January 15th, 2008
09:00 PM ET
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Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'

(CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan tonight, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.

The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.

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  1. For Hillary

    Go Hillary, You will be one of the best presidents ever because you have the passion, the brains and the commitment to make things better for all of us. Don't listen to your bashers and their hateful comments. They only want to divide and destruct. We, your supporters sees the positives and the good things that you can do and turn this country around after what GWB have put us through. Hillary you will prevail. .....Hillary '08.

    January 17, 2008 01:13 am at 1:13 am |
  2. eric

    As a Flemisch/Belgian/european I truly do not understand some negative comments about Sen H.Clinton.She is intelligent,CEO/COO type,steady and strong and has a good grasp of all socio-economic matters which are important to the people.
    Compare it to Obama : good looking,good speaker using big words.Th

    January 17, 2008 06:41 am at 6:41 am |
  3. anon middle america

    beser January 16, 2008 10:06 am ET

    At first I found it surprising when I kept hearing and reading so many pundits allude to the fact that Hillary draws most of her support from the poorly educated. Then I read the comments by Hillary fanatics here and elsewhere who seem determined to provide anecdotal evidence to bolster that claim.

    John, boston, MA January 15, 2008

    Hillary lovers have dirtied this whole forum.

    ^^^^^^^^^ Two prime examples of Obama's supporters?? The candidate promising Unity?

    Versus the nasty lewd filth that spews of out the mouths of the hillaryhaters without end? Maybe we should all hope that Obama decides to split the Democratic party and make a third Populist Party for himself and all of his base fans because clearly the Democratic Party of THE people and for THE people no longer applies here.

    Obama the candidate for a Change 🙁 FROM the Democratic party!

    Please do GO AWAY Obama and take your more upscale academia highfalutin' yuppie guppies and wannabes with you – wasn't once with Kerry enough? The rest of us will even all chip in and send you a nice bottle of French Bordeaux wine – so sorry we can only AFFORFD to buy one.

    Oh and further apologies if Barack Obama's group of smug supporters have their more delicate sensibilities offended because not everyone in America is as highly educated, more affluent and of a better socio-economic classier status than they are. Yes, it certainly is true that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and the middle class is definitely getting smaller after eight years of the Republicans in office. Let us all pray that these same individuals never find themselves in less than flush or fortunate times or older!!

    But cheers to OBAMA'S NEW POPULIST PARTY... maybe in 2012 THE OLD Democratic Party can finally field its OWN candidate for a change!

    January 17, 2008 07:32 am at 7:32 am |
  4. David Snider

    Jimmy, stop confusing yourself. There are 7.5 million registered to vote in Michigan. Keep in mind Michigan is a Democrat state. So if half of 7.5 mil is 3.75 mil... 550,000 is a true POOR turnout. Most clinton supporters voted. Most obama voters and Edwards didnt turn out at all. Lets look at the combined Edwards votes in Iowa and New hapshire against Hillarys and you have no arguement at all

    Hmm 320,000 compared to 3.75 million democrats registered to vote equals 10% in Michigan for Hillary in my book

    January 17, 2008 02:21 pm at 2:21 pm |
  5. Marleen

    When I look at Obama; I don't see colour. When I hear Obama speak; I do not hear racial tones. I see an excellent speaker who stretches his long arms and hands as if to unite Americans together for a common goal. Whether or not all his policies are viable, he has the energy, the confidence to make clear decisions. No one person knows what will face the Americans in 2009, but I personally believe that a strong character such as Obama is capable of leading and listening to the hope and wishes of middle class Americans. Leadership is about having the confidence to gather the right resources and policies when making decisions. Obama's wife and children love him; it's refreshing to see their honest display of affection for each other.

    January 17, 2008 02:33 pm at 2:33 pm |
  6. mike king

    Why is it that Sen. Barack Obama is considered an "African American" candidate
    and not considered as a multi racial candidate?

    January 18, 2008 01:13 am at 1:13 am |
  7. Wilhemina

    Let's focus on the issue's the Clinton's beat Obama 20:1 when it comes to negatives. Do you remember their war on drugs?

    Rodger Clinton Jr. Bill's brother. When Bill was Governor of Arkansas, Roger was arrested for cocaine possession in 1984 and served a year in federal prison.[2] Subsequently, his brother granted him a pardon amongst the list of pardons issued on January 19, 2001.

    However, Roger continued to court legal trouble. On February 17, 2001, he was arrested and charged with two counts of drunken driving and one for disturbing the peace. In a deal that spared him jail time, Roger Clinton pleaded guilty to a non-alcohol-related charge of reckless driving. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    January 18, 2008 06:05 am at 6:05 am |
  8. Truth

    IRT first post

    Becky is that like Bush Jr going to war because Iraq is a vendetta because Saddam had placed Georg H. W. Bush Sr, his father, on his assanation list

    January 18, 2008 08:54 am at 8:54 am |
  9. Truth

    Is anyone else confused by anon middle America comments, wasn't it Obama who after graduating from Harvard took a $12, 000 a year job in south Chicago at a community center but didn't Hillary after graduating from Yale accept a partnership at Ross Law Firm.

    Anon congratulations you have qualified for MORON ALERT!!!!

    To all posters if you make a comment to support your candidate by bashing another candidate but your candidate hasn't demonstrated that they are any better or even a worst offender then the evidence/remarks you are posting to bring another candidate down you will get a MORON ALERT!!!

    I forgot to add Becky has also been awarded a MORON ALERT!!!!

    Becky is that like Bush Jr going to war with Iraq because it is a vendetta because Saddam had placed George H. W. Bush Sr, his father, on his assignation list

    January 18, 2008 09:13 am at 9:13 am |
  10. Teresa

    Hillary looks good with her WIN in NV. The main reason Obama has no chance is that most of the delegate rich states will lean toward Hillary on 2/5/07. It really is over. It was close for awhile tho 🙂

    January 19, 2008 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm |
  11. AL THE MAN

    BLACK, WHITE,YELLOW, RED, BROWN.....A voter votes because of his/her conscience!! not color of the skin

    January 20, 2008 03:42 am at 3:42 am |
  12. Anonymous

    voting can be confusing. Too bad the Michigan ballots didn't bave Obama as a choice.

    January 20, 2008 09:44 am at 9:44 am |
  13. Lisa California

    I am in favor of a strong, intelligent woman as President of the United States. As of the past few weeks, Hillary has been sounding both strong and intelligent, so I ask myself, is she stroong and intelligent? How does she make decisions? Does she make decisions like a strong intelligent woman would? In considering this question, the first thing to come to mind is her decision to marry Bill Clinton. Since Bill Clinton is a known womanizer and philanderer, and marriage is certainly one of the most important decisions of one's life; I must conclude that she does not make good decisiions.

    I am just really surprised by the amount of women who are supporting her. Granted nobody is perfect, and I can imagine many women might even forgive a man who cheated on them once, but to forgive a habitual cheater and continue an intimate relationship with him is to disrespect oneself, this is not a sign of strength or intelligence. Moreover, what is this behavior modeling for our next generation?

    January 20, 2008 07:15 pm at 7:15 pm |
  14. Anthony

    My thing is this... The Clinton's have had their time in the White House & during that time there were numerous laws passed that have adversly affected African Americans. 3 Strikes, mandatory minimums, habitual felon laws, NAFTA, etc, etc. The effect is that our jobs haved been outsourced, our black men have been institutionalized, murdered by police, our neighborhoods gentrified and our children have been criminalized. Black America is in dire straits and the Clinton's that we love so much have had a very large part in creating this distressed enviroment. Bill and Hillary have had their time in the White House and it is time for them move aside and pass the torch to the next generation. I am sure that they are good people but they are too detached from the Black Community to provide solutions to our issues...

    January 21, 2008 05:41 pm at 5:41 pm |
  15. Angela

    The democratic debate tonight was tasteless. Hillary Clinton is reaching. I hope she doesn't plan on basing her entire campaign on slandering Obama. She needs to focus more on herself and the issues that are important to her rather than focusing on her opponents, or well Obama. It appears that maybe she is threatened and weak, making me think her opponents ( who always seem more poised) are more qualified than her. And as a final thought, I would really like to stop hearing references to Bill Clinton. The first woman in the white house should not base a victory on her husband, it defeats the purpose in my mind.

    January 22, 2008 02:00 am at 2:00 am |
  16. Republican Voting Democratic

    Hands down – Obama is the clear choice. My trust level of Hillary has never changed from 0%.

    January 22, 2008 08:31 am at 8:31 am |
  17. Bill Arizona

    I struggle with the character issues where Hillary is concerned. Bill was a bright man who couldn't keep his zipper up, and his arrogance lay in never owning his narcisism or attempting to overcome up. Hillary's greatest vulnerability is never distancing herself from him and his decadence. And the arrogance of the "Friends of Bill and Hillary" era was so repugnant, where everything was for sale, from staying a night in the White House, to granting ill-conceived pardons in the last days of his presidency. They have no vision for America, beyond doing what's expedient. There are no convictions, no philosophical grounding, no sense of what the future should hold for our children, or how to bring the world past the pettiness of nationalism, sectarianism and fear. I long for the day when there are candidates available to the electorate that are actually palatable choices, unflawed by personal agendas and bias.

    January 22, 2008 09:08 am at 9:08 am |
  18. mt

    Ditto to:
    Hope in Detroit
    Lisa California
    anon middle america
    steve wilmington

    and to all Obama supporters.......
    Thank God, only in America can people communicate so fervently and freely.

    To others. Don't be deceived. Prepare yourself to deal with it....

    THERE WILL BE CHANGE IN 2008!!!! by the name of OBAMA!!!!

    January 23, 2008 08:18 pm at 8:18 pm |
  19. mr drunker

    I m sorry john edwards or mccain..not the thought police....

    January 26, 2008 09:35 pm at 9:35 pm |
  20. Anonymous

    Becky, you/re an idiot. Obama attends a Christian church, he's not a sleeper agent, and you're too stupid to even really deserve an opinion.

    Do yourself a favor. Get some teeth, get an education, and stop believing every piece of trash propaganda that some right wing lie-maker forwards to fools like you?


    January 27, 2008 01:35 am at 1:35 am |
  21. mt

    I have just added The NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN (NOW) to my list of extremist groups. Like all extremist who have a dictatorial and narrow definition of people, NOW has determined that they know what is best for ALL women and that women have no choice but to vote for Hillary Clinton. A vote for any other candidate is not a matter of choice but rather a vote AGAINST ALL WOMEN. GIVE ME A BREAK. What about the right of choice???? I suppose NOW can decide when I have a right of choice and when I don't ... just like Hillary changed her mind and is now trying to get (non-existent electoral) votes from Florida. Hillary and NOW deserve each other..... and I say this as an independent, educated, liberated woman who surrenders her right of choice to no one.

    January 30, 2008 08:14 pm at 8:14 pm |
  22. Erika

    Thought this was interesting, Senator Clinton only lost 1 county in NY to Senator Obama. However, Senator Obama lost 14 counties to Senator Clinton. Very interesting night for both candidates. Looks like we need to move on to the next primaries.

    February 6, 2008 12:07 am at 12:07 am |

    I just heard Hillary needs money to help win the White House!!! So I just made a donation!!!!

    I hope all women of all ages can try and send something too!!!!

    Lets all help!!!!

    GO HIllary!!!!

    NEW YORK LOVES YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    February 6, 2008 06:54 pm at 6:54 pm |
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