January 15th, 2008
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Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'

(CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan tonight, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.

The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.

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  1. Im Black in Michigan

    I live in Michigan, and once I heard Obama was taking his name off of the Ballot, I decided not to even go vote. Im sure I speak for thousands, if not tens of thousands more.

    January 16, 2008 03:42 am at 3:42 am |
  2. wede

    Regardless of how some think Obama and Edwards are only sharing half the 40% undecided. They completely fail to realize Clinton's 55% is terrible and is also benfitting being padded down by Michigan Democrats who are angry Obama and Edwards weren't aknowledging Michigan. Had Edwards and Obama campained thoroughly and didn't chastice Michigan for their early election, Clinton would have more than likel had even less than 55% votes, as she would have never gained Michigan's spite votes for the others not being there.

    Those spite votes include voters of all races, not just the African American voters CNN is concerned with. I wish big money didn't own all the news media. It would be great to see the media quit separaing the working class voters by perpetuating racial differences.

    January 16, 2008 03:44 am at 3:44 am |
  3. S Perry

    Independents also failed to show up–so don't be so sure that those who did not show up would have voted for Hillary. It was generally a low turnout, so this really means nothing in the scheme of things. Yes, it's really interesting that a large percentage of blacks voted for Obama over Clinton, but (even though it's not reported here), MSNBC reported that whites favored Hillary over Obama significantly, as well. How about we worry about the primaries/caucuses to come? Clearly the media has nothing better to do but get us anxious about completely useless information...

    January 16, 2008 03:50 am at 3:50 am |
  4. ronald


    January 16, 2008 04:11 am at 4:11 am |
  5. Dan, College Station, TX

    I've seen a lot of posts from Clinton supporters who seem to think that this 'win' represents a true victory over a combined Edwards/Obama ticket. If they think that this was a truly representative vote, maybe they should look at the fact that Mitt Romney, who had actual real opponents on the ballot got more votes than her. So either admit that this is not a real win, or admit that Hillary would lose Michigan to Mitt Romney in the general election. You can't have it both ways.

    January 16, 2008 04:14 am at 4:14 am |
  6. Raoul

    She dug this hole herself by pandering to Robert "Bobcat" Johnson and his pocket book. The Clintons have never met a whale donnor they didn't love, ie. Rupert Murdoch's fundraiser for Hillary, Hillary being on WalMart's board, the Lincoln Bedroom, etc. By not standing up to a fourth major swipe at Obama's childhood, yes childhood; she only looks worse. Unfortunately, this story is running out of legs...but if another big donor decides to hiccup in the next month – watch her.

    January 16, 2008 04:14 am at 4:14 am |
  7. ronald

    Hence, HILARY CLINTON is the SUREST THING. Highly committed & intelligent, so why settle for less? WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! Although I'm not American, I WILL PRAY FOR HER TO WIN NOT JUST THE NOMINATION BUT BEING THE "1ST WOMAN PRESIDENT OF THE USA".

    January 16, 2008 04:16 am at 4:16 am |
  8. Lisa

    People who defend Hillary's "It took a President" for civil rights to happen, ignore what Al Gore has stated in his movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and how he went into politics hoping to create the change in environmental laws. He thought all he needed was good information to be share with good intelligent people and that they would do the "right thing". But they didn't. He left government, and took his information and concern to the people – and he told it to the masses. People began to listen, to care, and to make personal decisions and commitment to change. That was more powerful. Eventually with people letting their representatives know their concerns will get the Washington people to get on board. People make their government change-government doesn't create the change.

    Laws against discrimination does not change people's hearts and minds. Does anyone believe that men in power would have given women the right to vote without pressure from the masses?

    January 16, 2008 04:22 am at 4:22 am |
  9. Nathan K

    The Obama Campaign should take the results of the Michigan Primary and scream it from the rooftops. 4O% OF DEMOCRATS MADE IT A POINT TO VOTE AGAINST HER IN AN UNCONTESTED RACE!!!!!!!!

    January 16, 2008 04:28 am at 4:28 am |
  10. Tlc

    Stratford, your syllogism is flawed. It is equally likely that Obama/Edwards supporters stayed home in that they knew their candidate could not win. It is entirely possible that the voters who stayed who balanced out and the tally gives a relatively accurate picture of the voter's attitudes.

    January 16, 2008 04:32 am at 4:32 am |
  11. Festus

    As far as I am concerned, her comments on MLK amounts to a grave political blunder of the same magnitude as that of John Kerry, that ended his presidential ambition.

    January 16, 2008 04:34 am at 4:34 am |
  12. shaun

    Lex January 15, 2008 11:38 pm ET please read this post..its the most informative, and accurate i've seen thus far

    I'm glad Clinton is now aware that she isn't guaranteed the black vote just because "some" black people are fond of her husband. She needs to stop acting as if she has already won the nomination. She HAS NOT! Her campaign tricks and dirty politics are not flying over the heads of Americans. Oh and by the way Tim Russert, Chris Mathews, and the rest of the political commentators and hosts SUCK AT THEIR JOBS! They are totally favoring Hillary. It really is making me sick! How much more obvious can you be? START REPORTING THE FACTS. FACTS FACTS FACTS AND ONLY THE FACTS! Stop trying to influence people with subtle plugs for a "certain" candidate. Stop saying Barack has attacked HIllary, b/c he has not, stop saying hillary has the most experience b/c she DOES NOT, and stop bringing on horrible guests who are completely biased! Why don't you ever say Hillary takes a lot of money from lobbyists & PACS, why not report the fact that Barack has held more government positions than Hillary? Doesn't he deserve equal treatment or are you gunning for the Clintons to win this by any means necessary? MSNBC, CNN, and most news stations ARE A JOKE! STOP FEEDING and being the driving force behind false issues. STAY ON TASK AND GIVE THE PUBLIC THE REAL CHANCE TO SEE WHO EACH CANDIDATE IS!

    January 16, 2008 04:39 am at 4:39 am |
  13. Chuck

    Look at the statistics! Obama and Edwards were encouraging their supporters for over a week now to come out and vote"uncommitted" against Hillary Clinton. This supposed great show of support between the two of them amounted to 40% and near 4% for Kusinch. Here are the facts:

    Hillary got 54% of the white male vote and 71% of the white female vote. The "uncommitted" got 38% of the white male vote and 25% of the white female vote. In all Hillary got 63% of the white vote and 30% of the black vote. Among non-white males Hillary got 45% to 54% for the "uncommitted". Among female non-white voters Hillary got 34% to 64% for "uncommitted".

    Age-wise, here are the Stats: 18-24 Hillary 42% Uncommitted 48%
    25-29 44 49
    30-39 48 47
    40-49 57 39
    50-64 56 39
    65 over 78 21
    Hillary won amongst all income groups, except for those earning over $100,000. per year...interesting...and she won among all education levels, except for those higher than a BA level of education...that's also interesting!

    Hillary also wins in smaller cities, towns and rural areas....hmmm aren't these places normally called the heartland of America?

    Now, here's what you all really wanted to know. How would the democrats of Michigan actually voted today if actually given real choices?...well here's what those who did vote said....Hillary Clinton 46%
    Obama 35%
    Edwards 12%
    Kucinich 2%
    Richardson 1%
    Hillary Clinton would have won the Michigan Primary by a whopping 11%.
    Since there was a strong effort made by the Obama and Edwards camps to get their supporters out to vote for the uncommitted, coupled with these statistical facts, this was definitely a big victory of sorts for Hillary Clinton.

    Of course, she lost the black vote, as she may well do in South Carolina, however, her democratic base in states with small black populations is still very strong.

    So, people, give credit where it's due and look at the facts, not just what you want to see and believe. They are all good candidates, each with their strengths and weaknesses. For any democrat to say they won't vote democratic in the fall if a certain democrat wins the nomination, is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. You want another Republican President? Get real! Hold your nose and get behind whoever wins the nomination, for the good of the country!

    January 16, 2008 04:45 am at 4:45 am |
  14. Jimmy, Ft. Lauderdale, Fl

    Michigan and Florida are getting the raw end of the deal here.

    I want to see what the candidates will say to after the primaries when they have to come back to campaign again during the presidential campaign. It will be the likes of the republicans that will win. I like Barak Obama but if he intentionally skips campaigning in Fl all together I just might vote for Rudy just out of spite.

    Watch your steps dems. because the republicans are taking you all for fools for taking away our delegates. It will cost you serious numbers in votes once the real voting in Nov comes. I bet Michigan voters will bear a grudge come Nov. Talk here in Fl shows that. We now refer to most Dems as DUMBASSES

    January 16, 2008 04:46 am at 4:46 am |
  15. George, Miami, FL

    The one thing I have learned about the Clintons is just how mean they are. They insult Martin Luther King, they introduce race in several ways. When commentators point that out on TV, they "act offended" and "hurt" that Obama is hurting them.

    Even if Obama were inferior as a candidate I'd have to vote for him, just to not reward the bully Clintons. But it turns out that Obama is superior as a candidate.

    So I am backing Obama all the way. And I am a white Republican. We have to stop the war, and we have to stop the China bleed.

    January 16, 2008 04:56 am at 4:56 am |
  16. Lisa Salt Lake City UT

    Obama, Yes We Can! Looking forward to Super Duper Tuesday ! Utah loves Obama.

    January 16, 2008 04:57 am at 4:57 am |
  17. Aileen Murphy

    If you analyze all of the statistics accurately, Clinton has actually done very well in the Michigan primary. For example, when asked the question on how the voting would go if all of the candidates were on the ballot, those for Edwards (only 12%) voted 30% for Hillary and 56% uncommitted (probably most for Edwards). For the Barack supporters, 18% voted for Hillary and 76% voted uncommitted (probably most for Barack). Of those who supported Hillary, which was the largest percentage of the total, 97% voted for Hillary and 3% were uncommitted.

    This clearly shows that even if Edwards and Obama were in the running, Clinton would be the clear winner.The only category that Clinton did not do well in was with the younger voters. The uncommitted % was higher than the % who voted for Hillary. But, you have to take into consideration that the younger voters only represented 25% of the total voters. That is why Hillary was still able to come out ahead of all of the candidates.

    This primary voting shows that Hillary did very well in Michigan. Only about 39% were uncommitted. Most of these votes would probably go to Obama, then to Edwards and then to then rest of the candidates (minimal). So, considering the full slate of candidates, Hillary would have won by over 20% from the second place winner.

    Hillary '08-all the way!

    January 16, 2008 05:00 am at 5:00 am |
  18. sameera, nigeria

    clinton proved to be a snitch by continuing with the election despite her fellow party members withdrawal. this is politics and for people to say obama doesnt care about michigan is just shallow on their part because at this stage of the election decisions on where to hold elections should be a party decision not an individual one. clinton has just proved that she will do whatever it takes to win the elections and it is quite clear now that the reason shes a democrat is because there is a high possiblity of america choosing a democrat leader.

    Barrack obama is not only popular in america but around the world too. america as the worlds power needs a sensible and positive leader that will bring back the love and hope the world had in america and undo the hatred and bad image it has now due to the ill-thought decisions by the bush administration. i do hope obama wins as clinton is just playing politics and going by the figures instead of genuinely wanting change. so dont be fooled by her, its just pathetic that she plays the sympathy card, the american economy is ridiculously flawed, and the whole world is suffereing due to the rapid drop in the value of the dollar. something needs to be done and Obama is the man for the job.

    January 16, 2008 05:02 am at 5:02 am |
  19. Alex from IL

    Only 15% more dems would have Hillary over "nobody"? And no way of knowing how many people mistakenly put someone in for Write In? Jesus, I think she has quite an electability problem.

    January 16, 2008 05:06 am at 5:06 am |
  20. Princeton Student

    Well duh, this a no-brainer. Of course most African Americans intend to vote for Barack Obama. Some have legitimate reasons, some don't...but my dog could have figured this one out. This is not news, so why the heck is it being reported?

    January 16, 2008 05:08 am at 5:08 am |
  21. Anne

    I think that the best and the most qualified Democratic Presidential Candidate in this election was Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico. As many may know, he dropped out of the race last week. Apparantely with good reasons. It's unfortunate that Senators Obama and Edwards and other candidate's names were not on the Michigan primary ballot (their choice). I believe that things would have otherwise turned out differently. Now there's squabbling over the Nevada primary, caucas or whatever they call it. So I'm expecting the same thing to happen in Nevada on Jan. 19th as did in Michigan yesterday. Democratic candidates removing their names from the Nevada ballots. History does sometimes repeat itself.

    One thing for sure. There are two presidential candidates in the democratic and republican parties that I'm sure I won't be voting for on November 4 if either of them win the presidential nomination. It will be the first time that I didn't vote for a U.S. President. Oh. About the black and the white vote thing. Some of us decide to vote for the candidate we think is the best man or woman for the job. In other words we vote for the person not the political party. I rest my case.

    January 16, 2008 05:10 am at 5:10 am |
  22. jep

    Are we still voting racial in this day and age or as Americans?It beats my logic that my favorite news media CNN is playing race here. Blacks are not the only ones voting in this country, even if they all stayed home, Clinton will still win!! So stop playing this race game even when the candidates have stated to move on and build one America! Bravo Clinton way to go. As for CNN you lose me, MSNBC might be my choice. I am tired of you playing race when you should be uniting.I am black and I vote substance not race!
    Hilary '08

    January 16, 2008 05:20 am at 5:20 am |
  23. jep

    Go Hilary go and don't listen to what the racists are saying. You rock all the way to the white house come Nov. '08

    January 16, 2008 05:22 am at 5:22 am |
  24. NORMAN

    One thing is very CLEAR from this exercise, black people love their own and white people love there own very selves!

    Kudos to the Afro-American community for being so UNITED!!!

    Go Hill . . . go obama!

    January 16, 2008 05:25 am at 5:25 am |
  25. Rob

    HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THAT THESE BLACK VOTERS WERE ALSO EDWARDS SUPPORTERS??? OR THAT HILLARY "WON" BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONLY "NAME" ON THE LIST? What's the % of blacks in MI? AND WHY IS THE MEDIA IS SOOO OBSESSED WITH BLACK VOTERS??? I know why, because most people in the media are white and they are fixated on "OTHERS". Similar to how the media ALWAYS has a negative report about minority health, as if whites NEVER get sick. And BTW folks, Chris Matthews is doing damage control on Hillary because he has been accused of being VERY sexist. He has a tendency to make negative comments about females out of NOWHERE. And he's well known to hate the Clintons. He probably got chewed out because e-mails came in blasting him. Nevertheless, Bill Clinton should be embarrassed after this past week. He should recuse himself from this campaign as a former President, unless he is going to speak positively about his wife. He cannot hold Hillary's hand when other male leaders criticize her. This is unprecedented quasi-nepotism and manipulation of the democratic process. No other presidential candidate in modern history has had a former President attack their candidacy so hard. ***I don't want to see 4 to 8 yrs of THAT crap. And Hillary will pay for Bob Johnson blast Obama and NOT repudiating the comment. Johnson is not respected in the black community anyway.

    January 16, 2008 05:30 am at 5:30 am |
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