Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'
[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/15/art.clintonmichigan.ap.jpg caption=" Clinton won less than a quarter of support from black voters."](CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan Tuesday night, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.
The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.
Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan’s African-American voters - a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan’s Democratic electorate - did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the “uncommitted” option instead. Yet these voters weren’t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.
Had Obama’s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina’s large African-American community votes as Michigan’s, Hillary may not be feeling much ‘southern hospitality’ in that state.
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Again, CNN does it's best job to put Obama and his campaign in the most positive light. 70% of the black vote, which constitutes 25% of the total vote would NOT have swayed the end results. Clinton would have STILL been the winnner, regardless! And, these results also indicate that Clinton still managed to garner thirty percent even with the uproar and media sensationalizing over the supposed race issue.
What I am most sickened by, though, is that CNN put up on the airwaves these statistics and it appeared as if Obama would have won by 70% of the entire vote. Please BE CLEAR and remember that you are supposed to be jouranilists, not campaign SUPPORTERS!
Ridiculous!
Obama – Double Standards are in use....
Look his background and beliefs up....He is suppose to unite?
I don't give a fig about Michigan's "beauty contest" on the Democratic side.
But, did anybody watch last night's debate? It solidified for me who was the best prepared, most knowledgeable, and indeed as she keeps saying it, the one "ready to lead from day one". It was a masterful performance by Sen. Clinton, she knew the ins-and-outs of every issue that she was asked. Her responses were thorough and thoughtful, no pat answers.
While Sens. Obama & Edwards are bright and capable men, the sheer depth of knowledge demonstrated by Sen. Clinton last night reinforces my belief that she would be the best Democratic choice for 2008.
The country is in too much trouble to chose substance over style. Therefore, I'm voting for Hillary Clinton in my state's primary and in the general election.
Wake up Democrats! The Republicans are loving this. I watched Fox this morning and one of their commentators was interviewing Jessie Jackson, Sr. and he was talking about the economy and she kept interupting him and asking him about the "race" factor. It's the EONOMY and the WAR,and EDUCATION. The Republicans do not want us to talk about any of these because when we do, the Democrats will win everytime. No matter who you support in the Primary, if we do not stop this we will be a weakened party and the Republicans will win.
Hillary is getting exactly the equal and opposite reaction that she and her campaign
didn't expect. She sent Bill out to be her attack dog so she could reamin "clean".
Now it's backfiring on her. It was an obvious ploy to do this.Even after the
blowback started she had Charley Rangle repeating the same lines Bill said
before, continuing the attack. Hillary is phoney and two faced and her plastic
bubble (like Romney) will pop when something breaks the facade.
**VOTE NONE OF THE ABOVE!** Political parties are corrupt and useless..
The GOP has to love this, maybe the end of the Dems hold over the black vote is ending and the base will crumble.. keep up the comments folks and make 'em happy!
John January 16, 2008 11:33 am ET
"Uncommitted" represents Obama and Edwards combined. Hillary beat them both with 55%. Stop spinning this.
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This is not wholly correct. 236,723 democratic votes were cast. Yes, Hillary Clinton obtained 55% of those votes and "won", but it doesn't clearly indicate that she "beat" them. There was a large number of write-in votes for Obama and Edwards that were not counted since they declined to be considered as write-in candidates. In addition, despite the confusion of those who weren't aware of Obama's and Edward's decisons to not participate, there were large numbers of the MI democratic party population that did not vote simply because their choice for nominee was not on the ballot.
CNN's statistics and headlines regarding Hillary's "victory" in MI is a pretty big stretch.
Obama '08
Well, the Clinton folk are racists. I'm a politcial junkie and have been surfing these forums for months, now, and all I see are posts from Clinton partisan's belittling Obama and men in general. It's really quite sickening. As for either of them being the best candidate, forget it. We are entering into what is likely to be the worst DEPRESSION in our nations history. We have outsourced jobs, the production capacity, the technology to the extent that we simply cannot work our way out of the mess we're in. Globalization, as people like Lou Dobbs have been warning for some time, is new territory, the consequences of which no one understands. This country jumped off the "free trade" bridge without knowing what lies below. It turns out that what lies below is economic collapse. Now, both Clinton and Obama are "free traitors" and are still wedded to that belief, as if outsourcing another 50 million jobs is going to help us out of the current mess. Idiots. None of the candidates has a clue. I wonder how many lifes will be wrecked before the fools leading both parties shove themselves away from the corporate feed trough and end outsourcing and guest workers and foreign students taking places from Amercian students in ur college medical, science, engineering, and computer programs (over HALF of those students are Indian or Chinese nationals, their tuition and fees paid in a block by their governments. The colleges receive up to four times the tuition and fees...."found money", and for the Chinese and Indian governments its a lot cheaper than building and staffing a new university. It has also, however, created a huge gap in this country where we lack those specialists.)
The truth of the matter is, if all the candidates where of the same race and gender, Hillary would be beating them by an outrageous percentage. Last night's debate solidified one thought in my mind, and that is, she is the only one ready to be president next year.
It's not because I'm a woman, I have voted for plenty of men in the past, it's because if you were to close your eyes when the candidates answer questions and listen to their answers, you would realize as I have, that she has answers that can actually solve some of our major issues facing this country. She doesn't dance around issues, like others do, she has resolutions to them.
IT"S TOO BAD THERE NOT ALL OF ONE RACE AND GENDER; this venting back and forth would be over with.
CNN, do you think Americans are Stupid morons who cannot think for themselves. Americans have lost credibility in you. The more you post this kind of news the more redundant CNN becomes.
Remember there hundreds of reliable news sources. We are no longer in the 60s or 70s. Internet has change the news landscape.
Who says that when blacks vote they won't vote for Clinton? I like the other comment as well. "Who says that if you vote for someone else besides Obama, you are a racist? I don't think that Obama is qualified for the job. He is very young. If he does not throw too much mud, he may come back and win when he is a bit older and more experienced. if he throws alot of mud, he will go the way of Howard Dean and Heinz. BOORING!
So as a white male liberal if Clinton does not win should I vote for McCain?
That's what is happening here they are trying to divide everything by race/class....
Stripped of their delegates because the election was too early? What difference does it make when they decide to hold their election? Politics is so ridiculous sometimes .. well, most of the time.
How does one "win" a "contest" that doesn't even count? The entire situation in Michigan in regards to the Democratic primary is ridiculous. It's even more absurd that only one candidate chose to stay on the ballot when the others did what they were supposed to and pulled their names. So, she "won" a state that has no delegates because she believed(s) herself to be above the rules? Uh, okay. Congratulations? Jeez.
When is she going to pack up and go home? I don't think we are ready for another 'Clinton' in Office! If you want the rest of the country to look like Michigan, well... she's the woman for the job!!! Viva Le Revolution!
I don't think the polls take into consideration that some democrats may have voted republican due to the lack of their chosen canidate being on our ballet.
I for one do not appreciate the message the democrats sent saying that Michigan was not important enough for them to put a little effort into just because our primary was earlier than usual, that this was some how an inconvenience to them. (Hats off to the democrats that did include their name in the primary).
Maybe this matter should be brought to the attention the candidates that chose not to participate in Michigans primary and how it may reflect to other voters in other states.
Thank you.
Stop blaming CNN for their coverage of the election. Listen to the candidates for yourself and make your decision.
As an African-American people feel that I am automatically voting for Obama and that is not the case. I like to actually LISTEN to the candidates and vote for the person I feel will do the best job. CNN or anyone else cannot sway me.
I suggest we all imagine Obama and Clinton are wearing "average white male" masks. Now just listen to their words, observe actions and records, and judge accordingly.
Hillary is big business and business as usual. Citizens of Michigan are smart enough to see this woman has no concept of what's important to them. She feathers her own interests, and has done NOTHING to improve the lives of the citizens of New York state. Proving she'll do nothing for the citizens of any other state ! Move over – it's time for a whole new day in Washington, we're sick and tired of loss of jobs, lack of education and war support !! This woman is NOT qualified to run this country and turn us towards prosperity and respect in the world again !
OK. Before anyone rips me and accuses me of being a racist, I am not, I am a realist. I honeslty in my mind feel the only reason Obama is getting much of the black vote is because he is black. I do not want a president to get elected by getting the black vote because they are black, or getting the female vote because she is female, but sad to say, this is what is happening. I wish America as a whole would look at the candidate for what they represent, not their gender and not their race. I hear this on the media circut all the time, Talking about South Carolina, the percentage of the black vote going to Obama due to the fact a high percentage of the state is black, Michigan, the same thing. I am just a small unknown voice, but I wish the candidate would win the nomination based on what they can do for the country, sadly though, whether the media or anyone else wants to publicly admit it, much of the black vote will go to Obama due to the color of his skin. I hope EVERYONE regardless of gender, or race will vote for a candidate on the issues that are currently affecting this country and the way that candidate will fix these issues.
so from what i read blacks will vote for blacks regardless of qualifications or experience..that's a shame!!
CNN there was once a time when you were my favorite way to get news I was interested in. I lately have been disturbed by the way you continue to try and bring down candidates, divide the race into a racial conflict and demoralize what americans deserve; which is to form our own opinions about the candidates and not have you create them for us by using your faulty polls and commentary.
You lost a viewer here, my family and friends will also discontinue to view your channel, my place of business also is choosing to no longer watch your channel.
stay tuned because I believe many more in our country will do the same.
Leave the candidates alone and let them tell the people how they will run the country, not how you will broadcast it.
Both sides seem to be using "code words" to disguise the race issue. However, I have trouble when people try to blame Obama for starting all of this. Why does Obama need to play the "race card"? We all know he is black when we look at him...he doesn't need to bring these issues up.
If I remember correctly this whole mess stared when the Clintons had a prominent black figure openly criticize Obama in "coded language." That sounds like playing the race card to me with about as coded language as one can use.
And please don't pretend like the Candidates aren't planning every step of this process. Nothing the Clintons or Obama have done has been an accident.
You guys are getting to be as bad as FOX in attempting to steer the election. My question to you is simple. Why is the Republican win by 9 points by Romeny such a big thing and Clinton's win by 15 points (Obama would have received 40% and that is if Edwards received 0%, a highly unlikely feat) goes against her?
While the black vote seems to be the issue, and while we are in the primary stage of the election, Obama does seem viable. But looking beyond that,Obama even with the black vote cannot win SC in the General Election.
Fact. SC is made-up of a population of 67.2%White and 29.5%Black. And while all of these are not registered voters NOW, if Obama wins the Primary the white voter base will fire up and clearly outnumbers the black vote by almost a 3-1 ratio. These numbers are similar in a number of other key states.
It is clever of you right-wing controlled media outlets to try and steer things to get Obama past the primaries so that you and the GOP can trash him in the Generals. We all know that Clintons closest has already been opened and has been for years so theres nothing to left to attack her for. Let the news play out and quit trying to make it...
This seems so biased. People are foolish to think that Obama can win the nomination. GO HILLARY!