April 3rd, 2008
04:32 PM ET
10 years ago

Clinton backers: She must win popular vote

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/04/03/art.corzmurth.gi.jpg caption=" Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton."]
(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."

Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.

Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.

Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.

- CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

soundoff (390 Responses)
  1. Tex

    Looks like two more Clinton super delegates beginning to rationalize how they now might switch over to Obama. Nobody wants to go down with a sinking ship. This shows Hillary's own supporters are seeing her campaign going down the tubes. Money problems are staggering and the Clinton camapign is known as a bunch of "deadbeats." Seems even the "fat cats" have wised up and stopped throwing money on a losing cause.

    Obama 08

    April 3, 2008 03:28 pm at 3:28 pm |
  2. sozzi

    She must win popular vote & most delegates. PERIOD.

    April 3, 2008 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  3. bill from pa

    This sounds like the superdelegates telling the country they will not overturn the voters of the democratic party. Now what happens if she has the most popular vote and he has the most delegates??

    April 3, 2008 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  4. Michael

    Her win the popular vote? How can she when a good majority of America can't stand her? What will they do..try to remake her image? It won't ever happen.

    April 3, 2008 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  5. Drew

    YOU can't win, Hillary. You can't win. Congratulations on losing the nomination that was SUPPOSED to be yours by Feb. 5. Poor managment skills and exposure of the REAL you have lead to this great collapse. Dems must unite behind Obama unless they want 4 more years of Republican BS. Love him or hate him, Obama is a better choice than the War-Supporting, NAFTA-Loving, Bush-Tax-Break-To-The-Rich-Giving John McCain.

    Obama/Richardson '08

    April 3, 2008 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  6. By Any Means Neccessary: The new Clinton slogan

    The popular vote argument is fatally flawed. A number of Obama's wins have come in caucus states, where the popular vote was never recorded. In Iowa for example, he beat her by 9 points in the caucus math but most experts had the overall number of supporters demonstrating a MUCH bigger gap.

    April 3, 2008 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  7. John

    Ok, Obama has won Colorado, Missouri, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Virginia, all crucial swing states. He came within 1 percentage point of winning New Mexico, another state destined to be tight this year. Please tell me how HRC is supposed to be a "stronger" candidate when she has only won a state with more than 60% one time? Obama has racked up numerous 4-2 and 3-1 wins over her, and her supporters say that since she won Ohio, Texas, and California she is more electable. The Florida and Michigan "wins" are debatable. Besides this point, a primary win doesn't mean you will win that state in the fall. HRC or Obama aren't going to win Texas in the general election, and will have to fight in Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Obama can win in places like Virginia and Colorado, while she probably would do well in West Virginia and Arkansas. They both have their strengths, but I don't think HRC is necessarily more "electable".

    April 3, 2008 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  8. Jan, Knoxville, TN

    President Carter: Please get on the bandwagon and officially endorse Barack Obama. He will make a great President. Thank you for your wonderful service to our country.

    April 3, 2008 03:29 pm at 3:29 pm |
  9. Buchner

    She can not win the popular vote, is Obama who do that and will do it again and again, pls Mrs Clinton giveup,the figth this time, try again next time after 4 yrs.the game is over Obama is the person,all white,black, native,latinos and asia america want to lead ur country as presdent for 2008/2009 after world police Bush,so do not give the vote to Mc cain pls pls go away.

    From Germany

    April 3, 2008 03:30 pm at 3:30 pm |
  10. Jim Shimmer

    And there you have it. Billary has lost!
    Give up now when there is hope we can defeat the republicans..

    She will stoop to any low and she is willing to tear the party apart for her wimps and fancies!! Sicks I tell you makes me sick...

    April 3, 2008 03:30 pm at 3:30 pm |
  11. aware

    Carter what?

    A funny thing happened on the way to the general election. Bush started to look better, and McCain became a viable option for Democrats. 🙂

    The media love affair with the Obama super con made television viewing a thing of the past. The far right began to seem less dangerous and more sensible than the far left and many Americans became ashamed of their country for the first time.

    Racism and racial division increased at an exponential rate, and the candidate of hope and unity became the candidate of disbelief and dispair.

    Go ahead Democrats make the super con with his old style politics your nominee and watch democrats flock to McCain!

    April 3, 2008 03:30 pm at 3:30 pm |
  12. matt

    she will win the popular vote PERIOD

    April 3, 2008 03:30 pm at 3:30 pm |
  13. Obama For 2 terms!

    Well in that case its over....do the math!

    April 3, 2008 03:30 pm at 3:30 pm |
  14. Dia Akin

    Lol......At least her supporters are HONEST with themselves and I respect their decision to cast his vote for Obama if he wins the popular vote. Going against the voice of the people basically defeats the purpose of the primaries. She cries about "disenfranchising" the Michigan and Florida voters but suggesting super delegates pick the 2nd place candidate would be disenfranchising the entire nation.

    She's a hypocrite and I'm glad she got slapped in the face for her cockiness in believing we "owed" her the presidency. Good for her.

    Obama 08!!!

    April 3, 2008 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  15. David

    Corzine is the Governor and former Senator from NJ.

    April 3, 2008 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  16. Al

    Are the Hillary supporters gonna call them traitors too?

    April 3, 2008 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  17. Joanne

    What is wrong with people. She wants to break the rules in order to win. It was agreed that Florida and Michigan wouldn't count. Have some integrity and honor what you agreed to.

    April 3, 2008 03:31 pm at 3:31 pm |
  18. Seam, Philly PA

    How can you morons count any of the votes in Michigan for Obama? His name wasn't on the ballot. The uncomitted vote is not a true number to represent Obama's popular vote total. A mojority of voters stayed home due to the stupid government's decision in Michigan to break party rules.

    April 3, 2008 03:32 pm at 3:32 pm |
  19. Ronald

    Wow, you guys are just wanting James Carville to call you names, aren't you?

    April 3, 2008 03:32 pm at 3:32 pm |
  20. Donald, SC

    Even Sen. Clinton's supports have limts.

    April 3, 2008 03:33 pm at 3:33 pm |
  21. Terry Frakes

    im just waiting for Obama the hypocrate to take the nomination so i can switch to republican as i did when i voted for Ronald Reagan. I have not trusted Obama since 07' and it will be a cold day in hell before i ever trust that one. He has his fingers in so much corruption and people are being so fooled by his stupid speeches. Have a great time Obama supporters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 03:33 pm at 3:33 pm |
  22. Slick Hilly

    I don't care what anybody says. I don't HAVE to win anything in order to get the nomination. It's never been about winning. It's about making everyone else lose, until I'm the only one left standing.

    April 3, 2008 03:33 pm at 3:33 pm |
  23. Edgar - Orlando, Florida

    I am hopping she does or else I will have jump on the Obama train and I really don't want to.

    April 3, 2008 03:33 pm at 3:33 pm |

    It is fair to say Clinton will need to close the gap in the popular vote. This is not scandalous. Murtha just threw his support behind Hillary. He is not retreating but rallying the troops to turn out in big numbers on April 22. Hillary is doing better nationally. I believe she will re extend her Pennsylvania lead in the week before the primary.

    April 3, 2008 03:33 pm at 3:33 pm |
  25. Ray, Atlanta Ga


    April 3, 2008 03:34 pm at 3:34 pm |
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