March 31st, 2008
05:10 PM ET
11 years ago

New Michigan plan proposed

[cnn-photo-caption image= caption=" Stupak is proposing a new plan to seat Michigan's delegates. "]WASHINGTON (CNN) - Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak proposed a new plan on Monday to seat his state's Democratic delegates to the party's convention in August, factoring in both the results of the state's January primary and the total popular vote of all the primary contests nationwide.

In a proposal sent to Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Stupak proposed allotting 83 of Michigan's pledged delegates based on the January vote, while the state's remaining pledged delegates and superdelegates - 73 total - are to be awarded based on the nationwide vote.

The DNC stripped Michigan of its convention delegates late last year after the state moved up its primary to January 15. Under pressure from other early-voting states, most of the Democratic presidential candidates removed their name from the ballot there.

But Clinton opted to keep her name on the ballot and ultimately received 55 percent of the vote, compared to the 40 percent of the vote that went for "uncommitted."

Under Stupak's proposal, Clinton would receive 47 delegates based on her vote total, while Obama would be awarded 36 delegates based on that "uncommitted" result; the rest would be divided according to the nationwide popular vote total after all the primaries are completed.

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soundoff (300 Responses)
  1. Vanessa in FL

    Michigan and Florida broke the rules. The outcome would have been different had those two states followed the rules.

    Compromise: 50-50 split.

    After all, the candidates are concerned about the people being disenfranchised, right? HRC won't agree to that because she wants the option that gives her the most delegates.

    March 31, 2008 08:47 pm at 8:47 pm |
  2. Jeff in WI

    ""Where was all the concern and outrage by both the voters and the candidates when it was FIRST told to them (BEFORE THE PRIMARIES) that this was going to be the outcome?""

    That's why I have ZERO sympathy for the voters in Michigan and Florida. They only decided to pitch a fit about it AFTER Hillary, who once signed off on it, decided to make a self-serving issue of it when she realized she'd need them after all.

    March 31, 2008 08:47 pm at 8:47 pm |
  3. Slimey Hillary

    It doesn't matter. Hillary is running for 2012, so if she can foul up this process for Barack, so be it. She is the slime of the earth, and the DNC should give her the boot.

    Hillary: "Whaaaaaaa, if I can't have the nomination, nobody will get it".

    She's a big baby.

    March 31, 2008 08:47 pm at 8:47 pm |
  4. Susan

    I hope Michigan is for Clinton. Do not be afraid to vote for a woman president. Women are lawyers, doctors, mothers, and the majority of teachers are women....who teach our children. Women......mothers and teachers reach our children. Our family was for Obama at first, but not now. He appears to be 'too star struck' and will say anything to be in the news. Not good for a president. All our family is now for Hillary Clinton.

    March 31, 2008 08:47 pm at 8:47 pm |
  5. Lynn D

    I think the whole idea by the DNC to punish Florida and Michigan for moving up their primaries is totally ridiculous. They should not have a say if a state wants to move their primary let alone trying to punish them. If I lived in either of those states and the DNC did not allow the votes to count, I would sue them. The constitutional right to vote over rides any rules by the DNC trying to suppress them. I think regardless what candidate you support or what party you belong to, you should be outraged at the thought that your fellow American's votes would not be counted!! I for one will stand up for my fellow Americans in the great states of Florida and Michigan.

    March 31, 2008 08:48 pm at 8:48 pm |
  6. Powered by the People


    favor hill

    voter know the Gov. is to blame
    use the vote to change

    48 state Gov. got it right


    March 31, 2008 08:49 pm at 8:49 pm |
  7. Anyone For Kool-Aid?

    What Kool-Aid is Stupak drinking? Barrack’s name wasn't even on the ballot. He believed the DNC when they said the ballots would not be counted. Hillary ignored the DNC, because she is accustomed to breaking rules.

    So let Hillary and her voters pay the penalty for breaking the rules. Why should Barack and others suffer for Hillary's mistake?

    This is America Hillary, in case you forgot. We follow the rules.

    This woman is a great liar, she must have been a heck of a lawyer.

    Obama 08

    March 31, 2008 08:52 pm at 8:52 pm |
  8. Let The Will Of The Voters Be Done!

    The votes should be counted as they were cast by the voters. But, if that is not to happen, then I think whatever is done should be agreeable to the Clinton campaign since it will be Hillary Clinton who would be giving up votes with a compromise if the votes of the voters are not counted as they were cast.

    March 31, 2008 08:52 pm at 8:52 pm |
  9. n. miller

    No way – The only way to resolve this issue, at this time, is to give Clinton and Obama each half of the delegates for the two states.

    March 31, 2008 08:52 pm at 8:52 pm |
  10. Rose from CT

    To step down Hillary.
    Your comments are nasty but expected. I heard Tom Brokaw say on Sunday, Hillary is strong and should stay in. Obama's supporters are the ones asking and Brokaw said if the situation were reversed, Obama would also stay in. So, take the nastiness out and use your head. This is reality, like it or not!
    Sure beats Re. Jeremiah Wright.

    March 31, 2008 08:53 pm at 8:53 pm |
  11. Bridget

    What does this teach people about rules? That we should always try to find a way around them.

    What a great legacy for our children.

    March 31, 2008 08:57 pm at 8:57 pm |
  12. Drop Out Obama

    obama should just drop out, then we would have a problem.

    March 31, 2008 08:57 pm at 8:57 pm |
  13. Fred

    How can you give sombody the most votes because she didnt take her name off the ballot. Thats BS Split the votes down the middle. Thats the only fair thing you can do. Or follow the rules and dont count them at all as agreed by all parties and that goes for Hillary.

    March 31, 2008 08:58 pm at 8:58 pm |
  14. Louis

    For once can people admit/accept/acknowledge the fact that Florida and Michigan willfuly broke the RULES with foreknowledge that the votes would not be counted prior to breaking the rules. If the former resides in fact, why does the media and some political campaigns continually float the idea that the voters in these two states have somehow been disenfranchised. I cannot recall any of you advising these states not to break the rules when something fruitful possibly could have been attained. To continue to harp on this issue when these adults in these two states knew what they were doing seems somewhat silly. I guess we can go rob a bank and these people will argue on our behalf. Again, it seems really petty.

    March 31, 2008 08:58 pm at 8:58 pm |
  15. Rajah

    I bet Hillary will claim that she deserves the votes in Michigan because of the sniper fire she endured when she landed in Detroit. Billary have been a lying combination for many years. Has everyone forgotten all the scandals and dirty politics from the early 90's? The stuff they have on Obama is nothing compared to what the Republicans will bring out from the past on Hillary. The cycle must be stopped.

    Bush – CLinton – Bush – ???

    Anyone but Hillary.

    March 31, 2008 08:58 pm at 8:58 pm |
  16. No Hillary

    ..................... and before the spin-artist Billary was forced to step down, she was trying her last tricks....yet none of them worked and Obama became the nominee that later defeated McCain in national elections in Nov 2008 and became the President of the United States of America......THIS IS HOW HISTORY WILL REMEMBER THESE EVENTS.

    March 31, 2008 08:58 pm at 8:58 pm |
  17. Steve

    split them 50-50. Let's play by the rules.

    March 31, 2008 08:59 pm at 8:59 pm |
  18. California

    How would this avoid disenfranchisement? Any arbitrary award of delegates will not be reflective of the will of the voters. Obviously with only one candidate on the ballot the only equitable option is to have a revote. Which should be paid for by the people who decided to move the date. I would argue however that these people who willfully disobeyed the rules, fully knowing the repercussions, seemingly without any contrition or acountability, who now want off the hook- should be made to serve their punishment. Rules are rules, and fair is fair. It is dissapointing to be sure that the voters will not have a meaningful vote in the PRIMARY, but this is just that, a primary, for party members to elect their party's candidate. This is not a general election. The term "disenfranchisement" is not only erroneous, but disingenuous, and is obviously a premise posited by Clinton supporters to favorably frame their arguments. These voters should direct their ire at those who got them into this mess, not towards either candidate or the DNC. For the record I was an Edwards supporter.

    March 31, 2008 09:00 pm at 9:00 pm |
  19. Serious

    The votes from January shoud not count in any proportion! Just because it happened hardly makes it fair. Uncommitted is not a valid measure of votes for Obama. REVOTE OR NO VOTES!

    March 31, 2008 09:01 pm at 9:01 pm |
  20. SCOTT

    I don't know that I can add anything that hasn't already been said. Rules are rules. FL and MI should not count in the primary. Come back in November and play like adults.

    And for all you Democrats out there who are thinking of registering a protest vote for John McCain if your candidate does not get the nomination (especially you women out there) remember, there will likely be two Supreme Court vacancies to filled by the next president that are currently held by moderate to progressive Justices. Now do you want the conservatives in the republican party to place two Supreme Court Justices FOR LIFE? Think about what that means to a woman's right to choose. You can kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye. And you can bet that personal civil rights will also be a thing of the past. So, just a little food for thought before you cast your tantrum vote.

    March 31, 2008 09:01 pm at 9:01 pm |
  21. jp/michigan

    I voted in Michigan. We were told to vote uncommitted for Obama, it was even posted in the daily newspapers. The division of delegates is fair. In Florida Obama spent 1.3 million on ads in the state and he still lost. We voted uncommitted for him and he still lost. The people in the Michigan legislature that shot down the re-vote were the Obama campaign supporter in Michigan. Now the Obama supports do not want Michigan or Florida delegates divided before the convention, becausde they are AFRAID! BIG CRY BABIES>

    March 31, 2008 09:02 pm at 9:02 pm |
  22. truth be told

    can't these politicians get it? the more they stir the pot, the more messier it gets! they should admit that they screwed up and let their constituents know that they did. they should not let hillary mess it up even more so they can cover what they did.

    rules are rules are rules! the dnc did not want anyone to lose their right to express their choices. but the rules have been in place before this campaigns began and these two states broke it. hillary and obama, along with the other candidates at that time, agreed to enforce the rules. of course, with hillary, wily as she is, did an about face when things did not go her way. and look at what she's done! she will do everything to get the nomination! can't you people get it! if you can't or won't, then too bad. no soup for you then!

    March 31, 2008 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  23. Jeff in WI

    All the people who say Michigan and Florida won't vote Democrat if they aren't counted....maybe losing this election to the Republicans would be a good lesson for the Democrats for discounting them.

    But bottom line – the January results are spoiled. Counting them would be fraudulent.

    March 31, 2008 09:10 pm at 9:10 pm |
  24. Ann Romero

    Honesty, I do not like Obama. This is the worst choice ever... why in the world should it matter. This world is crazy any how, and what does it matter any one should chose the weaker party? That is the way of the world anyhow. No one really cares about America even if Hillary is the better choice. So Be It America!!!!!

    March 31, 2008 09:12 pm at 9:12 pm |
  25. Geoffgw

    This is completely unfair and ridiculous. First , the Michigan delegates will be seated based on a sham election. Second, proportioning based on popular vote is not reasonable as half the states have been caucus states where the popular vote is dramatically less than than in primary states and not at all comparable to primary or general election voting.

    March 31, 2008 09:20 pm at 9:20 pm |
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