January 19th, 2008
07:47 PM ET
13 years ago

Clinton wins precinct tie with queen of hearts

(CNN) - You know you're in Vegas when victory at a caucus precinct comes in the form of a card draw.

On Saturday, Sen. Hillary Clinton won the caucus at Mojave High School in North Las Vegas when one of her supporters pulled out the queen of hearts - besting the 10 of spades for Obama.

Tom Komenda, a Clinton supporter, told CNN there was an even number of supporters for the two candidates - 48 each. But the caucus had five delegates, so they couldn't be split evenly.

How to break the tie? A good old fashioned card draw.

Komenda - who sent CNN the story via I-Report - said a sealed deck was unwrapped. But as the shuffling started, he was concerned that the shuffler might have been shuffling in a way that exposed the faces of the cards to some of the nervous onlookers.

"I said, 'Wait wait wait - if we have to do this idiotic thing with cards, we're going to shuffle them the way they're supposed to be shuffled,'" he told CNN, laughing. "Then they said, 'If you want to shuffle, come down here and shuffle. So I went down and shuffled!"

Komenda says an Obama supporter drew first, and up came the ten of spades. Next, a Clinton supporter drew, and a queen of hearts decided the tie-breaker in favor of Clinton. So the final delegate count was two delegates for Obama, and three for Clinton.

It all ended, he said, in "cheers from one side of the room, groans and boos from the other."

Those cheering ended up rewarding Komenda - he was chosen to be one of the delegates for Clinton.

–CNN's Josh Levs

Filed under: Nevada
soundoff (187 Responses)
  1. 38 delegates to 36 delegates

    Sorry Hillary friends maybe next time....Obama 13 delegates Hillary 12. Congrats on your popular vote. But ask Al Gore if that worked for him. And yes, that's a total of 38 for Obama and 36 for Hillary. Not the superdelegates we all know those are not final delegate counts. Good luck next week will see you in SC.
    OBAMA 08!!!!!!

    January 19, 2008 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm |
  2. Young, but brighter than you

    Sadly, people are still too in love with the Clinton's. Obama has had a fantastic political career; he spent his life in public service to the poor, fighting corporate corruption and advocating for improved health care. He was considered a skilled negotiator during his 8 years as state senator, who could get stuff done across party lines. He has been known to always be above the fray, and spent his political life advocating unity between parties for better legislation. He is a worthy candidate.

    But he never ran against the Clinton machine. And the Clinton's will rip your heart out and eat it in front of you, if they think it will win them an election. Rutheless and without any shame is what I'm saying. And democrats love the Clinton's like a farm pig loves slop. They can't get enough.

    Hopefully we will eventually get rid of these entrenched political families, and get some new political blood in there to take us to a better future. But what's really sad is all this racism that has come out of this. I'd be surprised if black democrats don't sit out this general election.

    Uggh, politics! it brings out the ugliness in all of us.

    January 19, 2008 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm |
  3. Danny

    May God have mercy on you, Americans, if the Clintons hit The House again...!!

    January 19, 2008 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm |
  4. joel

    Interesting with Clinton's Navada win: The Clintons by injecting race into this scheme, has figured that winning the Whithouse without Black support is worth it with the gamble that they would win over Blacks after she takes office. This could change history, by moving 30-40 percent of Black voters into the Republican party if McCain is the winner. After 4 to 8 years the Clinton's will be history and it wouldn't too much matter to them what happends to the democratic party. They have figured it out that they can win with the women, hispanics, and some of the south... Very interesting how the country is intergrating...

    January 19, 2008 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm |
  5. trueblue

    When did all the racist decide to support Hillary Clinton?

    You idiots better tone it down, because she hasn't won anything yet. And the outrageously racial hostility in your attitudes towards Obama, may wind up hurting Hillary more than you think down the line. Not everyone in your party has the same ugly attitude as you.

    January 19, 2008 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm |
  6. Rob

    Hillary is running on experience, if she wins the nomination who on the republican side has less experience than her? no one, she will look stupid.

    So she will run as the candidate of change,

    ........not a good showing there either.


    January 19, 2008 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm |
  7. Pat

    Republicans are all for Hillary winning primary elections AND general election. They are loading their guns for her as we speak. Obama is my choice for the next President of the United States, with John Edwards as V.P. What a winning ticket that would be!!!

    January 19, 2008 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm |
  8. Whatever..Clinton

    With Hillary we have four more years of the same old stuff, and the possiblity of losing seats in Congress. She is divisive, and the Clinton politics leaves a lot to be desired. I suggest all you Clinton supporters try fact checking before making accusations. By the way, Barack won almost every county outside of Clark County – overwhelmingly. I guess whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
    Go Barack Obama!

    January 19, 2008 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm |
  9. anon middle america

    Jed in Texas January 19, 2008 7:52 pm ET

    Lets just call it a CRAP SHOOT. LOL And the Crap won .

    ^^^^^^^^^^ Jed scrape the cow pies off your boots and start counting the days until "Your Village gets its Idiot back" 😉

    Can't hardly wait until all the little GOP pointy heads explode in unison heheheh

    HERE'S yet another woman we shall all have to hope is NOT Pro-Choice?! Maybe she's never heard of Roe vs Wade and the increasingly conservative leaning of the US Supreme Court?! = Ella January 19, 2008 8:27 pm ET

    If Hilary wins the nomination I will vote republican
    I am a woman but I will never vote for Hilary.

    Cut off your own noses to spite your faces 🙁 BUT a true Democratic woman who supports the Democratic platform will NEVER vote for a Republican – but it is your right to choose to stay home... or kiss womens' rights good-bye.

    ANOTHER OBAMA BABY ~Tom Davie pull your skirt down~ = Are you all 3rd graders trying to peek up everyone's kilts?!

    AND to sairefgm January 19, 2008 8:47 pm ET "To everyone This has become too much for me."

    Have a nice glass of French Bordeaux and take a Spa Day sweetie. Indulge yourself... go on a shopping spree, the sputtering economy needs your help. It's been suffering since all these upscale Obama yuppie guppies have been spending all their time on the blogs and youtube, rather than at the malls!! We're sure that Obama could singlehandedly stave off the recession just by telling all "his supporters" Go Out And Buy Buy Buy as usual... Gotta luv 'em

    January 19, 2008 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm |
  10. Katherine

    If Hillary wins the nomination, let's pray that Bloomberg enters the race. I couldn't vote for a Republican because of what it could mean for the Supreme Court. . .but Bloomberg is really a Dem anyway. He's the best second choice.

    I also pray that Edwards stays in up to the convention and then his delegates go to Obama. If he gets out too soon, it gives the Clintons too much time to use some dirty tricks to get his delegates!

    January 19, 2008 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm |
  11. don fisk

    So00000, Paul beats McCain, Huckeberry, thompson Guiliani etc and is NEvER mentioned in the news stations as coming in second with 14% of the vote in Nevada .

    January 19, 2008 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm |
  12. Margarita, Los Angeles


    January 19, 2008 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm |
  13. WaaWaabama

    one of her supporters pulled out the queen of hearts — besting the 10 of spades for Obama.


    Oh the irony!

    By the way, why didn't Obama congratulate Hillary Clinton or even thank his supporters in Nevada?!? Talk about a sore loser and ungrateful!

    January 19, 2008 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm |
  14. Twigster

    Has an Obama supporter who was in the room come forward to confirm this? Folks will just say anything for their 15 minutes.

    January 19, 2008 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm |
  15. WaaWaabama

    That's sad that a card pull decided…this could have meant a lot on who won the state.

    Huh? Hillary Clinton won thousands of delegates 51% of them. 1 delegate would equal about.0001% of the total. The totals are delegate totals not actual vote totals. Dehr.

    January 19, 2008 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm |
  16. JAM

    I thought Obama was supposed to win this one. It is just a matter of time until his supporters claim some kind of cheating or a conspiracy . He just lost and that is it.

    I think the Hispanics turned the tide on this one. Clinton needs to forget about the Black vote and concentrate on the Hispanic vote if she wants to win. I have been listening to the Blacks talk about why they are voting for Obama and for the most part they are voting for him because of race. She cannot win that one so she may as well concede it and focus on the voters she has a chance to sway.

    January 19, 2008 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm |
  17. Patrick, New York,Ny

    CLINTON 08!!

    Hillary CLinton: Hope without the Hype!!

    January 19, 2008 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm |
  18. Baffled

    Veronica – Check again...
    South Carolina has 54 total delegates... 2 of which Hillary already has.

    January 19, 2008 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm |
  19. charlieblaze

    Well, congratulations for Clinton part 2 supporters. Hillary won. Something that I have to say that bothers me is that so many people have stated flat out that they were voting for her because she is a woman. Just read Gloria Steinem's explanation for her advocacy of Clinton. Yet, if Obama or any supporters make any mention of his race being a criteria for their voting, it becomes the "Race Card." Then, they are all villified, even though Hillary plays a "Gender Card." No one should vote for someone based on their race or gender, but it is apparent from some of the comments here that it is the reason. I guess Hillary being the nominee will completely liberate all women from the male patriachy and thus an African American would have to wait their turn years later.

    So, while I want Obama to win the nomination, it will be fine if Hillary wins. I sincerely hope that all genders will be equal, since sexism is such as debilitating issue. Maybe after Hillary's presidential terms, then racism can be addressed too. And please do not tell me that some of her support and advocacy doesn't come from her gender.

    January 19, 2008 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm |
  20. Connie

    Hillary was willfully sent to block Obama from winning for the democratic primary and she will willfully lose in November to a Republican. Because, the Republican must continue the war in Iraq. I do not trust this election. Everything about this election appears to be very weird and fishy. Hillary did not win New Hampshire or Nevada. There is something going on behind close doors and we will never know the answer. America should rise up and protest against this election. This scandal!!!!! AND FOR THE RECORD I AM A WOMAN..AND I AM AGAINST HILLARY..Most women do not support that Hillary. I am ashamed to have her as my president. She has played the most dirtiest politics I have ever seen. I have no respect for her and I will leave America if she wins the general election. HILLARY IS BADDDD NEWS!

    Thank you for your understanding!

    January 19, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  21. Eric in Massachusetts

    Michael, why do all blacks need to vote for Obama? That is so incredibly racist. Disgusting.

    January 19, 2008 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm |
  22. Christine NJ

    Winner is the Winner, Loser is the Loser, DO NOT need to angry. 'destiny' was given by GOD.

    January 19, 2008 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm |
  23. Bill

    Obama spinning a tale about delagates.


    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is the declared winner of the Nevada caucuses. But Sen. Barack Obama's campaign says he walked away with one more delegate than Clinton.

    Not so fast, says the Nevada Democratic Party. "Just like in Iowa, what was awarded today were delegates to the County Convention," said Jill Derby, chairwoman of the Nevada Democrats. "No national convention delegates were awarded."

    Huffington Post.com:

    "Hillary Clinton won the Nevada Caucuses today by winning a majority of the delegates at stake. The Obama campaign is wrong. Delegates for the national convention will not be determined until April 19." Jill Derby, Chair of the Nevada State Party, also spoke out on delegates as the results came in. She emphasized that national delegate counts are "based upon an assumption that delegate preferences will remain the same," when in fact they could change at the convention. Derby added a disconcerting line to hammer the point home: "We look forward to our county and state conventions where we will choose the delegates for the nominee that Nevadans support."

    Translation: If this thing is close, "we" party insiders will "choose" for the rest of the state.

    CNN has the delegate vote Obama 38 Clinton 36 Edwards 18 a 2 delegate difference with the magic number being 2025.

    CNN has total delegate vote including SuperDelegates Obama 123 Clinton 210 Edwards 52 out of the magic number of 2,025

    My advice to the Obama camp move on and stop talking about delegate counts then people will start looking West where Clinton will have the edge over Obama. Does anyone really believe Clinton will loose her Senate seat state of New York or neighboring New Jersey. Florida has a large Latino population and is more friendly ground to Clinton than Obama. The governor of Ohio has already stated Clinton could win there. Without any of these states the democratic nominee cannot win the nomination or the general election.

    January 19, 2008 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm |
  24. AJ, IL


    Let's be clear here...Hillary Clinton is the Democratic establishment favorite to win the nomination. She was the favorite back in March 2007. Obama is the underdog. Obama went from polls numbers that had him 20+pts behind Hillary in all the past caucauses and primary other than Iowa to winning one and being within 3 to 7pts of overtaking Hillary in the other contests.

    The CNN total delegate scorecard is not totally meaningless but you should not look at CNN's total delegate scorecard as 100% factual. It is a projection. Obama leads Clinton, slightly, in the delegate count where the Democratsand some Independents gets together and vote. Clinton leads Obama in the superdelegate count. Superdelegates are Democratic members of Congress and members of the Democratic National Committee who endorse a candidate. Remember the recent media stories of John Kerry and Patrick Leahy endorsing Obama. Both of these guys are superdelegates.

    Hillary Clinton has more superdelegates, well lets be honest, due to Bill Clinton. A majority of the superdelegates have known Richardson, Dodd, and Biden for years but yet did not endorse them. However, superdelegates can change there votes at any time between now and the Democratic national convention.

    This nomination race has developed into a real contest for Hillary who was described by the media and many Democrats back in June 2007 as the dominant candidate in the race that would easily win.

    OBAMA in '08!

    January 19, 2008 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm |
  25. Tim Calhoun '08, Moreno Valley, CA

    Gee, good to see Vegas hasn't changed...

    By the way, those who say Hillary leads in delegates are wrong. She has more superdelegates, but those aren't pledged and can change their minds.

    I have this feeling we won't know who the nominee is for months.

    January 19, 2008 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm |
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