day they should be fined $10,000 and impeached rather then lying to the public we the people need to hold them accountale
You just lost my respect Huckabee.
.....so nice to wake up to a united America........
"It doesn't matter whether a person has a uterus and/or the possibility of producing a human being–when you kill the child–you have committed murder–you have taken an innocent life–perhaps what should happen is the two who produced the child should share in being eliminated, except in cases of rape and incest, then just the one–however, in most cases eliminate the two monsters that created the situation.
Posted By Jerry Boise, ID : October 20, 2007 2:42 pm"
...and I think this about sums up the "pro-life" approach to being, well, pro-life.
Wow.
It is only currently the minds eye which can perceived this Astral existence, this often resulting in mental confusion, paranoia, disorders, and increased mental functions in sixth sense logic (beyond humor and humility).
But what birth marks do you have that prove a once twin in the womb which was too weak to pass the first trimester? You knew them as they are now your flesh.
The nature of fertility of an individual with scientific interruption or enhancement is abhorrent due to how it affects natural evolution and the concurrent patterns.
According to the CDC and Planned Parenthood, there have been over 46,000,000 legal abortions in the United States since 1973.
That is over 46 million innocent lives that were ended by choice.