Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'
[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/15/art.clintonmichigan.ap.jpg caption=" Clinton won less than a quarter of support from black voters."](CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan Tuesday night, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.
The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.
Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan’s African-American voters - a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan’s Democratic electorate - did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the “uncommitted” option instead. Yet these voters weren’t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.
Had Obama’s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina’s large African-American community votes as Michigan’s, Hillary may not be feeling much ‘southern hospitality’ in that state.
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- CNN Political Producer Alan Isenberg
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I am voting for Barack Obama. If not him, then John Edwards. It really has nothing to do with race. I just like what I'm hearing from these men.
I would never vote for Hillary Clinton. Again, it has nothing to do with race. I don't like her. For a miriad of reasons. As an American I get my 1 vote to put where I please, for whatever reason I choose.
I suspect many feel as I do. They make their choice on so many other things than something as simple as race. Some would never vote for Senator Obama...for reasons other than race. They have that right. I applaud their effort to be part of the solution ( however misguided :-).
Get off the race kick...it's stupid.
Cnn can't stop playing the race card..It's up to candidates to stay above the fray. What a great and civil debate last nite..Score one for the Dems..I thank that most of the hate on this blog is coming from Republicans.. Dems should simply stop responding to these devisive question...This is my last time..GO DEMS!!!
we all know this is a country of people from all walks of life. Unfortunately some are favoured than others. I mean British people are favoured than anybody else. Why is Hillary not focusing on issues and the media is helping her with the race card!
YesWeCan January 16, 2008 7:02 am ET
The Baby Boomers and they will suffer politically for pushing this crap and being hypocrites. They claim they fought to put and end to all of this crap, but it's their generation that is the one who keeps pushing it. From Media to Candidates to Surrogates, it's Baby Boomers who are being total hypocrites.
Ummm.....I am an African American/Hispanic Baby Boomer. I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton under ANY circumstances.....and I support Barack Obama. NO..it's NOT because she is a woman...and NO...it's NOT because he is black. I will not vote for Hillary becuase I remember Bill Clinton's administration and I remember the bickering, finger-pointing, name-calling, backstabbing and scandal that went on when the Clintons were in office (and I think Bill was one of the best presidents we've ever had!). I do NOT equate Hillary's stint as first lady as first had presidential experience. I consider her claim to such "experience" a whole lot of "KOOL AID" for the ignorant. I do NOT want to relive the nonsense the Clinton's will bring with them. Hillary is an EXTREMELY divisive person. Republicans will NOT vote for her...and most Democrats won't vote for her either, leaving a crack in the armor for a Repub candidate to win the presidency again. THIS COUNTRY CAN'T AFFORD THAT.....AND HILLARY SUPPORTERS WOULD RATHER STICK THIER HEAD IN THE SAND THAN ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT!!
YESWECAN, I'm insulted by your allegation that this race thing was started by Baby Boomers. HILLARY CLINTON AND THE PRESS STARTED THIS. As a matter of fact, the press has done more the fan the flames of racism in this latest dust-up than anyone else. There was no overtly racist remarks made by either side!!! But when the press screamed race, Hillary's staff jumped on it.....this is why I will not vote for her. I am disgusted by the campaign she is running.
And for all you Hillary supporters that want to attack me now, that's ok....I have not said anything derogatory about Hillary. I've stated my opinion and I'm sure you will all try to twist it into something it's not....typical of most Hillary supporters.
Amazing how the Media can turn anything and everything into an Anti-Hillary story!
I am sick and tired of these people saying Blacks choose Obama of Hillary- It isn't true!!!! Women don't care about the color of the man! Men in politics all stink! I;m sick of them controlling us! We women need to stand up against all men and especially the News Media who say the GET us when they don't know nothin!!!!!! The real black Women (Not Oprah) but us real women want to get out from under the cloud of men in charge! We like Hillary! We need her! She's got a Woman's soul and she knows how we hurt! How the men hurt us!!
Vote for a Woman! Vote for Hillary!!!!!!
I been reading CNN news for more than 5 yeras now and i never saw thme taking a side till tis primaries. Every single artlicle about Hillary is negative is like hearing those rightist shows like Glenn Beck etc. They make news out of nothing. Like the other day i heard Gleen Beck saying; "which democrat candidate is going to get us out of this mess?" referring the economical problems tha U.S. is facing right now I think he should ask himself who got us in this mess in the first place and does he think we shouls vote for the same people(republicans). I agree with the person that wrote saying why they dont mention that she won with a margin of 15 points. No they have to focus on how the black vote switch to Obama. Are you kidding me. Is that surprise to any one?
I am thinking that the new Fox is CNN and it sickens me. Whoever the Denocratic nominee is I will support. With what we have had in office the past 7 years, ANY DEMOCRAT beats the REPUB. PARTY. NO MEDIA is going to persuade me how to vote! NO MEDIA can divide us!
Soooo...can anyone actually tell me why they perfer Clinton over Obama or vise versa. I'm just curious. I know why I'm voting, but does anyone else, or is everyone too busy trying to validate their canidate. Just curious.
Our country needs Obama. His lack of experience, often criticized c
by the Clinton campaign, would suit our countries needs. Rather than rejecting the advise from the smartest minds of the nation, Obama won't be pompous enough to assume that his ideas are the best. Clinton, on the otherhand, will inevitably turn our once great nation into an aristocracy, being that she will only follow her ideas and dreams.
YES We Can.....
When a person has nothing to say or prove they give the information another person has "researched" without bias of course. It looks like all Americans want to do is fight each other rather than HELP each other.
The real truth in this nation's Politics is that no one person can change the world. WE all need someone who will support our efforts and progress. Living in a capitalist society, I would think that all of you above the age of running a lemonade stand would know that. You people SUCK! All of you! Including the ones who are pro-this and anti-that. Stop thinking of a comeback and read on!
What will you give of yourself so that people will support YOUR cause? What do you stand for? Or do you think that you can continue to take free speech for granted by spewing grandiose words for People you know nothing about? What a joke the American Humanity has become....oh yeah! So proud, so foolish so full of yourselves.
I wish someone would take it upon themselves to have the desire to take care of my country! And then out of a position of humility ask you to support them. It does not matter who drives the carriage as long as the people are powering it and empowering it!
If we were discovering America again, for the fifth time, the Pilgrims would still be restless, the Spaniards would still terrorize and the natives would still be disenfranchised.
Hate no one but yourselves for this nation's failures.
of course not...just stupid.
Not that I'm a Hillary fan and certainly not an Obama supporter but.........I've watched with interest about how the whole race issue has been dumped in Hillary's court and I have a question: isn't this guy half caucasian as well? Wouldn't that indicate he's pushing the whole race angle much harder than Hillary? I mean has anyone , much less Obama, represented themselves as "caucasian" to date?
I seriously wouldn't vote for either of them if you paid me large sums of money but the bottom line is that the majority of the black community will vote for Obama simply because he represents himself as "African American".
Qualifications seem totally secondary to that. Is he the "best" (Democratic) candidate for the job? Maybe but most probably not. Since he says he's black, even if only half black, that's more than enough to secure the backing of the black majority throughout this country. Count on it. Watch it happen.
I suppose the same could be said for the female vote and the Hillary connection but I honestly believe, given the way they've both handled themselves thus far, they'll easily get a Republican elected. They both want to change something but I've yet to hear what it is or how that would be accomplished.......American politics has gotten sad.
Obama didnt even have the common courtesy to show up in Michigan, not sure why Michigan blacks would feel any loyalty towards him.
Hillary did a bang-up job in LV last night. I sure hope she gets the nomination. Obama is insensitive to other cultures, in fact he doesn't even know of their issues. He isn't aware that Native American's take offense to the word "Redskins" and the dictionary meaning of the word is – Offensive – an offensive term for a Native North Americans. He uses the word to cheer his favorite team the Washington Redskins. I'm native and, I don't care what, or who his favorite team is, but I do take exception to his using of the race card when he is openly and or ignorantly offensive to my race – he is, to me the pot calling the kettle black. Having brought that to light, I think he needs to educate himself more on other races besides black and white, America is a diverse nation and I think a President should be aware of this.
p/s I don't liken him to Marion Barry because of his past drug usage, I just don't like his race baiting.
What is so sad is that all "my brothers and sisters" have forgotten that just because someone is black doesn't mean that they are they best for the African-American community. Remember Clarence Thomas?????????
Hillary 08! Obama 2016!
As a African American and a registered michigan voter, i must say the racial tension between the Dems is very depressing. I believe it is careless on both of there parts. The Obama campaign should respect blacks enough to not try and play the race card win it comes to the Clinton's. When I was growing up there were 3 pictures in our dining room. One of Jesus Christ, the other of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and last of Bill Clinton. However Hillary and her husband should better choose there words. Even if you are seen as the greatest president ever among blacks calling a very power Senator a fairy tale was the only 'roll of the dice' i've seen this election season.** As a voter who wants to see both of them on the ticket in November** i really hope things were cleared up in that debate in Nevada. I did choose to vote for Hillary because she cad enough respect for the Democratic voters here to pull her name off the ticket even though that loser Howard Dean didn't want them campaigning here. we should not be held responsible and our voices still should be heard even though those Republicans in Lansing decided to move up the primary.
**/** By the way a ticket with Clinton and Obama no matter the order assures Dems walk into the White House. Don't believe me, ask any Rebuplican you can find.
If you guys think CNN is anti Clinton, think Again. Michigan was striped democratic voting right because they violated the voting day by moving the voting day. Obama decided not to support them by removing his name so as John Edwards. Hillary as always expected, decided to leave her name on the ballot (because you know she is better than them all). Now that they want to blind you not to think she doesn't obey the democrat rules, CNN is rewriting what is not and helping her you think what you are thinking right now is about black vote and white vote.
They agreed not to run the campaign last night based on race or gender, but guess what, the media and the sarrogates who are supporting her are doing it for her, so as this article. Wisen up people!
I would like to know why not one candidate is willing to discuss eliminating the
salary cap completely on which working Americans pay Social Security taxes. It
seems to me, it would dramatically add money to the SS fund thus making it solvent
for a much longer time. It also seems to me that SS is now in the shadows as
essentially a non-issue. Unfortunately it becomes an issue when it's almost too
late. I do not understand the reason for having a salary cap to begin with. Would
you please respond.
73% of how many Black voters? Percentages without the numbers they're based upon is meaningless and can be spun in any way. By reporting results by race, CNN is essentially swaying other voters' opinions in a covert manner. Blacks and Whites may see this as a rally to support their own race. Of course, Whites outnumber Blacks dramatically by population so it's easy to see who will benefit from such reporting most.
Tracie,
So you think we ought to have to wait another 232 years to find a woman that you like, to run? No, thank you I have waited 45 years already. No one is perfect, but Ms. Clinton is qualified, and it is about time women stood up for the issues that affect women in this country. Yea, I want her as Madame President. I want it bad. So that I can look my daughter in the face, and tell her that she has a much chance to become presdient as the little boy down the street.
CNN and the rest of the media obviously support Obama not because they will vote for him but because if he wins the Republicans will take the White House again.
Hillary is obviously a bigger threat to them than Obama.
Some Obama supporters said he did not comment on what Hillary said, well just because it was not televised or reported on CNN (which is loosing credibility) does not mean he did not say anything. She made a good point which is obvious to me that you need someone in the White House to listen and act on your dream to make it happen. Nothing racist about that.
About the 40% "Undecided" vote; remember that it would have to be split into 3 sides – Obama, Edwards and voters who may still really be undecided.
If everyone would do their duty and research the history of all the candidates, Hillary would not get 1 vote.
Yes we can.....What are you talking about? Your rambling on sounds a lot like your candidate of choice, Obama. So, stop talking "crap" yourself and listen to what each candidate is attempting to convey to you and grasp the fundemental understanding that Hillary Clinton is the best candidate PERIOD.
I don't know why I continue to read the various political blogs; they just make me angry.
Who truly knows what would have happened in Michigan had Obama and Edwards been on the ballot. We don't know how many simply didn't vote, we don't know how many voted for another democratic candidate, or how many voted for a republican candidate. CNN showed a website where there was a push to get democrats to vote for Romney in order to keep the republican process up in the air to force them to spend more money.
We can read into the numbers whatever we want but we shouldn't read too much into them. One thing we do know is that this race is wide open on both sides, which means that later states will have a say in the nomination process. That is a good thing.
African-Americans / Black Folks or whatever we want to call ourselves.
Let me first start by saying that I have a lot of respect for Obama and I think that it is wonderful that he is running for the highest office in politics. However, I cannot support him because I am supporting Hillary Clinton. Now before you say something like I am sell out or I don’t support African American causes, this is farther from the truth. I am pro African American but I am also a supporter of people who have given me support. I am for Hillary Clinton because Bill and Hillary have been good to African Americans. When Mr. Clinton was president everyone prospered. Caucasians, African-Americans, Asians, Hispanics, rich, poor, young, old, educated, uneducated, Democrats and Republicans.
Think back to the time President Clinton was in office and how good it was in America. Forget about the infidelities and lying under oath because President Bush has done much more than that. President Bush lied to us and we went to war. Hundreds of thousands have been killed and I am not just talking about our soldiers because everyone that died regardless is a child of God. Whether they want to believe that or not. President Bush lies cost lives. I want Republicans do get over that especially the ones that have been married two, three, four, five, etc.. times! Especially the ones who wanted their wife to move out of the Governor’s mansion so he can move his girlfriend in. Let’s not talk about Christian values because the ones who normally do are the ones who are doing things in the closet. No one party has the God franchise. So let’s not talk Christian values.
Senator Hillary Clinton tried to get health coverage for everyone when President Clinton was in office but noooooooo the Republicans, insurance companies as well the rich and powerful convinced the people in the United States not to accept health coverage. Now we have a crisis. How did they do it? How did they convince the people to reject something that they desperately needed? Everytime someone talks about her failed healthcare program I get mad. It failed because of the rich and powerful.
The Republicans are pushing for Senator Obama to be the Democratic nominee. Not because they believe in his cause because Obama beliefs are totally opposite of their belief. It’s because they hate the Clintons so much. I listen to Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh just out and out lie. The bad part about this is people believe them. In the movie V for Vendetta a woman ask the question why do they hate us so? She was referring to gays. However, I can say that about the Republicans. Why do they hate the Clintons so? Is it because President Clinton apologized for slavery? Is it because he apologized for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment? Remember when President Clinton apologized? Remember how outraged white people were? Remember what President Clinton said?
"The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens... clearly racist."
—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997.
"European Americans received the fruits of the slave trade. And we were wrong in that."
"But I think it is worth pointing out that the United States has not always done the right thing by Africa."
—President Clinton's apologies for slavery in 1998.
How soon black folk forget.
Michael Baisden has said something on his radio show that I feel is totally irresponsible against President and Senator Clinton. He said that he does not want to hear from Bill Clinton anymore and since Senator Clinton is running for president. He does not want to hear from President Clinton? My response was why not? WHY NOT! So many African Americans are listening to his show and he must be more responsible with what he says.
President Clinton and his wife Senator Clinton were a team in the Whitehouse. They were clearly working together. I was mad when I heard Michael Baisden say that they don’t want to hear from President Clinton. We as a people have to come together for the greater good of the masses. Not just throw things out in the airwaves…misleading people.
I just wanted to point out some things these things because they are so important.
I don't expect a lot from the younger African Americans because they were not around to know how really bad things were for their great grandparents. If each one would take the time to really study the civil rights movement they will understand that there were good white folks fighting for civil rights.....like the Clintons and we should not turn our backs them.