Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'
[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/15/art.clintonmichigan.ap.jpg caption=" Clinton won less than a quarter of support from black voters."](CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan Tuesday night, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.
The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.
Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan’s African-American voters - a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan’s Democratic electorate - did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the “uncommitted” option instead. Yet these voters weren’t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.
Had Obama’s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina’s large African-American community votes as Michigan’s, Hillary may not be feeling much ‘southern hospitality’ in that state.
Related: Blacks, youngest voters choose 'uncommitted' over Clinton
- CNN Political Producer Alan Isenberg
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CNN you are soooo stupid sometimes.
Before running a story ask yourself a series of questions: Are we playing into the hype? Is the information presented significant? Does what we are trying to communicate really mean anything to anyone?
This story passes none of the three tests. A trend I expect that will only continue. Your news coverage is losing more of its relevance with me every day.
Race, schmace... The issue is: there is no issue, and people are having second thoughts about 'Empress Hillary'...
Alrighty, I've tried posting this twice and each time it says it's awaiting moderation and then never gets posted. I'm thinking it's because I included links, so I got rid of them. Hopefully, this will finally see the light of day.
To Super Tuesday Voter and A Challenge, I kinda take offense to you trashing Obama's church. Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) is just one denomination of the United Church of Christ (UCC). Granted, it's the largest denomination but it isn't the only denomination. I suggest you go to the UCC's official site (www.ucc.org) which gives you a more comprehensive look at what the UCC is all about. There's also a piece there by the UCC's General Minister, John H. Thomas that denounces the smear campaign against TUCC.
My wife is a member of the UCC (I'm Byzantine Catholic) and I can honestly say that I think that the UCC is the most Christian church of any that I've ever been to. And I've been to quite a few as my wife was looking for a church to call "home" for the past 8 years or so. If it wouldn't send my mother to an early grave, I'd flip over ASAP. The UCC really is all about helping the least among us just as Christ would have wanted us to do. So don't go trashing it before you know all the facts.
With that being said, I'm actually a John Edwards supporter. I'm big into fighting corporate greed and getting big business money out of Washington. Let's face it. Most politicians are bought and sold by Industry Interests so they pass laws that help multi-billion dollar companies but stomp on the hard working folk who provide the purchasing power for this country.
That's why heads of the Banking Industry helped write our new bankruptcy laws and the heads of the oil and gas industries wrote our energy plan. Do any of you honestly think these corporate goofs wrote these plans with our best interest in minds? Hell no! They wrote them solely to benefit themselves and the never satiated suits on Wall Street.
Edwards has been the only candidate who has stayed consistent to his message of taking on Big Business and putting the power of Washington back into OUR hands. And being a trial lawyer (which the Republicans cast as practically being the anti-christ), Edwards defended the working class, the little guy, against big, powerful corporate entities (think Erin Brockovich). If he could do it in the private sector, I bet he could do it in the federal government as well.
Edwards 2008 (wouldn't mind if Obama was the VP pick, though)
Hey, CNN.
I've been relying on you for news for numerous years now but due to your Clinton-smear campaign, I'm going to be watching msnbc from now on. I'll be blogging and Vlogging and advising all of my readers to look elsewhere for an unbiased news-source.
Cheers!
Beth
John January 16, 2008 11:33 am ET
"Uncommitted" represents Obama and Edwards combined. Hillary beat them both with 55%. Stop spinning this.
STOP! Read before posting. You do not understand that since Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot that many people didn't bother to even show up and waste their time.
Other than that, many Democrats voted Republican because in that race their vote would matter. If Obama and Edwards were on the ballot, many more people would have shown up to vote, and many Dems that voted Repub would have voted for their real Dem choice.
All this means is that 40% of the people that bothered to actually go and vote, voted against Hillary, which is terrible if you think about it.
One more thing...I am so sick of these comments:
"I love all the Hillary "supporters" coming out of the woodwork to comment on this piece. So c'mon, guys, fess up: how many of ya'll are plants from the Clinton campaign?"
I am a Hillary supporter. I also consider myself, in some way, part of her campaign. Do I work for her campaign? Of course I do, I support her and am working very hard to ensure she gets elected! Am I on her payroll? Certainly not. I have made the decision, as an individual to "work" for Hillary because I support everything she stands for and believes in. Of course anyone with this conviction is going to sound like they work for her campaign because they do! Step foot in a campaign office? No. Receive a paycheck from her? No. Give tirelessly of ourselves for someone we believe in? YES! Please stop insulting me and others like me. If working hard and giving of yourself for something you believe in is now a crime, I am guilty! Last I checked, however, it is what this great country was built on and you should be ashamed for trying to strip that away from other Americans.
I am a college professor and director of music at a United Methodist Church. I am active in my community and I support the candidate that I and so many others feel can and will lead this country in the right direction. So yes, I am "from her campaign" ...and proud of it!!
Interesting, Barack Obama is multi-ethnic? Kind of like say Tiger woods. It will be a sad commentary on America if his skin color is the only reason why people did not vote for him. Ditto for those who do not vote for Clinton because of her gender and not policy. Vote based on policy not skin complexion or gender. Shame on those closet racists and sexists in the media who hype this division. It is a shame that qualifications and intellect are not valued more than superficialities, otherwise we would have had a President Gore and we would not be in a war of artrition in Iraq.
CNN has been after Hillary from day one. It's getting real old real fast.
GO HILLARY!
YOU HAVE THE INTEGRITY, THE EXPERIENCE, AND THE CLASS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE NEEDS!
It was folly for the governor of Michigan to even have this primary under pretext of "trying" to help the down-sliding economy. All she wanted to do was help Hillary. Millions of dollars have been wastefully spent, all for nothing. The party should not even come to a compromise and seat any delegates in order to keep their words and fairness to the people. The people of Michigan have been suffering and all Granholm is trying to do is hoping for a spot in any administration if HRC is elected. No one is fooled by this. Meanwhile, money we don't have has been spent and more people are losing jobs and homes. Even being on the ballot smacks of "crossing the picket line". No wonder we democrats are looking across the aisle and don't be surprised if Michigan votes republican next time.
Could you please leave Hillary alone ?? Doesn't CNN has any other news??? you are all racist!! just because she is a woman !! Get with the 21st century woman can be leaders and better than men.
She is very smart and she will demostrate that she can be an excellent President !!
Hillary has herself to blame. She is very smart but her trying to win at any cost attitude is disgusting. i believe her campaign brought up the race card in not so obvious ways inorder to bait Obama into playing the race card . The strategy was to get him to play the race card and then he would sound just like another " conspiracy brother" and he would lose the support of th many people who saw him as just another presidential candidate who happened to be black. As a young black woman who works very hard , i want people to take me more for the person i am not the color of my skin. I feel that i dont need to tout my blackness or brownness because i want to believe that if i adopt an attitude of being color blind the people around will acknowledge me for my hard work despite my color . Of course you will get the occassional people who who want to live in the stereo-types but like OBAMA said i want to believe those people are in the minorty and really are missing out in life on the great strides and changes we all have made as race ( that is the HUMAN RACE). The other really saddening part is there is some kind of discrimination going on now with Arab american . Apparently if you are Arab there is now something wrong with , it makes you somehow less american . Its a shame!!!!!!!!!!!
CNN: Your headlines regarding this entire process have been so biased towards Barack Obama. Can you make it any more obvious that your network supports him? As someone previously stated, if Obama had beaten Hillary with the uncommitted votes, your headline would have a positive message. Every single time your report something regarding Clinton, you put a negative spin on your headline. When Obama and his supporters purposely miscontrued Clinton's comments on MLK and LBJ, she was left to defend herself. She had to do YOUR job by exposing his campaign for deliberately changing her message! DO YOUR JOB HONESTLY AND FAIRLY!!!!!! Also, your headline for this read, "Clinton Complains about Attack from Obama". Not just the absolute truth that Obama Attacks Clinton, but that the woman is complaining about it. In all seriousness, it is amazing how quickly you are losing viewer's respect, including mine!
Pat B and Chris M are a joke. I expected Pat to push his Hillary agenda to try and help his party, but Chris, I lost a lot of respect for him trying to force feed us a result that was clearly a farce. I guess these talk show hosts really think Americans are stupid. At least one of the analysts kind of stood up for the integrity of their profession. Obama clearly won the debate last night. And Hillary’s ability to polarize and divide is as crystal clear as ever. She has not only divided the Republicans from the Democrats, the Democrats from the Democrats, but now she is trying to divide black people from white people. How can she make us one as a country, when she can’t even unite a party…the answer is, she can’t.
And I am really getting tried of this whole experience issue, if she has so much experience, then she should release her record. She has already shown that her and Bill have extremely bad judgment…yes, Bill, if you think he didn’t tell her how to vote then you are kidding yourself. Gore, and the people Bill had around him was the brains behind the Clinton presidency. Oh and if you didn’t know, all of Bill’s people now work for Obama. Why would this be? Why wouldn’t they have stayed with Bill and work with his wife? The answer…they aren’t stupid people.
Truth is, the real roll of the dice would be to try and put Hillary in office, one she has a lot of secrets, that’s why she won’t release her record, two she put her name on the ballet in Michigan, and the uncommitted got 40 percent of the vote. Wow! 40 percent! Three, she is trying to claim someone else’s experience as her own. And for those of you who have not yet figured out who started all of our jobs going oversea, new flash…it was Bill! Sure for the short term, he did some good things for the economy, but long term that decision is destroying our economy, with the help of Bush. But the cold hard facts is that it was in bad judgment that the agreements were made, and the Clinton’s have a consistent history of making bad decisions for our country; they are just banking on the fact that most American’s are to dumb to figure this out. I hope they are wrong.
The other issue they try to make is that we don’t know Obama…but he is an open book, literally. What else is there to know? If there was something to find they would have buried him with it a long time ago, there is nothing there, that’s why we keep getting bombarded with this he say she say crap.
Is this what we want people? A duo that continues to make bad decision…they don’t pay for it, we do.
And another thing, Edwards is ok, but how can he claim to fight for us Americans without bring people to the table…does he plan to take them around the back of the white house and beat them into submission? Give me a break already.
People, it’s time we did the right thing for our country. Obama 08
What Hillary said about MLK and LBJ is correct. It does take an LBJ to make an MLK dream come true. Last time I heard Mr. Obama speaks he sounded like MLK. He has a dream , keep on dreaming.
Why is this story printed not once but TWICE on the "ticker" here?
Is this so important that it has to be on for January 15th, and then here it is again in exactly the same words on January 16th?
And "Bob", who says that he has "no doubt" that half the people on here are plants for the Clinton campaign- Bob, you are a moron. That's the kind of reflexive conspiracy thinking that motivates many of the anti-Hillary people. You're all morons. I'm probably voting for Obama, but will definitely vote for Hillary if she's the nominee....and this kind of "reporting" disgusts me.....and the fact that this speculative story is posted TWICE ON THE SAME PAGE is baffling.
CNN, your credibility is going down the tubes.
Get a life, people! Didn't you learn that the story isn't "told" until people cast their votes!!!!!
Look folks...we had enough of Bill and Hillary already, 8 years. Do you want 12 more years? Also, why is Bill campaigning as if he is running again and not his wife? Can't Hillary do her own bidding for the presidency of United States? NO MORE HILLARY OR CLINTON FOR 2008. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
She still had over 60% of the votes...
Media bias against Hillary Clinton????? Are you serious???? For the past year the media has been telling us that Hillary Clinton will be the next president. As a whole, this nation is both shocked and disturbed that Obama has a real chance to win this thing at all. Now, that Obama is closing in on her lead and political aspirations, she cries seemingly on cue to win in New Hampshire, and continues to tred on the footsteps of her husband to get into the White House.
I guess Hill's appearance on the Tyra show didn't help her like she planned. Ladies, please get it straight. Voting for Hill because she is a woman is just as sexist as not voting for her because she's a woman.
The political analysts and pollsters are so concerned with the racial breakdown of votes they are ignoring the more important general trends. Both Iowa and New Hampshire had record voter turnouts. Democratic turnout has been large due to Democrats and Independents voting for Democratic candidates. In MichiganThe total number of primary voters voting for a Democrat, Hillary Clinton, was much lower than the Republican candidates (590,000 vs 870,000) in a state where over 7,000,000 people can vote. Had all the main democratic candidates taken part in the primary, another 500,000 voters could have potentially come to support Obama and Edwards. Obama could have carried 50% of the 500,000 in which the results would have been Obama 46% and Hillary 40% with Edwards at 14%.
The obama supporters can spin and twist facts whatever they want, to say that 45% uncommitted is not for obama and other candidates.
A michigan voter who went to vote had either to vote hillary; if not, he/she voted uncommitted and these uncommitted votes are for obama, edwards, biden, richardson, kucinich, dodd or gravel, whether their names are for hillary or not.
IN MICHIAGAN, HILLARY WON, AND OBAMA LOST, no matter how you obama supporters spin it.
Denial is bad for your mental health.
Stop complaining CNN doesn't post your blog. I erroneously did and they were kind enough to actually e-mail me and let me know the only issue is they have THOUSANDS of posts to go through. Sometimes your blogs just aren't going to make it. The blogs on this site can be hateful, can you imagine the stuff they can't post. You people are scary.....If you really need to express your hate for one candidate or another, send a letter to the campaign.
I'm sure that was a knee-jerk reaction to the past week. Most of those voters more than likely not aware of the Democratic Debate opening statement by both candidates, whereas they both stated that they did not like the events of the past week, and that alot of the tone was perpetuated by overzealous staff and supporters. We shall see how it plays out. This election should not be determined by emotion, it should be an educated and well-informed decision based on who will be the best leader of the free world. After seeing what the decision the voters made the past two presidential elections, I would hope the voters do their homework before casting their votes.
Another attempt to try to destabilize Hillary Clinton and create a story where none exists. Why not write what really happened? Edwards and Obama encouraged their supporters to write uncommitted because they didn't get on the ballot and in case the Michigan delegates were later admitted, they (Edwards and Obama) would get a say in candidate selection. Now, it is true that Obama has support among African Americans? Absolutely. So does Hillary. Will that give Obama an advantage. Maybe yes, maybe no. The Clintons have long established ties to the African American community too. Let's see what the voters decide.