January 15th, 2008
09:00 PM ET
15 years ago
Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'
(CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan tonight, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.
The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.
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"Otherwise, please offer commentary on the ‘white vote’ as well." ~ Grant,
Um, you do know that when the pundits talk about the Republican Evangelical Vote,They are talking about the "White Vote".
I hear Schneider say the White Evangelical Vote all the time when he talks about Republican poll numbers.
I have also heard pundits refer to White Democrats as "The White Liberal Voters" So, yes. You guys do get a shout out every now and then. Don't feel left out sugar.
;p
for those of you making your comments about Chris Matthews.....I totally agree. It's interesting. I've followed him for years and always liked him. Now, I'm losing respect for him on a daily basis. He obviously does not like Hillary as a candidate, but everytime he gets a chance to push her to the forefront, he does. He's becoming a story-pusher.....dare I say it.....???.....a media-w&*%e.
It's too bad. All the more reason we need someone new and different. I'm so tired of the establishment in all of its forms. Go Obama!!
There was 2 feet of snow on the ground and Dems had nothing to gain so how many supporters of Hillary or Obama didn't even bother to vote? People just take every little crumb the media throws out there and just eats it right up. NV is next, then SC so let's not let the news media fool us again.
For those of you who say it is all Clinton's fault and she can't win...yada yada yada....Obama owned up to his part in the bickering back and forth of late, apparently a lengthy email was sent to the media from his group. So they were involved in all the behind the scenes fueling of the fire while he pretended to be above it all. He said it was a mistake. So they both blamed it on other people in their camps, made nice, and moved on.
If you think all of these dividing stories about Dem candidates are just great press think again. The Dem race is just half of what is going on, who ever wins has to be able to take on the Republican party. They will have all the "positive" media support they can handle. How much negativity do you see right now towards them? Almost none.
It is a shame that the Michigan primary was deemed invalid because even with Obama and Edwards on the ballot, Hillary's numbers would have approached 50% with a CLEAR win.
Hillary was amazing as always tonite in the debate.
I recall the expression "like shooting fish in a barrel"!
HILLARY '08
Hillary did extremely well!!! 40% uncommitted included Obama PLUS Edwards supporters!If 70% of the blacks voted for Obama/Edwards ,30% voted FOR her.Obviously many of the blacks supporting her did not find it necessary to turn up because she was the ONLY candidate!Probably of that 70% 30% voted for Edwards and 40%for Obama.
You cannot infer from the above that therefore only 30% of the blacks will vote for Hillary in S.Carolina.
CNN, you are fired!
CNN wants to divide people in terms of race.....You can't digest Hillary's win ,that's the bottomline!!!
Does the media have to find something negative about Hillary Clinton no matter what she does? Michigan is a non-issue due to their delegate situation, and CNN has to make something of it. Media should be reporting, and not influencing the news.
I'm certain that many democrats didn't even bother to vote because the other candidates weren't represented on the ballot. Whether Clinton was the only candidate or not, many democrats didn't go to the polls...so the numbers only reflect those that did vote. No one can speaks for those that didn't vote. This story was a whole lot of nothing. Anything for a headline? Maybe...just maybe...
Blacks are voting for Obama- who would have thought? Apparently the exit polls showed that if the other candidates were on the ballots Hillary still would have won with 45% of the vote. Wonder why that didn't make it into the story.
What a crime that Kucinich was left out of the debate. Kucinich got almost as many votes in the Michigan primary as Giuliani and Thompson did, does that mean that the next corporate propaganda debate that occurs will exclude Giuliani and Thompson? I would expect so!! Good job MSNBC for following suit with the rest of the fascist mainstream media.
Keep on fighting Dennis Kucinich!!!!!
After New Hampshire, who cares about polls now? Do anyone take notice of CNN's polls at all and their biased journalism? Just state the facts-that is what all Americans want!
You do not even have to analyze things for us-that is for us to do, because when you do, you put way too much meaning into things, ending up saying that which is not meant.
In Michigan, two thirds of white people voted Clinton and one third uncommitted. These proportions were switched in the case of black voters. Of course, less black than white meant more votes for Clinton. If this rule will apply in SC where % of black and white voters is similar, it will be a tie. Where is the troubling news?
Nobody’s second place finish in Michigan
On Tuesday, With no other major candidates names on the ballot, Hillary Clinton was able to get 55% of the vote in the Michigan Democratic primary, but the real story on Wednesday should be the 225,506 + who left their house and went down to their precinct, knowing their state had been striped of its delegates, and voted uncommitted.
When “nobody” runs against her, “nobody” starts with 40%. And “nobody” didn’t even have to campaign. “Nobody” spent no money in this race. “Nobody” didn’t even run one add. What happens when you add John McCain or Rudy Giuliani in place of “nobody”?
As democrats we have to think long and hard about nominating a candidate who is so divisive. We shouldn’t spend these preciously important years ahead re-fighting old fights or addressing political grudges. If we are what we say we are than we must love our country more than this, and choose a leader who can bring Americans together. Our society’s needs are too great, the time to pivotal, for anything but fundamental change backed by broad-based support from the American people. Senator Obama proved in Iowa he can do this, and nobody proved it on Tuesday.
What happened to her saying that the democrat party should stay united? Why didn't she take her name off the ballot as well?
OBAMA /EDWARDS08!!!!!
People who say that the combined efforts of Edwards and Obama (as "uncommitted") lost to Hillary are obviously not thinking the entire situation through. A large number of people who supported Obama or Edwards did not even go vote because their candidates were not on the ballot. There was no point. It was basically Hillary or no one. I could have won if it was me vs. nobody as well. People aren't going to turn out unless there's incentive, and the combined factors of Michigan not having any say for democrats and that Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot kept people from showing up. End of story. I know I wouldn't have voted if the candidate I supported wasn't on the ballot and my vote meant absolutely nothing.
This article does seem misleading. The huge factor not taken into consideration is Michigan's open primary.
The Democratic vote does not matter since the state is being penalized 100% of its delegates. However, the state has an open primary. Personally, if I were a Democratic voter in Michigan I would have gone to the polls... and voted for the REPUBLICAN that I like the best. At least that way I would actually be having a say.
At the moment I am undecided, so I am not just saying this to support Clinton, but considering the bizarre situation in Michigan, I do not think it is appropriate to draw any conclusions from the Democratic vote. Such conclusions would be built on very faulty foundations.
Read this people: Hillary got 55%. Even if Obama had gotten all of the votes from the uncommitted, Hillary had still won by 15% points. But 40% has to be divided by two other candidates: Obama and Edwards. So her victory over whoever had been second would had been over 15% points.
Michigan is in a deep economic recession and they know Hillary is by far the only candidate able to fix that. To all of you Obama supporters: What's Obama's plan? what is it? I bet anything you don't know what his plan is.
So Obama and Edwards were not in the ballot, so what; 55% is over half the people that voted, to put it into perspective: almost 330,000 voters elected Hillary! That's 11% above the entire voting count all together.
Hillary 08
How naiive can CNN be?In fact Obama should be very worried bacause with the weakening economy ,it will become far more important an issue than Iraq.
I agree with john above.
You have to analyse that Obama/Edwards 40% uncommitted vote against Hillary.
Let us give 30% to Obama and 10% to Edwards – Even then Hillary would have
beaten Obama 55% to 30%.
All things being equal that is a fair calculation.
Geez, look Most African Americans don't vote on race. If that was true then Blackwell (OH) would have not lost by oh 30 percent!.
The voting populace in SC is very different than in Michigan. Do not confuse how northern African Americans vote with how southern African Americans vote. Besides in the general election most AA will side with the democrat no matter who they are. Clinton will win the majority of the southern states on the way to the nomination. Barrack plays better out west and in the mid west.
Americans, Americans, Americans...
You really deserve what you get
You HAVE NOT learned your lesson. You vote for "The likable" Bush and end up with 7-8 years of misery going deeper and deeper, but that is not enough, go with the "other likable" guy and UNITED go even deeper.
Because counts how CAN ! He is steel very yang, let him get mote experience and then.. why not?
All you , how do not like Hilary, could you please tell me at least 3 reasons? Or you do not like yourself any more? Your well being is on the stake!
I am observing you politics for 17 years and trust me on it : SHE is you answer considering the american international, economical, political and social situation write now.
Congratulation CNN. You did it again........Divideand Conquer. We are trying to bypass this racial issue because we want to know about war, economy, etc. issues. Please........I like you guys a lot but stop.
If Hilary learns how not to talk too much and be more articulate on the campaign trail, her position might get stronger. Every so often, she just says things that puts her in trouble and discredits her candidacy, making Bill and the whole campaign to reverse to damage control! A president should be very articulate in speech and action.
Did any exit poll show how many Clinton voters chose not to go to vote?