Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'
[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/15/art.clintonmichigan.ap.jpg caption=" Clinton won less than a quarter of support from black voters."](CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan Tuesday night, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.
The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.
Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan’s African-American voters - a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan’s Democratic electorate - did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the “uncommitted” option instead. Yet these voters weren’t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.
Had Obama’s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina’s large African-American community votes as Michigan’s, Hillary may not be feeling much ‘southern hospitality’ in that state.
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Some of these comments are beyond wacky-crazy.
Seriously, ANY person who wants to be President is slimy, greedy, and not to be trusted. As voters, the choice is to decide who is BEST to serve in the position. But to think that any of the candidates are principled, virtuous, good people is total delusion.
The two most pressing issues that the next President can actually affect are:
1) The sad state of the economy.
2) The seemingly never-ending war in Iraq, which has no defined end-goals.
THE REAL NUMBERS do the math ! January 16, 2008 12:00 pm ET
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Total votes for Democratic party is 592,798
Clinton 328, 151
Uncommitted 236, 728
Kunich 21,708
Dodd 3,853
Gravel 2,363
TOTAL 592,798
According to exit polls Obama got 73 percent of the African American uncommitted votes, that would total 172,811.44 votes for Obama
Edwards would then receive the remaining 63,916.56
Ttherefore the real percentage of the vote is THE FOLLOWING:
Clinton 328,151.00 —— 55.0%
Obama 172,811.44 —— 29.1%
Edwards 63,916.56 —— 10.7%
Kunich 21,708 ———- 4%
Dodd 3853 ————1%
Gravel 2363 ———– 0%
Not only is Hillary a winner, she beats Obama by 26%.
Find a positive spin in a negative number, fewer than 30% total for Obama, right?
This reporter thinks he's helping Obama.
But putting race card back into the front he's damaging Obama more.
This is something Obama camp trying to hide as it destroys their appeal to the whites.
I niether like Hillary or Obama, but this could spell trouble for her in the south, and with young white kids voting for Obama for some plastic reason, I think Obama may pull this out. 2000 election all over again it will be close, whoever wins let's get somebody that will actually help America not hurt it.
You guy are morons. I met Hillary face to face in '96 and she is an absolute phony. If you can't look me in the eye and say hello, you are not the strongest woman in the world.
It would be nice to believe that the Clintons' deliberate infusion of race and gender politics into this campaign will backfire. Every time Obama would make a conciliatory remark over the last week, the Clintons would fire back with venom.
My belief instead is that this was a deliberate attempt to create discomfort among southern white voters about Obama. The Clintons' Arkansas roots are showing.
Until I see that this strategy has not worked among this demographic - all I can do is marvel at what the Clintons are willing to do when faced with possible defeat. I believe they would rip the party apart rather than concede.
As an African American woman every time I turn on the tv it makes me sick. Its like people don't think Obama can do no wrong. Every time I see something on Obama its always starts so charsmatic and or some other nonsense. Just like in Iowa oh they were all the glory Obama won what an amazing feat, then When Hilary whens (the first woman to every when primary) they deminish it oh she narrowly won. Eveny in victory cnn likes to cut her down, true michigan does have much effect but is it neccasary to dig at her? Your polls showed clinton was to win Iowa your polls showed Obama was suppose to win New Hamsphire we your polls don't mean much. I have nothing against Obama but layoff the Hillary cant do anything right crap in your articles it just shows how bias you are and that you are not proffessional. I watched the debate on msnbc and thought Obama and Clinton did well. Hopefully whoever wins the party nomination will work with the other. Cnn just needs to stop the crap journalism.
CLINTON AND OBAMA HAVE PUBLICLY AGREED NOT TO PUSH ANY LONGER THE DISCUSSION ABOUT RACE OR GENDER. THEY DID IT OFFICIALLY DURING THE DEBATE LAST NIGHT. THEY WERE BOTH VERY CLEAR ABOUT THEIR POSITIONS ON CIVIL RIGHTS.
BUT YET... CNN.. HASN'T MADE ENOUGH DEMAGE... THEY HAVEN'T GAINED ENOUGH... SO WHAT WILL... CNN.. DO NEXT????
CHECK IT OUT ON WHATS COMING ON CNN RIGHT AFTER THE NEXT DEBATE ON MONDAY THE 21ST.
CNN, I USED TO BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE THE MOST TRUSTED NAME IN NEWS... BUT I JUST REALIZED YOU ARE NOT... I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT STILL WORK FOR THIS NETWORK...
AT LEAST YOU ( CNN) HAVE MADE CLEAR THAT NO ONE BUT YOURSELF HAVE SHAMED YOUR NAME!!!!!!
Diana Bock,
I've noticed that too, Obama totally disregard the position of Senator Clinton, to me, he was disrespectful of her position, it was belittling her. Maybe because she's a woman, as far as he's concern, her opinion of issues doesn't matter.
Senator Clinton showed a LOT of class, in spite of the fact Obama addressed her as "Hillary".
Has anyone really looked at the Clintons, check out Justice for Janie on yahoo groups, draw your own conclusions. "IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD" it also takes that same village to not only cover a childs murder, but to help keep it going for 18 yrs. PLEASE READ JUSTICE FOR JANIE BEFOR YOU EVEN THINK OF VOTING FOR CLINTON.
Hillary deserves to win. Congratulations! Voters should examine the background of Mr. Obama before voting for him.
What Hillary and her goons can't get through their thick heads is that voters would elect a woman as president if that woman were seen as the best choice for president, given all the issues we face as a country.
We we don't want is the artful dodger Hillary and her degenerate husband back in the White House.
The untold and baffling news about all this: Why are only 28 states in the Democratic primary?
Hillary and Bill are a voice of one! They cannot be separated and should be considered the virtual incumbents.
Ready on day 1??
Not sure what this means as our contingency plans, processes and procedures keep America ready 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Do you actually think the CinC sits in the command bunker and directs the battle??
Gordon Brown tested in his first year??
Gordon Brown had been a member of British government since the Labor party won the majority in 1997! Yes he took over PM in 2007 but he was and had been involved in a COBRA meetings and planning while he was Chancellor. What made and makes the British better at challenges like the one Hillary referenced is their emphasis on individual initiative and execution at very low levels no matter who is the PM!
To attempt to use fear is exactly what Barack pointed out that lead to our clouded thinking and as such our move into Iraq when the task was not completed in Afghanistan.
Hillary is very good and I give her credit for always having the right answer. It's a bit like computer logic: as long as she knows the scenario; has programmed for it, she has an answer. That might not work in the asymmetric war and challenges we face because as with 911 we may not anticipate method, mode or technique to be used.
Yes it is all about mitigated risk, I know!
The Democrats need to get a grip regarding Iraq. We made the mess and we must clean it up as it is in our interest>/b>. Stop telling the people what you think the left wants to hear! Of course we will draw down our forces simply because we cannot sustain the current effort level due to the size of our military for a sustained period.
John McCain is right - this might take 100 years resolve and if it does we must display the strength to resolve it as the problem will not go away!
Wake up we are global players!
Barack Obama has a wonderful presence and seems to truly believe in the change that he espouses but he has limited experience. Hillary Clinton is a strong candidate who understands how the machine works but she sometimes seems to be part of the "broken" machine. Much as Barack Obama, John Edwards seems to have a strong vision and I'm impressed that he's careful of the financial support he accepts but I wonder if he's strong enough to win in November.
For the first time in a long time, I feel that I could support any of the top three candidates. It troubles me to see so many of you folks doing the Republicans' work for them. Support the person you believe will best represent your beliefs but don't bash the other candidates. It just gives ammunition to the opposition later.
No matter who the Democratic candidate, they will be better than what we currently have.
Well isnt this an exit poll that CNN made?? Wowwww.. we should believe what they say people... just because the CNN pollster and others polls as well made a complete fool of themselves when they all think and declared Hillary will lose New Hampshire...HAH! CNN probably screened the pro-Hillary's black voters and stamped them as unimportant voice... Obama supporter's voice is the one that should be heard... *shrugs*
And just to give a piece of my mind, Hillary didnt pull out her name on the ballot because I think she believes that Michigan people voice should be heard. She cares what they have to say, unlike Obama and Edwards who do it probably just to please the Democratic party... And if i read it right, Obama's name is still on Florida ballot, even today!!!... and yet you proObama ppl says he's some kind of the 2nd coming of Christ for pulling out his name of MI ballot.. Why dont u tell him to pull out of Florida ballot as well!! I really think doin that is a disservice to the people of Michigan, and the US as a whole. To me, it is just the same as saying, Michigan ppl are unimportant.. Ooo one more thing, if its sooooo not important at all for him to get votes in an unimportant election (thats what all newspaper said about MI primary), why even bother to tell ppl to vote "uncommitted"??? Maybe its not Obama or Edwards personally tellin them to vote uncommited, but their campaign had something to do with it, with or without Obama's/Edward's knowledge.
And whoever thinks if Obama's name is on the ballot he will win, move on... the votes are in and Hillary have 55% of the votes... stop it with the theory of ppl staying home.. if u care so much to not let Hillary win, u should have voted for uncommmited... But 37% of the ppl did say uncommited and thats that... Besides pro-Clinton people have the same reason to stay home as much as those "uncommited"!! and if the Dems party change their ruling and decide to send delegates, I think Hillary should get the 55% of the delegates no matter what. the rest can just choose their candidates, either Obama or Edwards I dont really care.
Clinton 2008!!!!!
Though Obama has assured during last night's debate that he would never approve his campaign staff use a race card, he already knew that the damage was done and african-americans are going to vote overwhelmingly for him. CNN on top of it giving Obama an added publicity so that he could be the democrat nominee. Its very sad that having so much talent and smartness, Hillary is having such an uphill battle to fight for every vote. The race factor will wipe out majority of the african-american votes and the negative publicity on Clintons will divert all the independent votes by the whites. Listening yesterdays debate it was clear that inspite of the all the qualifications and the clear grasp of various issues with Hillary, people are attracted towards Obama for his style and oratory skills.
Obama hasn't brought up race. Hillary made an error in talking about MLK Jr. and LBJ, and then made it seem like she was under attack, but it wasn't Obama pointing out her mistake.
Since CNN doesn't post any comment that shows they are biased toward Obama, and they are afraid of any simple math calculation that shows actually their title to this article is misleading.. I'll say only:
Hillary'08!
No matter what Hillary does or does not do or what she says or doesn't say the media is going to spin it in a negative fashion. I watch last nights debate and was shocked on the comments by Chris on MSNBC afterwards. I was for John Edwards but all the press on Hillary has made me pay attention to her. I can make decisions for myself and actually process what is said in a debate. The "what did she mean by that?" The "so do you think she was telling the truth?" All of these things are just stupid. Does anyone of the "experts" know if someone is telling the truth or why someone does anything or what their motivation is? I now have listened more carefully and given her a chance. I'll diffinitely vote for her. She has my vote and I think she can do the job. If she can stand up to all this media lies and hype then she can handle herself in the Presidency as good as Obama or Edwards.
I want to know why the media has not jumped all over the fact that when Obama and Oprah were on stage together…He repeatedly stated what he was going to do “for his people…his people have been held back for many years…my people have never been heard” If a white person had said that then all hell would break loose…why is the media afraid to confront that
Well, you can't argue with numbers now can you? Well, maybe except for New Hampshire. What a great 'uncommitted' number! And it all happened in a matter of a week or two. Wow. It looks as if black people are not going for the 'first black president' okey doke any more, and the 'I've done so much for those black people' stuff as Edwards is even now saying he has done more for black people than anyone. What are black people, monkeys? Why do we have to have a white person 'doing something' for us? Is it because we still allow ourselves to be called 'minorities'? We're all not still mentally shackled like the black leaders who continue to knock and sock Obama for no apparent reason. We can do for ourselves last I checked. And it showed at the ballot last night in Michigan. And this is no different than the mormons who turn out and turned out in droves to support Romney, no different than the Italians who turn out in droves to support Guiliani, no different that the Jews who turned out in droves to support Lieberman, no different than the Evangelical Christians who turned out to support Bush, who turn out to support Huckabee. No, there is no difference because you know why? Because there is nothing wrong with people supporting their own 'tribe' if you will. It's inherent. Therein lies a certain pride, or a certain prejudice, but that is the mark of this life. Black people supporting Obama is not a racial thing and folks need to get off that. Go scrutinize and call racist the mormons and the white people supporting Romney. What was the percentage of white voters? Percentage that. Go scrutinize the percentage of evangelical christians. What percentage was that? Go scrutinize the percentage of Italians backing Rudy Guiliani. What percentage is that? Go scrutinize and percentage-ize the 'Republican Conservatists" backing McCain. Go scrutinize and percentage the women backing Hillary Clinton. And so you have. That's racist. Why aren't these stories on 'genderism' on Hillary then? So in other words, don't get up in the black people's faces towards Obama and scream 'racism'. He's a person just like all the others. The difference is he is black. So. Another is white, but the scrutiny, the judgments, the stories all should be the same, they all should be canvassed equally because they are all equal. And any difference in this assessment by the media or anyone else just says it is their own bigotry playing out and has nothing to do with that tribal support for that candidate. Go black people! Go black people for Obama! Obama '08!!
Hillary Clinton would continue the AGONIZING DEATH of our current political system. The majority of US Citizens know this, unfortunately too many have blinders on as to how this would cripple our nation for another 4-5 years. Our youth is sick of seeing this and they are inheriting this gross political fallout.
You want the War in Iraq to end? Bring the troops home? Fine, that can be done.
But, we also need to:
END the War between Democrats and Republicans. You all are fully aware that Bush is on the far Right and Clinton is on the far Left. Let's get them OUT of the way for once and MOVE FORWARD as a United Nation once again! We are behaving just like the Iraqi's who can't put a united gov't together. Neither can we!
Hillary would NEVER be able to reach across the aisle. You KNOW that!
Our country cannot afford that right now. And stop the rhetoric that she's the only one who can lead on day one! What a JOKE! You believe that because she told you?. If you're a person with a brain, you'd know better than to believe her just because she or her lying husband SAID "it" (Bill doesn't even know what "it" means, remember?!
This isn't about REVENGE, Hillary supporters. BUSH will be gone, done, nadda.
The Hatefest can then end!! This isn't about a WOMAN either, as you know you wouldn't have supported Condy Rice if she were running. This isn't about Clinton being a MINORITIES candidate either, duh, you still wouldn't vote for Condy and she's not even 1/2 white! This is about getting your HEAD out of the sand, waking up, smelling the coffee, getting a CLUE about the true Chillary!
This is about you Hillary supporters being too bull-headed to SEE the truth: Hillary divides, she polarizes, she lies, she blames, she hides documents and records, she pouts, she yells, she calls for Bill to shame you into submission. She is NOT deserving of the White House just because she's smart and Bill's wife!
Hillary is NO leader, folks, tell me one thing she's lead and been successful at.
For once, use your heads and support someone who excites people from BOTH parties (plus Indies), all races and all ages.
It's also crucial for CNN, FOXNews, NBC, CBS and ABC to STOP their meddling and it's time for America to read between the lines of ALL the reporters' slanted views, whether they be to the Left OR to the Right.
I call for a truce among all Reporters, print, TV, on-line, etc. Revisit your pledge to be neutral in your reporting and therefore report the truth, be unbiased and;
LET THE CITIZENS, NOT THE MEDIA DECIDE WHO WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT! As individuals, you reporters can get in line and vote like the rest of us do. As a whole, you are pathetic in your lack of professionalism and duty to your country and your career.
African Americans are 17% of Michigans population. 75% of 17% is less than 13% of the vote. What about all the other voters and Democratic turnout in general?