January 16th, 2008
10:51 AM ET
12 years ago

Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan 'win'

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/15/art.clintonmichigan.ap.jpg caption=" Clinton won less than a quarter of support from black voters."](CNN) - Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan Tuesday night, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.

The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.

Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan’s African-American voters - a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan’s Democratic electorate - did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the “uncommitted” option instead. Yet these voters weren’t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.

Had Obama’s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina’s large African-American community votes as Michigan’s, Hillary may not be feeling much ‘southern hospitality’ in that state.

Related: Blacks, youngest voters choose 'uncommitted' over Clinton

- CNN Political Producer Alan Isenberg

Filed under: Hillary Clinton
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  1. Jessica, El Paso, TX

    It is a sad day when Fox News, Pat Buchanan, and Bill O'Rielly come off as the voices of reason in this election. They, by far, compared to others, have been more objective and fair in covering the Democrats. Oh and Dan Abrams too.

    January 16, 2008 02:36 pm at 2:36 pm |
  2. marie

    Regarding education – what exactly are they teaching in journalism these days?

    And why do some of the media like to bring on their "political advisors" who happen to be people who authored books with negative slants on her to comment on some aspect of Hillary's campaign?

    One quality necessary to be president I believe is to have the courage and strength to "keep on – keeping on" in the middle of difficult times and she has certainly proven herself over and over in this regard.

    Was really good to see both her and Obama take the high road – let's not keep trying to get them to detour.

    January 16, 2008 02:37 pm at 2:37 pm |
  3. Jessica Naomi

    The question not answered ,actually ignored, was how many African-American women voted for Clinton, how many for Obama. Women will make the difference in this election, though the men in suits at CNN and other news-spinners will never want that information to go out too soon. They hope that Obama wins, because there is no way he can win the national election. Once the Republicans pull out their sneaky, underhanded, mean-spirited lies, Obama will not be able to take it. The "race" card will not win the national election, just turn white Democrats away from the polls. The best way to have another four years of ineffectual, dangerous, terrorist-tempting presidency is if another Republican wins. That's what CNN wants.

    January 16, 2008 02:37 pm at 2:37 pm |
  4. ched

    Why was Hillary's name still on the ballot, anyway?

    January 16, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  5. mmj , south Carolina

    wait a minute, time out. Let's pretend Hillary is Black and Obama is White. would you all feel the same way. or would you just vote for Obama? You all still tripping on the black, white, and woman issue. what about the real issues, like immigration, the economy, jobs, war, global warming, etc. This is not about control, this is about making America a better place and we need the best person for this job. so far Obama has proven he is the one. Hillary is good, but she cannot lead this country the way it should be. She has proven to be weak and has to lay on her husband shoulders to help her. do we need this kind of leader. what will happen if our country is threaten. Can hillary call the shots. I don't think so. I know she has all intentions and want to do alot but we don't think so. it is not because she is a female, it is simple, she has proven she is plain weak. Let's go out and vote, vote the right candidate, who is OBAMA

    January 16, 2008 02:46 pm at 2:46 pm |
  6. Vince Los Angeles, CA

    Ummm.....I am an African American/Hispanic Baby Boomer. I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton under ANY circumstances.....and I support Barack Obama. NO..it's NOT because she is a woman...and NO...it's NOT because he is black. I will not vote for Hillary becuase I remember Bill Clinton's administration and I remember the bickering, finger-pointing, name-calling, backstabbing and scandal that went on when the Clintons were in office (and I think Bill was one of the best presidents we've ever had!). I do NOT equate Hillary's stint as first lady as first had presidential experience. I consider her claim to such "experience" a whole lot of "KOOL AID" for the ignorant. I do NOT want to relive the nonsense the Clinton's will bring with them. Hillary is an EXTREMELY divisive person. Republicans will NOT vote for her...and most Democrats won't vote for her either, leaving a crack in the armor for a Repub candidate to win the presidency again. THIS COUNTRY CAN'T AFFORD THAT.....AND HILLARY SUPPORTERS WOULD RATHER STICK THIER HEAD IN THE SAND THAN ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT!!

    And for all you Hillary supporters that want to attack me now, that's ok....I have not said anything derogatory about Hillary. I've stated my opinion and I'm sure you will all try to twist it into something it's not....typical of most Hillary supporters.

    January 16, 2008 02:48 pm at 2:48 pm |
  7. constant

    I I wouldn't vote for Hillary..no way ...no how. Why? Has nothing to do with her gender. Or her race. Has to do with she is part of the big washington machine that has chugged out all the corruption, silently and quietly taken away our rights. First she is "Mrs Experience", that didn't work, now she is "Mrs CHANGE". She whines when the big boys pick on her. Billy whines when people seem to tired of her whining. And then she will have her "rich black friends" stand up and beat up Obama, b/c it ain't her doing it. She is absolutely pathetic! She is bought and paid for by drug companies and lobbyists, so you hill fans can't blame CNN for that. If she gets into office, she will forget about you people quicker than you can "viagra"! She knows who owns her, and it's not the "little people".
    She is more of the same, and she has shown nothing to me that SHE has to do wtih CHANGE!
    And wait...And now she is a psychic? Or like GW... she is the "doomsday seer"...she infers...the Terrorists are gonna hit on the first day of the new presidency! What a crock of FEAR MONGORING! She is GW in earrings and eye liner!
    No way, no how, would I vote for her and I'm a female democrat!

    January 16, 2008 02:53 pm at 2:53 pm |
  8. Mindy

    I really don't understand how you can say Hillary won. If you are the only name on the ballot that does not count as a win – it counts as a by defaulty win. The fact that 40% of the voters chose not to vote for her says something. Think about it – they came out to vote specifically for undecided and it meant nothing other than making a statement that their voices should count.

    Do I believe the media picks on Hillary more than the others – yeah. But I also believe with her actions and personality she brings it on herself. I don't like watching a candidate morph into a completely different person after each poll, win, or loss. Pick a message that YOU believe in and stick with it. I believe she is an extremely intelligent woman but I can't trust her. She has the warmth of a snake. I also have issues with the dirty campaign that she runs and her overstating her experience. (Actually, Obama has held public office for 11 years compared to Hillary's 6). I think she is willing to do anything to win this election and it is not about the people – it is about her and her ego.

    I really like Edwards, but know that his chances are small. I like Obama too and am quite upset by the accusations of the "race card" being played. He didn't start it and for the most part ignored the Clintons' tacky comments. When it became overplayed in the media is when he addressed the issues. He should not have to apologize

    The thing that I find most appalling on these message boards I have been reading have been the attacks and lies about Obama's Muslim heritage/religion/etc. I encourage everyone to go to factcheck.org to read about all the statements made during debates and on message boards to see what is real and what is a lie – for every candidate. It scares me that there are people in this country who think every person who is either Muslim or has Muslim connections is a terrorist. It is a sad statement on our country that we have not risen above those thoughts.

    Finally, I am a white, 35 year old female. I would love a woman in the White House, but I will not vote for someone solely because she is female. I will not vote for anyone solely on race. My vote will go to the person I feel can heal this country, get congress to act in a more bipartisan manner and who will work towards limiting the power of lobbyists. I hope American's can see beyond the hype and vote for someone they truly feel can lead this country and repair our reputation internationally.

    January 16, 2008 02:54 pm at 2:54 pm |
  9. GaryO Virginia Beach

    Hey YesWeCan. MaybeYouShouldn't. But if you are intent on slapping people, perhaps you should start with yourself.

    Your baseless bias against Baby Boomers is not productive.

    By the way, BOTH Hillary Clinton AND Barack Obama are Baby Boomers.

    January 16, 2008 02:56 pm at 2:56 pm |
  10. Independant Jones

    This entire blog ramble is exactly why the REPUBLICANS will win the Presidential Election. NO REAL WORLD ISSUES DISCUSSED!

    I am truly at a loss to understand why the reported "color/gender/religion diversified and accepting DEMOCRATIC party is so tied up in knots about RACE, GENDER, and RELIGION.

    First step toward correction: Start calling Obama an American – period! Do away with the poltically-incorrect term "African-American". If Obama really was born in Africa, immigrated (legally) to the U.S., and became a U.S. citizen, HE WOULD BE UNABLE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.....Duh

    GOV. Arnold S. IS TRULY AN AUSTRIAN-AMERICAN. Get the idea DEMS...

    Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are effectively alienating the cross-over, undecided, and/or Independant voter with all this squabbling BS.

    Finally, Edwards claim to pull all troops from Iraq within a year is such last gasping for air, its sad. HERE IS FACT YOU DEM AMERICANS – Since 1945 post WWII (U.S. occupied Germany), the U.S. has maintained (for U.S. interests), a military strike force in Germany, Korea, Cuba, Japan, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq - JUST TO NAME FEW COUNTRIES.

    Try these issues for once; Domestic Issues like the U.S. Economy, Unemployment, ILLEGAL immigration, transportation infrastructure, education, homeland security, social services – OR – Global issues like U.S, Foreign policy, international relations, economic trade, and the environment.

    CLINTON, OBAMA, and EDWARDS have NO REAL PLAN FOR THESE REAL ISSUES. That should make the voters cry instead of Hillary.

    Good Luck in the process..

    When the media continues to divide the votes by color were never going to get past this RACE thing. Are the ballots somehow color coded? What percent of the white vote did Hillary receive, Chinese-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Arab-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Japaniese-Americans, Hmong-Americans, Vietnamise-Americans, Irish-Americans, Dutch-Americans, German-Americans, French-Americans, English-Americans, Canadian-Americans, And lets not forget the only true Americans the Indians? I'm sure I missed some country. I say take the hypen out and we're all AMERICANS.

    January 16, 2008 02:57 pm at 2:57 pm |
  11. Kalihi

    The Michigan polls for the Democrats scored 55% for Hillary Clinton and 40% were "Uncommitted." How many of the 40% were African-Americans? Assuming the 40% were all blacks or granting 73% of 40% were blacks, Hillary still emerged as the winner! 55 is simply greater than 40. Downplaying her Michigan victory is utterly nonsense and unfair!

    January 16, 2008 03:09 pm at 3:09 pm |
  12. Ivan, Chicago, Illinois


    January 16, 2008 03:10 pm at 3:10 pm |
  13. kevin from alaska

    The only people Hillary beat were Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel (who? exactly.) Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot. Uncommitted does not mean they would have voted for Obama or Edwards. That's all speculation. Plus, voter turnout was dismal for the Democrats because people's candidates weren't on the ballot.

    My guess is that if Hillary wins the nomination outright, they'll give her the delegates. If Obama wins outright, the delegates won't be counted. Anything else would be pretty scummy.

    January 16, 2008 03:26 pm at 3:26 pm |
  14. matt


    January 16, 2008 03:28 pm at 3:28 pm |
  15. Daniel

    Hillary winning is the only chance us Republicans got. Obama is too unifying. People dissatisfied with the Republican party would vote for Obama, but never Hillary. Go Mitt!!

    January 16, 2008 03:30 pm at 3:30 pm |
  16. Tom Davie

    Actually, Clinton has over 100 more delegates in the race than Obama.

    This is due to very powerfull connections.

    And while Obama is now getting 'endorsements' (like Clinton before) they dont mean a heck of a lot in terms of political pull.

    Obama and Clinton are so close with the voters that i doubt Obama can catch up in the delegate count but we shall see. They made a HUGE mistake in leaving their names off the ballot . Clinton can take all the michigan delegates to the National Convention. The undecided will go to Obama as Edwards will no doubt push all his delegates to Obama in exhcange for a vice president bid.

    I want to mention one thing about the Clintons.

    Every single person who gets into power creates enemies. Especially if they try to enact change that rival politicians dont want. The Clintons were in the whitehouse for 8 years. Over 8 years you will rack up a pile of enemies, and supporters too.

    Just like Reagan created his pile of enemies, and of course the Bush family has. This process goes on and on , with EVERY president.

    Obama is the 'new guy' who has no enemies...................YET.

    What Clinton is trying to do is go back to the white house where nobody in recent history has done before. The good news is the obvious experience , but the bad news is the ENEMIES they made from running the country .

    This is my bet why the media beats here down, thru powerfull connections .

    If she does get elected, she and Bill will bridge the gap. Just like any president who gets elected this time. Republican or Democrat. We HAVE to work in a bi partisan way for the sake of the country.

    January 16, 2008 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  17. PJ

    The best match up for this country would be Obama for the Dem. and McCain for the Rep. Both of these two I think would be able to pull from the opposite party and that is what this country needs to be united again.

    January 16, 2008 03:32 pm at 3:32 pm |
  18. Rob

    A CEO is not a COO. They are different for a reason. If the CEO did a COO's job any company would be lost and confused as to what to do next and HOW. She should know this from those 35 years of experience!!!

    January 16, 2008 03:34 pm at 3:34 pm |
  19. Mary, Michigan

    Good observation, JUST WONDERING.

    January 16, 2008 03:35 pm at 3:35 pm |
  20. Jeff

    My prayer is that we get what/who we need, not what/who we deserve!

    January 16, 2008 03:43 pm at 3:43 pm |
  21. Bethany, St. Louis MO

    Obama is the greatest hope for our future. Visit BarackObama.com to find out the many reasons you should vote for him!

    January 16, 2008 03:44 pm at 3:44 pm |
  22. PJ

    Also, let me ask you Hil supporters who pretend to be for the ERA. If a MAN had started to cry because he wasn't "understood" what would you think of HIM? You would think he was weak. So, if Hil wants to be treated like everyone else she needs to at least pretend to be strong. It was just a shameless attempt to pull on your sympathy and it seems to have worked "all of the people were fooled some of the time" – Abe Lincoln (by the way our Greatest President).

    January 16, 2008 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  23. Dave

    I ask again,
    Can any HRC supporter name any legislation that HRC drafted that became law or was voted on by her fellow senators? Can you supply me with her voting record on key American issues that benefited you? Can you provide me with her reasons why she voted yes or no for these legislations, or her reasons for being not present for them?

    January 16, 2008 03:54 pm at 3:54 pm |
  24. Dave

    The problem with this whole thread is that the negative political tactic plan has worked. By INJECTING race into the campaign true or not true it has caused a divide and focus on race. I've read a few of these comments and it boggles my mind how everyone wants to take sides instead of doing what you feel inside and better yet what's right. OBJECTIVITY people.
    EVERYONE knows it's no surprise that once Obama received the backing of the culinar workers union in Nevada that a law suit popped up.
    EVERYONE knows that injecting race into the campaign harms Obama as it polarizes white america against black america and in the end minority v.s majority? c'mon, who benfits from that?
    YES it was Hillary who started it with the MLK statement.
    EVERYONE knows that Bob Johnson was referring to Obamas drug use and then lied later to suit the Clintons. When you have Biliions of dollars it's kind of hard to disconnect him. Campaign money would probably leave with him.
    YES Obama's campaign rode the race wave in the background until they realized it would hurt him in the long run.
    HILLARY wasn't crying for America, she was crying because she feels she deserves to win and all of us after such hard work to see it crumbling in front of us would make you cry!
    The fear factor is in play here, fear of a black president, woman president, another bush presidency, you name it.

    To end this we should all take a step back and not look at the race factor here but at your own lives and think about what's important to you. I don't recall seeing different gas prices at the pump based on race. We are all feeling the pain of our misguided past choices. Yes Republicans too! So please just use your common sense and let go...... Before we all lose!

    January 16, 2008 03:59 pm at 3:59 pm |
  25. Londoner

    Why does CNN keep measuring everything in African American. Why not Irsih America, German American, Asian America, Latin American, stop the shortminded divisive journalism. There are more important lines to compare the difference between Clinton and Obama than saying this amount of "Blacks" are voting this way and that To the journalist who wrote this article, stop seeing black and white and start seeing the multi colors blend as one. Lets see how the high income and low income are voting, lets see how the secret society members are voting.

    January 16, 2008 04:00 pm at 4:00 pm |
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