New Michigan plan proposed
[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/03/31/art.stupak.gi.jpg caption=" Stupak is proposing a new plan to seat Michigan's delegates. "]WASHINGTON (CNN) - Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak proposed a new plan on Monday to seat his state's Democratic delegates to the party's convention in August, factoring in both the results of the state's January primary and the total popular vote of all the primary contests nationwide.
In a proposal sent to Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Stupak proposed allotting 83 of Michigan's pledged delegates based on the January vote, while the state's remaining pledged delegates and superdelegates - 73 total - are to be awarded based on the nationwide vote.
The DNC stripped Michigan of its convention delegates late last year after the state moved up its primary to January 15. Under pressure from other early-voting states, most of the Democratic presidential candidates removed their name from the ballot there.
But Clinton opted to keep her name on the ballot and ultimately received 55 percent of the vote, compared to the 40 percent of the vote that went for "uncommitted."
Under Stupak's proposal, Clinton would receive 47 delegates based on her vote total, while Obama would be awarded 36 delegates based on that "uncommitted" result; the rest would be divided according to the nationwide popular vote total after all the primaries are completed.
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No, No, NO!!!
You can't seat all of Michigan's delegates. They broke the rules.
Seat half of them, like the Republicans did.
All of them, NO!
If Michigan or Florida gets pardoned from their punishment I'm voting Republican.
Stupak = Stupid! Sorry, no deal. 50/50 or you can forget Michigan! Play fair, Bart!
All this bickering amongst the bleedin’ hearts over Michigan and Florida is nauseating.
This is your Democratic party America…
While Islamic terrorists in far off corners of the world plot the next attack on American soil, liberals bicker about superdelegates and Reverend Wrights and supposed sniper attacks in Bosnia.
While covert Madrasas operate in places like Pakistan and the Sudan; teaching hatred and vengance to a new wave of terrorists in waiting, liberals want to spend more resources on pork barrel social programs and a national health care system which doesn't have a chance of working.
While the nascent Iraqi Security Force and National Police are finally starting to turn the corner and be self sufficient, risk averse liberals want to call it quits and turn our backs on the Iraqis. Too afraid of taking more casualties.
While Osama bin Laden talks of the destruction of western society and the formation of a great Islamic caliphate, a liberal candidate for President talks superficially of hope and change to wild eyed audiences enamored by his good looks and charm....but never bothering to look closely at whether he has the relevant National Security and foreign policy experience required to be the Commander in Chief.
YOUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!
Of course Obama will be against this because it doesn't favor him....it only favors the voters......
The DNC allowed themselves to be duped into disinfranchising voters when they decided BEFORE the primary NOT to seat the delegates. And, to give ANY delegates to senator clinton or obama would be patently unfair UNLESS it is decided to RE-VOTE in both those states. Although, even with the proposed strategy the numbers still wouldn't close the gap for Senator Clinton, I can't see any other way to fix this that would be fair and equitable.
Where was all the concern and outrage by both the voters and the candidates when it was FIRST told to them (BEFORE THE PRIMARIES) that this was going to be the outcome? There was PLENTY of time to try to fix it then. This election has really pulled the covers off of America - we find that we are not as racially tolerant as we thought, we aren't completely ready for a woman president, we have zero religious or cultural tolerance, and our current electoral system is less and less democratic...........
As a Hillary Supporter, I applaud this! This is all I wanted. Even the measly +11 votes that Hillary would get is great for those of us who supported her.
Yes, she barely did make 50% even in a state with Uncommitted being Obama but give the girl some love!
I think this sounds quite fair to both campaigns. So what if HRC gets a few extra delegates, it will put this Michigan thing to rest. As for FL, their legislature needs to pull it together as MI has.
Let's stop falling for the "It's all Obama's fault" strategy that the Clinton themselves signed off on.
Obama '08
Simple Solution: Give HIllary the delegates.
another AFRICAN AMERICAN backstabbed the clintons..OH wow..its the infamous 50 Cent who hates everyone..
Hillary was against Michigan's votes counting before she was for it.
This plan will work, but only under withering sniper fire.
DNC and democraticparty elite and media and celebrities are to blame for this mess.
They wanted a coronation of the American Idol- but the people did not jump on the bandwagon as expected.
So they suppressed the votes/voices of 2 very important states to continue to ram the rock star down the people's throats.
No matter what happens now, this election will not be viewed as legitimate if Obama is given the nomination.
We all know Hillary was bashed and trashed.
We all know the race card was pulled in SC for no good reason. It was freedom of speech and just a true historical factual statement.
We all know freedom of speech was used to excuse comments that were racist and deserved condemnation- if they had been verbalized by white people.
We all know the caucus format was flawed and gave an unfair advantage to Obama and disadvantaged Clinton.
We all know that the Fl and Mi votes need to count- and a re-vote is the only fair way. Well almost fair, since Obama boasts that time is on HIS side, a re-vote should tip in HIS favor. And current polls would indicate that a revote would tip in HIS favor.
I just don't understand how anything other than a re vote works for Michigan since Obama and others were not on the ballot.
why can't lawmakers live by rules?
If we change the rules for these cry babies,
then let all the criminals out of prison!
They KNEW by moving up their primary, the votes wouldn't count.
*I* had never HEARD of Obama before Iowa..
Now I support him
Michigan and Florida votes would have been DIFFERENT
if they had occured AFTER Iowa,
like they are supposed to.
This RULE CHANGING business is symptom of a DISEASE!!!
Yea, that's a good proposal... Let's award delegates based on an election that wasn't suppose to happen and one in which one of the candidates followed the rules, was not on the ballot and did not campaing. Yep – that's all kinds of fair.
Not giving Hillary the Florida vote is like throwing out Sout Carolina's vote.
We only want to count the states that favor Obama.
We want to throw out the states that favor Clinton.
Michigan needs a re-vote period.
Obama and his lawyers are blocking the re-vote.
Jeez... thug tactics
I don't really see how thats fair. If you are portioning up any of the delegates based on the January primary, then you are clearly giving Clinton an advantage. Why should she be rewarded for having her name on the ballot in Michigan when the DNC started the primary season by taking away the delegates from Michigan? That does not make sense to me. You are rewarding people for breaking the rules. Let the voices of the people be heard. Let ANYONE who wants to vote in the democratic primary including independent, democrats, and republicans re-vote in the michigan primaries. We need something fair and not something thats tilted to one side or the other. If you give clinton an advantage now then you should also give obama and advantage NOW and not later on.
I saw an interview over the weekend from members of the MICHIGAN legislature who made the decision to NOT do a revote....
and guess what – they are Obama supporters, and it was blatantly obvious that they were very pleased with themselves in their decision.
One man actually had a VERY SMUG smile on his face and said ' I guess it's a good thing Obama is in the lead'.....
can you say "hijack" – is this legal? probably not....I think there is much amiss about things going on behind the scenes in the Obama campaign.
There is a video also out about a Hillary delegate from TX who was called by the Obama campaign and they told her she was listed as being an Obama delegate, and when she called them on it, they hung up – it was a recorded video.
What's going on here?????? Does the media even care to ask?
Are they protecting him so much that they can't even report fairly and truthfully?????? or even report at all?
What about his lies? what about Rezko? what about his legislative embellishments? what about his strong desire to get Hillary to quit and hand him the nomination a on a silver platter?
Obama has a history of lawyering up to secure his wins whenever he campaigns.
But I doubt the entire Nation can be bullied into submission.
We just do not want Obama as the nominee.
Whatever. As long as Hillary is the nominee and not the "Clueless One".
Whatever, but many people think that it is unforgivable that
people let Hillary blame Obama for the Problems in Mich. and Fla.
It is not true. We are tired of the lies. We are trying to get awat from
lying politicians. Americans Crave the Truth. Wonder Why?
Retired Professional White Woman of 63 for Obama on Day 1
Buzz Thomas and Tupac Hunter, two African State senator from MI who are Obama blocked the revote. They are clearly not thinking about the general election. It's all about getting the nomination first. Not revoting in MI and Fl, democrats satnd a chance of losing in those states. Hello to President McCain who is so stubborn that is beyond believe. He hasn't learned from the mistakes of the Vietnam war. He wants more of our soldiers to die in Iraq. Maybe in 40 years we can all go to Iraq for a vacation just like people are vacationing in Vietnam. What an insult to families who have love ones that died in Vietnam.
Let's have a complete do-over in all states, knowing what we know now.
Lets close the primaries and ONLY let registered democrats have a say in the primary for the democratic party.
Lets trash the flawed caucus system and make them all primaries where MORE of the people who WANT to vote get to vote.
Ant this time, lets COUNT all the votes- not just the pro-Obama ones.
How many times does it have to be said: Hillary knew the rules and signed a pledge just like ALL the other candidates. Perhaps John Edwards should be allowed back in the race to have his name on the ballot in Michigan and Florida? She is on tape (under sniper fire no less) stating that Michigan and Florida would not count.
When will the media stop perpetuating all the Clinton spin? Never because then they would actually have to do some real work and investgative reporting instead of being spoonfed the news for the day by the Clinton machine.
Just split the delegates and be done with it.....how much more even can you get....
So.... we're going to address disenfranchisement in Michigan by allocating delegates based on a combination of tallying the national popular vote (which Michigan voters had no say in) and the January primary results (which Obama supporters had no say in)? The end result is that Senator Clinton will not receive any real boost in her delegate count despite winning Michigan by 15%. Who exactly is going to be placated by this??? The only people who will benefit from this are the chuckleheads in the Michigan Democratic Party who caused this whole mess in the first place.
Either hold a revote or don't seat Michigan's delegates, there really are no other options.