April 3rd, 2008
04:32 PM ET
10 years ago

Clinton backers: She must win popular vote

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(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."

Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.

Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.

Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.

- CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

soundoff (390 Responses)
  1. bob toano

    I can hear a faint rumbling from the fat lady . It sounds like she is getting ready to sing.

    April 3, 2008 05:01 pm at 5:01 pm |



    GO HILLARY!!!!

    April 3, 2008 05:02 pm at 5:02 pm |
  3. True Independent, MD

    Stop the hating, both supporters. You Dems had better start uniting.

    April 3, 2008 05:03 pm at 5:03 pm |
  4. HIllary supporter who understands the rules of the game

    Even if she wins the popular vote, who can deny Obama the nomination if he wins twice as many states as well as more delegates than clinton. Obama has clearly earned the nomination.

    For Hillary to win, she needs superdelegates to overturn the delegate lead by obama. I'm kind of like the Cleaver who guy said he is rooting for clinton but has come to accept that Obama will get the nomination

    i think other Hillary voters should stop saying they will vote for mcain instead of obama. You guys are so ignorant, your vote shouldnt' count. There are basically no policy differences between obama and clinton. Both will further the democrat agenda and if you are a hillary supporter who doesn't understand....you are pathetic

    April 3, 2008 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
  5. That Jay Guy from up Canada

    So if Richardson was a Judas what does this make Corzine and Murtha...

    April 3, 2008 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
  6. Hillary Supporter

    If Michigan and Florida had been counted from the get go, we would have had a winner by now; oh, wait, do you think the Obama supporters would be crying fowl, of course. Instead, they want to steal away the election just like the Republicans did when Gore lost.

    Better yet, had the tables been turned on Obama and it was he in Hillary's position, they would not have stood for this problem the DNC has created? I don't think so.

    April 3, 2008 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
  7. jp/michigan

    The media's pro-Obama tilt, its indifference to his resistance to invaliding these states Michigan and Florida, in the 'actual' nomination process is its most disturbing favor,' especially since this brand of ' conventional politics', as Obama would put it , flies in the face of his contention that, ' the people' should pick the nominee. This is what he tells voters, yet his supporters have done every thing not to allow a re-vote in these states.

    April 3, 2008 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
  8. Quinn


    Your numbers are WAAAAY OFF. If Hillary netted 20 delegates over Obama in Pennsylvania she would still be behind by 142 pledged delegates...not 4.

    Plain and simple. Hillary cannot win unless she manages the revise the rules in the middle of the game. If she does that, she is no longer a candidate, but a crook.

    April 3, 2008 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
  9. david

    For all the people slamming Fl and Mi, what if you voted and it didn't count? It's not the citizens fault their votes didn't count, it was the legislatures. The citizens of these two states have a Constitutional right for their votes to be counted, regardless of who they are supporting. Some of you backers, whethter you are pro-Obama or pro-Clinton would be upset if your vote didn't count. So, please layoff these states....its not fair and we ALL know it. It does seem like that Dean is going to be able to get the delegates counted, in this case, they will go to Clinton.

    April 3, 2008 05:05 pm at 5:05 pm |
  10. Paul d

    Recently, on several occasions, Hillary Clinton has used the film character of Rocky as a way or saying that she will not quit the primary race and that like Rocky she will win no matter what opposes her. I think someone should remind Hillary that in the first Rocky film...he lost!

    April 3, 2008 05:05 pm at 5:05 pm |
  11. Sean, Detroit MI

    As a Michigan voter I do not feel that the vote here was valid. For weeks before the vote took place we were constantly told that even if we voted, our votes would not matter as the state had broken party rules and had been stripped of it's delegates. So with that in mind, I, and numerous other people in Michigan, chose not to vote at all. it was widely covered that the voting places were virtual ghost towns. no lines. no voter turn out. nothing. it was patheticcally empty all across the state. had I thought my vote wouldve counted, I and many others here, wouldve cast our votes for Edwards or Obama.

    April 3, 2008 05:05 pm at 5:05 pm |
  12. bigben

    Clinton supporters by a fair % will go McCain. Don't crown him prez yet

    April 3, 2008 05:05 pm at 5:05 pm |
  13. Hal

    I dont;t understand it but, everybody can't get enough of Hillary bashing! I don't know why, but the Democrats are definitely mean spirited people!!

    April 3, 2008 05:05 pm at 5:05 pm |
  14. Yes, DM again Arlington, TX

    Hillary Clinton is running the same old tired ads. She is not being honest nor truthful with anyone. She always trying to discourage voters to support Sen. Barack Obama. I think she needs to show s her tax return and pursue her legal case in California.

    April 3, 2008 05:06 pm at 5:06 pm |
  15. Marc in DeKalb, IL

    Before some Clintonian tells the FL/MI myth, too... even with FL/MI as is ... she's losing in the popular vote by 100,000 votes... and that's without counting the "Uncommitted" votes in Michigan as Obama votes.

    ... she's not winning *ANYTHING* right now except "pledged superdelegates", and most of those had pledged LOOOONG before any outcome was known... (and she hasn't been picking up any new ones, either)....

    (P.S., the PPP poll showed Obama up 2% over Clinton in PA, and the Insider Advantage showed Clinton up 3% in PA... so it looks like PA is going to eek out as a tie unless Clinton decides to get caught in any more lies... i.e. ... her last shot at taking the popular vote is *not* happening.

    April 3, 2008 05:06 pm at 5:06 pm |
  16. Tammy

    The clinton camp, along with HilBill will always want to change the rules or the game plan to win. Hillary is a flip flopper–she will put on the act to get I mean buy, cheat, bully votes and voters anyway she can. She will play the race and gender card till she gets her way. I can hear her behind closed doors screaming that this is HER election and she deserves to win. Must suck that she thought she was the democratic favorite and the competion was alot tougher than thought. If she gets elected we will all lose. Oh, yea and look at the pork barrel monies she was earmarked with.

    April 3, 2008 05:07 pm at 5:07 pm |
  17. Arthur-Texas

    Hillary will win the poular vote and be our nominee.
    Superdelegates and surrogate shoild shut up about the race until all the primaries are over.
    Whatever the say will be misinterpeted by an alreay bias media and may affect some voters thinking..

    April 3, 2008 05:07 pm at 5:07 pm |
  18. Talimee

    She can still win the popular vote and for the sake of the party Michigan and Florida should be counted in that vote.

    April 3, 2008 05:08 pm at 5:08 pm |
  19. Felly

    I have always believed that Obama's campaign is an inspiring movement which the Clintons cannot stop. No more Bush-Clinton, Bush-Clinton dynasty. America wake up!

    April 3, 2008 05:08 pm at 5:08 pm |
  20. Obama welcomes Hillary supporters

    Although you Billary supporters have been acting really really dumb lately, we will take you in with open arms.

    Democrats unite!

    April 3, 2008 05:08 pm at 5:08 pm |
  21. Bill, Covington

    Anyone taking any bets on when these two clowns will claim they are switching to the Obama camp, where they have secretly been since day one. Someone suggested yesterday that Obama is both black and white, and there is that movement that thinks this Republic will destruct if we do not elect a black&white president.
    Have a nice day!

    April 3, 2008 05:09 pm at 5:09 pm |
  22. justobserve

    The Clintons said even pledged delegates can still change their mind and vote HER against people's votes in primaries/caucuses. So what is the fuss if some superdelegates having promised them their votes but change now based on their conscience? Anyway, can anyone still believe the Clintons now? They can talk as long as they like,...

    April 3, 2008 05:10 pm at 5:10 pm |
  23. Arthur-Texas

    Hillary will win the poular vote and be our nominee.
    Superdelegates and surrogate should shut up about the race until all the primaries are over.
    Whatever the say will be misinterpeted by an alreay bias media and may affect some voters thinking..

    April 3, 2008 05:10 pm at 5:10 pm |
  24. toriganthe

    Hillary is going to run as an independent, so as not to disenfranchise all those voters.

    Either that or she will run long enough to hurt the chances of Obama winning the general election so that she can come back in 2012.

    Believe it!

    Obama supporters want Hillary to step down cause she is hurting the democrats. Is that so hard to see?

    April 3, 2008 05:10 pm at 5:10 pm |
  25. Terri

    Please go away Hillary, we are sick of you and all your lies. YOU LOST! Any Hillary supporters not willing to vote for Obama when he wins are not really democrats anyway.

    April 3, 2008 05:11 pm at 5:11 pm |
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