December 10th, 2007
08:09 AM ET
15 years ago

Giuliani: Nathan did not want police protection

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that police, not the former New York City mayor himself, had decided his then-girlfriend Judith Nathan needed publicly-funded security during their extra-marital affair.

"I did not make the judgment, I did not ask for it, Judith didn't particularly want it," the former New York City mayor said in an interview on NBC's Meet the Press. "But it was done because [police] took the view that it was serious and it had to be done that way."

He bristled when asked by interviewer Tim Russert if a hypothetical presidential mistress would rate the same level of protection, saying a Secret Service detail "would not be appropriate" in the absence of a credible threat.

Giuliani did not name a specific incident that led New York police to create a full threat assessment for Nathan, but did say he had been the target of multiple death threats since his time as a Mafia-targeting prosecutor.

He has faced charges in recent days that he sought to cover up Nathan's taxpayer-funded security expenses by shifting them to obscure city agencies.

He has said that allegation, first reported in the Politico, is inaccurate, and that all expenses were ultimately paid by the New York Police Department.

Giuliani said Sunday that he would likely not have promoted Bernard Kerik to police commissioner had he known of his alleged ties to a company reportedly linked to the Mafia.

He also conceded that he did not realize the extent of the threat posed by al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks, and said he did not plan to release his client list from Giuliani Partners, which he co-owns, or sever his ties with the firm.

He dismissed some of the most difficult questions with a laugh, quoting another former New York City mayor, Fiorello LaGuardia: "I don't make many mistakes, but when I make them, they're big ones."

–CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

Filed under: Rudy Giuliani
soundoff (110 Responses)
  1. Richard, St. Paul, MN

    Rudy's such a snake oil salesman. I just can't believe a word he says anymore.

    December 10, 2007 09:59 am at 9:59 am |
  2. S.B. Stein E.B. NJ

    The concerns that I have with Giuliani aren't immediately his cheating on previous wives or having questionable reporting of the hours the NYPD did guarding him where ever he went. My first concern is that he moved so slowly to upgrade and move around his police and fire departments prior to September 2001. If the first attack on the World Trade Center didn't happen, then I wouldn't have a problem with putting the central command center there; but there was an attack on the World Trade Center. Why would you put a place like that in a target?

    A second set of concerns are about how well he worked with City Council and how willing he would be to comprimise with a Congress that has more oversite responsibilities as well as the powers to toss him in jail. I don't know that his comments and actions truly speak to working with a Congress that is from the other party.

    December 10, 2007 10:19 am at 10:19 am |
  3. Jay, RI

    Giuliani also stated in yesterday's interview that he was stuck in one of the buildings on 9/11. Is that true? I never heard that before.

    Anyone know? I hope if it's not true reporters are looking into to this.

    December 10, 2007 10:35 am at 10:35 am |
  4. therealist

    Giuliani vs. Clinton: The battle of the sleazes. America has fallen to an all time new low..

    December 10, 2007 10:48 am at 10:48 am |
  5. Chris, Middletown, CT

    Do we really want a Libertarian anywhere near the White House? (no) As far as a cheater...we had one for 8 years...and the country didn't fall actual policy question we need to ask – do we want a social liberal and fiscal conservative in the white house...answer is yes....and who is the ONLY one running – Giuliani (don't take marital or child rearing advice from him...thats not his forte) He will make an excellent next president.

    December 10, 2007 10:49 am at 10:49 am |
  6. J. Dean, Juno Beach, FLORIDA

    Rudy Giuliani, is indeed a pathological lier. Rudy proved it again on Meet the Press with Tim Russert. Any time before Giuliani answers a question, just observe his face and his eyes. Giuliani is still lying about his life, his family, his extra marital affairs, his business dealings and about Bernard Kerik.
    Concerning the gimmick of Mafia-targeting prosecutor, Rudy prosecuted some Mofia members to protect competing Mafia Bosses, the Untouchables. This gimmick also created the artificial security threat and the need to publicly fund the security of Giuliani's extra-marital affairs with tax payers or publicly-funded money.
    The way Rudy Giuliani dismissed most important and most difficult questions asked by Tim Russert BY A LAUGH. And now, WE REPUBLICAN VOTERS, will deprive Giuliani the Republican nomination.
    Rudy Giuliani you have nothing PRESIDENTIAL.

    December 10, 2007 10:56 am at 10:56 am |
  7. Alan, Gilbert, Arizona

    Right on, Russert! Until Giuliani can sincerely reply to that question, "it was morally wrong for me to have an extramarital affair, and outrageous that a government agency reporting to me spent taxpayer money to support and protect it" he should be rightly assessed as duplicitious.

    December 10, 2007 11:00 am at 11:00 am |
  8. jeff david - new york, new york

    unbelievable. how this guy has gotten so far is beyond belief. a total slimeball. always takes credit for everything (ever see him say "we"?) and this hero thing on 9/11? give me a break, he was just doing his job – what a mayor should do. and has anybody noticed what a weird, fake smile he has. (nobody, absolutely nobody smiles like that). basically, before 9/11, he was a total loser to most new yorkers (like myself). and that's the reality of it (another word, like the use of "very, very" he tosses around). rg, please crawl back in your cave.

    December 10, 2007 11:03 am at 11:03 am |
  9. John Karsten, Virginia Beach, VA

    I really do not have an opionin on Rudy as of yet, but let me say this. I think everyone here who posted comments about his infadelty, are'nt you calling the kettle black. Most adults that I know have cheated for many reasons. Just because they cheat, does that really mean a person can not be President? REALLY AMERICA, GET OVER YOUR SELF.....sometimes, we as americans, as a group, can act like a freaking 19 year old.....

    December 10, 2007 11:22 am at 11:22 am |
  10. Tom, New York, NY

    Hopefully the rest of the country will continue to learn what New Yorkers know about Guiliani... he is a slimeball only interested in power and money... not people and he is only in this race for one thing... power for himself and his cronies.....

    December 10, 2007 11:24 am at 11:24 am |
  11. AJ, IL

    I saw this interview with Giuliani on MEET THE PRESS. Overall, I think he did well except on the security detail for his then-not-known girlfriend, Nathan. We know that Giuliani's personal life is a shamble when you are talking about the presidency of the US. Using taxpayer money to shield his mistress, sounds to much like Bill Clinton infidelities from the 1990s.

    December 10, 2007 11:34 am at 11:34 am |
  12. Oliver, Jersey City, NJ

    I don't expect CNN to post this comment because, like the other post I made, it was in favor of Rudy, and that too was omitted. But that's ok, a copy has been sent and moderated by the Associated Press on their story of how these forums are "censored to lean toward a certain political framework" according to an imformant at CNN's New York offices. But I'll say again, Rudy is by far the best candidate for 2008. Enough of the Bush-Clinton regimes.

    December 10, 2007 11:37 am at 11:37 am |
  13. Richard, St. Paul, MN

    Rudy looks more and more like Dr. Strangelove as time goes by....

    December 10, 2007 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  14. Robert NYC & Miami

    My question is, When is Donna Hanover, his ex-wife gonna speak?

    I can't wait for that!

    December 10, 2007 11:45 am at 11:45 am |
  15. Farrell, Houston, Tx

    Excuses for irreparable conduct and coverup by Giuliani just doesn't cut it. And further, Giuliani thinks that if he is president this would be "atonement". There is a place for people like Giuliani and it ain't the White House. Giuliani got away with corruption at the State level and believes he should be allowed to continue on at the highest National level, I don't think so.

    December 10, 2007 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm |
  16. Lucem ferre LeVan, Thorndale Pennsylvania

    Other than self-righteous and hypocritical Republicans, who cares what Bill Clinton did. Most Progressive Democrats do not care about the personal life of their neighbors, their politicians or in some cases even their pastors because most Progressive Democrats prefer everyone get out of their personal lives. But those dang-blasted morally superior fanatical Republicans just can't get enough of this stuff.

    If you want to blame someone for Guillianni's fall, blame him for having the affair, blame him for hurting his wife and children, blame him for flaunting his mistress, blame him for using taxpayer money to "protect" his mistress and blame the Christian Right becuase had they not tried to destroy Clinton and the rest of the "immoral" country for being human, the Mayor would be having the time of his life and no one would care. Get out of my house, my bedroom, my music, my movies and my life Republican trash collectors. Oh, and have a nice day.

    December 10, 2007 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm |
  17. Amanda Orlando, FL

    Will someone please explain to me why no one is holding Bill Clinton to the same standard? Did he not do unspeakable things to an intern in the oval office of all places? How many women have come forward and claimed they had a piece of Bill while he was still very much married?
    Don't get me wrong, I've forgiven Bill for all that and I know that he did great things as president regardless. He's doing great things now, regardless. We've all moved on, he's moved on, Hilary's moved on.
    So why are we all so outraged that Giuliani was involved with another woman when his marriage was already coming to an end? He didn't hide her under his desk or anything. I don't get it. Why all the outrage?

    December 10, 2007 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  18. Rafael Richmond VA

    Fianlly someone with common sence Amanda from Orlando thank you! Can someone please explain to me what is up with the outrage and Giuliani having an affair? People look outside your door and see it is common practice today. It dose not mean is right but it is reality! At least he didn't lie about it like someone I know did in the Oval office. People please find something better to do than to critize people for their personal life. Everyone in this site has made sins before...

    December 10, 2007 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  19. David, Dallas Tx

    He has faced charges in recent days that he sought to cover up Nathan's taxpayer-funded security expenses by shifting them to obscure city agencies.

    He has said that allegation, first reported in the Politico, is inaccurate, and that all expenses were ultimately paid by the New York Police Department.

    That the expenses were ultimately paid by the NYPD in no way changes that they were routed through other departments to cloud the paper trail. It also ignores the fact that taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for Giuliani's affairs.

    He could have told the cops, "no" and hired private security. That would've been the second-most appropriate thing to do.

    The most appropriate thing, of course, would have been to not cheat on his wife.

    December 10, 2007 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |

    Rudy Giuliani is once again showing he is a despicable person. He is not worthy of the office of President due to his scabrous character. The man is nothing more than a charlatan trying to score on his 9/11 connection. His machiavellian machinations will not work this time.

    December 10, 2007 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  21. Angel, College Park, MD

    Guiliani has no morals. Granted, his cheating on his previous two wives should be a personal matter, but it does speak to his character and his values; ditto the fact that his own children have basically disavowed him; as does the fact that he allowed taxpayer funds to be used as part of his adulterous activities (paying for police protection, etc.) What is his true and "honest" position on abortion, gay rights, immigration and foreign policy? Does ANYONE (including him) even know this? I will never understand the love affair some Americans seem to be having or want to have with this creature. And why they would even THINK to want to make him President?

    Oh, and Amanda from Orlando, FL – no one is holding Bill Clinton to the same standard because (wait for it...) HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!!

    December 10, 2007 01:42 pm at 1:42 pm |
  22. Ken, Suitland MD

    Ahh, the hypocritical right-wing chimes in. Which of you, Chris, Amanda, Rafael, gleefully supported the impeachment proceedings against Clinton? But you are now outraged that people are questioning the character of a republican for infidelity??!! Give me a break.

    Unspeakable acts? You mindless hypocrites better look at who you've been voting for during the past 8-10 years for federal office, then take a look at what our fine military personnel have to go through over there in Iraq, how some have died, how some have been maimed....and then talk to me about unspeakable acts.

    We are multiple election cycles into this mess, there is much evidence and information out there about the odious nature in which this country has been lead, and yet people still support and vote for the party who tarnishes us with these policies.

    Thoughtful people, please vote intelligently this Nov. Please vote to stop our bretheren on the right from leading us back into the middle ages.

    December 10, 2007 01:43 pm at 1:43 pm |
  23. spinstopper

    Rudy successfully managed the 8th largest economy in the world.

    December 10, 2007 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  24. Truthteller, Pensacola, FL

    Based on everyone's comments, could it be that Americans are FINALLY waking up to the TRUTH about
    Rudolph "Sleeziani"? Let's face it people, he is as unqualified to be President as "W" the warmonger.

    December 10, 2007 01:53 pm at 1:53 pm |
  25. Steve, Lyons, CO

    "This should be the new Republican motto,"I don't make many mistakes, but when I make them they're big ones". "

    They don't make many mistakes? B.S. That's all they've been doing.

    Sorry your party is turning criminal.

    December 10, 2007 02:25 pm at 2:25 pm |
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