January 15th, 2008
09:00 PM ET
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Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'

(CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan tonight, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.

The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.

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  1. Friends don’t let friends post drunk

    I’m still waiting on the numbers for the ‘white vote’.


    January 16, 2008 12:32 am at 12:32 am |
  2. RENEE

    Obama for president and John Edwards for VP.

    January 16, 2008 12:33 am at 12:33 am |
  3. Mark, Minneapolis, MN

    Obama and Edwards combined could only muster 40% of the vote for Uncommitted? What's so great about that? It's a solid win for Clinton.

    January 16, 2008 12:36 am at 12:36 am |
  4. Luci

    For those of you trying to spin this as a Hillary win because she got 55% (with 97% in) The uncomitteds are really telling, yes some of those were probably for Edwards, but exit polling indicates that 73% of those voting uncommitted would have voted for Obama. So before you get all excited because that is still less than Clintons 55%, keep this in mind. There was really no reason to vote as they got no delegates and the weather was bad, so how many people stayed home and how would they have voted, We really don't know, but to have 40% vote uncommitted when yours is the only name on the ballot is a disaster. And I don't think it's just African Americans. I fit right in Sen. Clinton's main demographic (white, female, 40+) and she is the last person I would vote for. I volunteered for Bill Clinton back in '92, but I just can't support Hillary, she voted for the war without even thinking of the consequences.

    January 16, 2008 12:36 am at 12:36 am |
  5. Dr. Donald Leavitt

    As South Caroina goes, so goes Alabama, but nothing else!.

    January 16, 2008 12:37 am at 12:37 am |
  6. Jack O

    Obama is a great motivational speaker. It does make sense that the african-american people are more moved by Obama than others simply because they can relate to Obama more. His motivation techniques work more with them. Democracy should be more about experience and talent rather than how much motivation you can provide to your listeners. People seriously need to wake up! Clintons have done so much more for the african-american community that no one can deny. They are the champions of civil rights. Twisted words of Hillary in addition to some motivational techniques should not override the past contributions of the clintons. Again, people seriously need to wake up!

    Honestly speaking, Obama has very little experience. Even if he does get the nomination of Democratic Party he will NOT win the presidential election. There are many reasons behind that. One reason would be that he will be slammed by the republicans for his lack of experience. On the other hand, if Hillary gets the nomination overwhelmingly people will vote for her. She already has a good political experience and base.

    January 16, 2008 12:38 am at 12:38 am |
  7. girrlgil, sanfrancisco

    CNN WHEN will you guys stop talking about this race issue?

    January 16, 2008 12:38 am at 12:38 am |
  8. kai, NYC, NY

    All these people that are jumping on the Obama band wagon... saying I'm voting Obama because he's got swagger or he's cute. How pathetic is that. Yes the guy talks like a preacher man or a motivational speaker. But charm, swagger, or looks do not make you presidential material. God help us if we vote in someone based on their looks or swagger. How about we elect Tom Cruise or Angelina Jolie for president? This country is going down the toilet.

    January 16, 2008 12:38 am at 12:38 am |


    January 16, 2008 12:38 am at 12:38 am |
  10. Victoria

    wow the hillary bashing again....She won the debate and your guys lost..face it..
    Obama made statements that he did not push the press to keep going with the race issue and TIm Russett shoved three pages of it in his face....

    January 16, 2008 12:38 am at 12:38 am |
  11. Robin Wagner from ct

    This is very good new for Barack . That mic African Americans would of voted for Barack . Well maybe she should never started this race thing to begin with .
    73% for Barack yes we can . BIG SMILE .

    January 16, 2008 12:39 am at 12:39 am |
  12. Dave

    Here is how I take the Michigan primary results. Clinton was the only major name on the ballot that could be voted for, and the campaign to vote for uncommitted as a protest only existed for about a week prior to todays primary. Therefore, people unaware of the vote uncommitted campaign, or unsure of how it worked, would have stayed home, not Clinton supporters, who could have actually voted for their candidate.

    You can not look at the uncommitted vote as being the total of the Obama, Edwards support, as many Democrats also voted in the Republican primary (more moderate Democrats, who are more likely to support Obama or Edwards). Also, the total turnout of this primary is nowhere near what it would have been if candidates were actually campaigning in the state. No one can truly claim victory here, especially Clinton, who only received 55% of the vote in a state where she in effect ran unopposed.

    January 16, 2008 12:39 am at 12:39 am |
  13. Vitorrio B

    Listen, friends:

    I'm from Michigan, and I'm an African American. And I'm a political junky. But I was not motivated to vote in the DEM primary because...WHO CARES! The votes won't count, and if we didn't get enough uncommitted votes, then still no one really loses.

    Do you understand how many other African Americans felt the same way I did. Who didn't feel like standing in line in the cold to vote today, for a pointless, countless election?Hillary lost horribly today, and if Obama had been on the ballot, she would have been annihilated.

    Now, what I really hope is that John Edwards stays in the race, because I really like him, and I would love to learn more about him and Obama. Hillary is a characterless, conniving, divider. If her campaign tactics are any indication of how she plays the political game, then i don't want any part of it. We need to be united as one nation when this is over, because we have a lot of problems that need solving.

    January 16, 2008 12:39 am at 12:39 am |
  14. CHRIS NY

    isnt carl rove the same snake behind bush candidacy the same guy they call the mastermind behind the war the guy they say is bush brain he the one whose helping hillary clinton he gonna destroy the country dont let that snake win.

    January 16, 2008 12:42 am at 12:42 am |
  15. EriK

    It's really upsetting to see the Clinton camp's strategy. It now seems to be "find a way to bring mudslinging into the public arena without OVERTLY slinging mud." By talking about how *you're not talking about something,* you are effectively talking about it. I'm sad at Bob Johnson and Charlie Rangel are right on board with this scheme, as well. This is the kind of old-style politics Obama and his supporters want to see change. It's shameful, to be quite honest.

    What's really surprising is how obvious (to me, at least) that that's what they're doing. I hope it's not actually working on the American people.

    January 16, 2008 12:42 am at 12:42 am |
  16. Wally

    It's highly unfortuante that this is becoming a black and white race. I am an highly educated MBA professional Black man with solid African roots , not just African American who strongly belives that Obama is not experienced enough to be President hence my voting for Hillary Clinton. This should not be about race but about being qualified enough from day one to lead our great country. After all my travels in Europe and Africa, I am insuted that Obama consider his foreign experince is solid with just a few yearrs of living in Indonesia when he was a kid compared to over 100 visits of Hillary as First lady and a Senator. I guess we will be faced with the same insexperience that Bush had when he became President and look at the damage that he has done to our foreign relations. As a country we need to think very well and vote for experience and quality for change. or less we are going to be worse off that we were for the past 8 years

    January 16, 2008 12:43 am at 12:43 am |
  17. Ebony

    I am an Obama supporter! I was disappointed to see the correspondents on the panel support Clinton .Edwards held his ground and no one really gave him credit. Clinton is riding on the curtails of her husband. Her career is mostly being an attorney.She has been living through her husband.

    Obama is the true champion! He was very professional , real ,and understands business and this confused country. I will support Obama until the end. This country is racist and is not truly ready for a change. Hilary will have her husband telling her how to run the country.She can't think for herself. She always changes as she did on Iraq , Bankruptcy bill, and everything else. Obama has been consistent with his answers along with Edwards.

    Clinton just has big money pockets which are supporters of her husband. Clinton should have dropped Robert Johnson for his crazy and ridiculous comments. As an African-American woman I ashamed of Mr. Johnson and some of the blacks that are supporting Hillary Clinton. Please do not believe that all blacks are supporting the Clinton's . The Clinton's have not done much in the clack community but put an office in Harlem. Truth be told it was the Bush administration that hired more blacks and Latinos in its administration. We have the highest ranking woman Condie Rice as our Secretary of State and we had Colin Powell.What did the Clinton's do when Bill was president?Blacks should be ashamed of themselves by dumping on Obama. We as a people are not ready for a black president. Also, I would like to know what have Hilary Clinton done for the Hispanic community?

    January 16, 2008 12:47 am at 12:47 am |
  18. Tim

    Obama getting 73% of the black votes in the MI exit polls means nothing. Blacks can think for themselves. Blacks will vote their own minds, not based on race. Those that like Hillary will vote for her and those that like Obama will vote for him but not just because he is black hopefully. It would be stupid to vote for Obama just because he is black and not for what he can do for the country.

    January 16, 2008 12:48 am at 12:48 am |
  19. CL

    To those who are upset about CNN's relentless focus on the AA population (as opposed to the Hispanic/White population), quit whining, the odds of your respective groups getting reported will ALWAYS beat that of Asian Americans'.

    January 16, 2008 12:49 am at 12:49 am |
  20. Jim A

    I predict the conniving, calculating, egotistical Hillary Clinton will win nomination as well as the Presidency. I also predict that Jeb Bush will seek to unseat Hillary in 2012 or 2016 and if he is successful, we would have successive terms of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush in the White House!!! Hey, who knows Chelsea Clinton may decide it's her birthright to be a President of these United States after Jeb... Perish the thought!!! This country will be truly be great again when all the Bushes and Clinton's leave the political scene for good!!!

    January 16, 2008 12:49 am at 12:49 am |
  21. mike

    fj, that is your opinion and a nice spin but lets stick to the facts, and the facts are that over 70% of the uncommitted african american vote went to obama. that is a fact not spin...

    January 16, 2008 12:54 am at 12:54 am |
  22. aisha naeem

    and edwards and barach had speeched over and over to people in mi to go and vote uncommited .so if hillary had 55%of votes against 3candidates with 45%guess who is the real winner go hillary .

    January 16, 2008 12:54 am at 12:54 am |
  23. Shel, Seattle, WA

    Why does the Ticker consistently put an anti-Hillary article up every night as their last posting, so it will stay up all night long?? I'm noticing a biased pattern here. Hope the Ticker goes back to being more balanced.

    January 16, 2008 12:54 am at 12:54 am |
  24. Tony, Lawrence, KS

    "Clinton won almost 60% of the votes when Obama and Edwards supporters combined voted uncommitted for 39%."

    I've seen too many comments like this. Michigan isn't a victory or a loss for anyone on the Democrat side. What about all the Obama and Edwards supporters who stayed home? What about those who cast a vote for Clinton because she was the only viable candidate on the list?

    Let's be realistic. Where two of the front-runners aren't on the ballot, the results don't really tell us anything. It ends up being a wash: people will say that Clinton "won" because she got the greatest percentage of votes; others will say that she "lost" because she didn't win >80% of the vote. We should wait for the races where all candidates are on the ballots and delegates are actually won before we make any such assumption.

    January 16, 2008 12:55 am at 12:55 am |
  25. John

    CNN = Completely Nutcase Network. I agree with FJ above, though for different reasons, that the analysis here is flawed. If CNN is somehow using Michigan to predict, or infer something about, future results, then Hillary can sleep comfortably knowing she'll be coasting easily to 55-40 wins all over the country. Let go of the race thing already; even they are past it now. If the voters divide over racial lines, there's no way Obama will win (obviously). Let's hope we don't come to that.

    January 16, 2008 12:57 am at 12:57 am |
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