April 24th, 2008
10:45 AM ET
14 years ago

Richardson: Clinton supporters 'clinging to the throne'


Watch Carville and Richardson square off on Larry King Live.

(CNN) – After weeks of verbal brawling, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and James Carville spoke for the first time on CNN’s Larry King Live Wednesday night. Richardson – now a supporter of Barack Obama – called Hillary Clinton backers like Carville ‘a dynasty’ that is ‘clinging to the throne.’

The CNN contributor defended calling Richardson a ‘Judas’ in a New York Times interview after the governor announced his endorsement of Obama.

“I said it. I was quoted accurately. I was quoted in context. I thought it was an appropriate metaphor,” Carville told King. “If it would have been the Fourth of July, I would have said ‘Benedict Arnold,’” Carville said.

Richardson called Carville’s response “typical of the reaction of Clinton supporters.”

“They feel they’re a dynasty. They’re clinging to the throne,” Richardson added.

Watch Carville and Richardson clash over whether the results in the Florida and Michigan primaries should help determine the Democratic Party’s nominee, whether Obama should agree to more debates before Indiana and North Carolina vote May 6 - and whether the primary race has become so negative it’s hurting the party’s prospects in the general election.

soundoff (313 Responses)
  1. Klaus from Vancouver

    Enough of the debates! It's getting silly and trivial. Obama was right about the ABC debate. It took 45 minutes before actual issues important to country were discussed. He even decided not to go after Clinton on embelishing her heroism in Bosnia. He wants to take the high road. He wanted to disdcuss issues effecting the average American citizen and not lapel pins and gafs.

    In the Presidential race, we'll be lucky to see four debates. So why should their be another in the Democratic primary, where we have already seen 20+/-? Because Clinton is looking for free advertisement and she is behind in the race. Her campaign is also broke. Hillary also likes to twist the knife into Obama on trivial issues and pretends she's Annie Oakley. Obama has had enough of that type of negative / destructive campaigning and will now go directly to the voters and state his platform. That's how it should be this point foward.

    April 24, 2008 01:00 pm at 1:00 pm |

    Richardson is a Judas, with friends like him who needs enimies?

    April 24, 2008 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  3. John WA

    Richardson is a wise man. He served the President well. He owes nothing to the former presidents wife. In primaries all the states usually don't vote.Some people seem to not know the difference between a primary and a general election. Also, to say that a person would not win a state in the general because they lost the primary is not a valid arguement-especially if the results were close. Hillary is playing people for fools. She is very aware of how she spins this. Why do you think so many people that have known her for years are backing Obama?

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  4. wonder

    I watched the show too. Richardson was so anxious to talk and interrupted Carville a lot. I feel he's really in pain to face Carville. Why he cannot relax a little bitWhat Carville said is reasonable to me.

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  5. Lee WV

    Clinton is clinging to the experience issue and electability issues.No president that has ever been elected to a first term has had experience.First lady (or Second )whichever the case is is not experience.It's an insult to my intelligence to try to tell me that because 10% of voters or less in the so called big states liked her better than him that he cannot take the 45% that did and build on that and win these states against McCain.Richardson made a wise choice and many others to come will.Carville can vote McCain if he wants.

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  6. Paris

    Great show, Carville is right.
    It is the primaries and candidates still need to EARN people’s votes.
    They must answer more and more questions and have debates.
    Wanting the debates to stop and call out the nominee when people are still Voting is more like “Clinging to the throne”!

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  7. Mat

    Clinton makes the argument that Super Delegates should make their own choice, not on the popular vote. But when one of these SD makes a choice on who he or she thinks is best against their state and not for Clinton – her campaign freaks out!! It's one rule for her and another for others.

    Carville is blowing smoke and spining crap. If Obama wins NC or IN then it's over – there is no way she can come back – I'm so sick of the Clinton campaign!!

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  8. richard - Minneapolis

    If you ever wanted to see a characterization of the race between Clinton and Obama, last night's "debate" between Carville and Richardson was it! James Carville, while declaring that he'd support Obama if he became the nominee, was steadily tearing Obama down, making pejorative comments about Bill Richardson, and demanding that FL's and MI's illegal votes be counted so his candidate, Hillary Clinton, could be declared the nominee. James Carville was arrogant and condescending, ranting, holding to the crazy point that the candidates should hold more and more debates (as if 21 aren't enough!) and refused to retract his "Judas" comments about Bill Richardson. (He declined to say why he refused to indict Robert Reich, another Clinton's Secretary of Labor, who also chooses to support Obama.)

    Bill Richardson was civil, consistent and showed great integrity. He stated the obvious – that Hillary and Bill feel entitled and will pull (have pulled) every trick in the book to have their way at the peril of the whole democratic party.

    Last night, James Carville epitomized Hillary Clinton's campaign: angry, demanding, condescending. Bill Richardson, fortunately, was the Obama image. I like Bill Richardson!

    Obama '08!

    April 24, 2008 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  9. Maria

    Governor Richardson enforce the latino stereotype of "oportunismo"; he kept the nation in "suspense" while deciding which candidate was better for HIM, his career and political future.. going against his constituency and the interest of the latino community as a whole, that he as one of their leader should have always represented. The diversity of the latino community is their strenght and so far a majority has been united behind the candidacy of Sen. Clinton that better represents their concrete interests and also knows the socio-economic aspects of the countries of origin of latinos/as.
    Latinos have a unique opportunity in this election to embrace the interesting moment in history to support a capable women as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, "Less developed" latin-american countries have done it: Argentina, Chile, as well as important countries such as Germany.
    What matters to latinos more than an “abstract change” is how the concrete programs offered by the candidates will impact their lives as part of an important minority group in the USA.

    April 24, 2008 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  10. dwho

    Bill Richardson is right Hillary Clinton backers like Carville, 'a dynasty' that is 'clinging to the throne'.

    America's form of government is a Demoncratic system. Every American has a free will regardless of affiliations to vote for a CANDIDATE who he/she determined is capable to run this country.

    But lame supporters like Carville think the White House is a throne that belongs to either the Clintons and Bush's familes or that should be owned by such families.

    Such supporters tend to believe that the government should be OF THE BUSH'S FAMILY, BY THE CLINTONS' FAMILY AND FOR THE CLINTONS AND BUSH'S FAMILIES.

    Such supporters think that every one should pay homage to the Clintons and Bush's families by saying HAIL THE KING'S FAMILIES or VOTE for the Royal FAMILies. A person who will not hail or vote for the royal families will be denigrated or ostracized

    With such belief system the American people are just followers of the royal families in the eyes of such lame supporters.

    April 24, 2008 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  11. Danny

    Carville you are right take on. Look Richardson support Obama but he said Obama not going to win that's flip-flop like Obama and Kerry. McCain is Bush third term bad McCain better than Bush this is flip-flop
    Mr. Obama and this is not a President of the United States. He doesn't place his hand over his heart in the presence of American flag this is not
    a President of the United States people.

    Hillary 08 President.

    April 24, 2008 01:04 pm at 1:04 pm |
  12. Tex-gal

    I believe Bill Richardson is not in tune with Democrats, we all have a different view of who we support and why. We can judge a candidate by his/her merits, actions, and policies, each one is advocating.

    I support Hillary Clinton for president of the U.S. and I do not want to be influenced by Richardson, any super delegate, or the DNC. I was listening to one of Obama's campaign speeches and I clearly heard him say "I believe in some form of evolution". Pure existence is actuality, it can not be modified, a person is perfect in actuality. This country was established under the Judeo-Christian believes. You either believe in God, or you do not. I know this is a country of immigrants composed of many religions and believes,but when I heard this, I was completely astound. I will not vote for Obama. He would be a danger to this country.

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  13. Tim

    I think it was Richardson who once said "since when was it so bad for someone to have experience". Seems he doesn't really do what he means. I used to have a lot more respect...but like many of the elders in this party they think to highly of themselves. I'm a supporter of Clinton's not because I want a dynasty, but after listening to the input from her and Obama, I really believe she has the experience to do a great job. Obama gives great speeches...period.

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  14. Dave, California

    You know things are bad for the party when democrats start insulting and abandoning Bill Clinton's presidency. Interesting how it took another democrat for them to see what the republicans knew all along.

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  15. Info

    Carville is a bitter old man

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  16. Cynthia

    Bill Richardson said in the interview on Larry King Live that all states should be able to vote. I do believe that the negativity is dividing the Democratic party. One important thing that was said in the Presidential race when Bill Richardson was still a candidate – that all candidates had agreed that Michigan and FLorida would not be counted because they did not follow the rules set by the DNC.

    April 24, 2008 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  17. Darlene

    I felt Richardson's sincerity in why he endorsed Obama. I think in the beginning didn't think Hillary would be a bad President he just thought Obama would be better to bring about the famous "CHANGE". However, Richardson has now been bashed for his decision to join Obama almost as much as Obama has for Rev. Wright, which I could tell was starting to leave that bad sour Clinton taste in his mouth.

    Very eloquently he pointed out that some like Carville are more interested in the Clintons taking over the party again than the actually Presidency or the good of the Democratic Party.

    It is all about the Clintons and their faithful followers and their attitude of entitlement at all cost.

    April 24, 2008 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  18. kayla

    atleast he's not a puppet to the clinton's like carville

    April 24, 2008 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  19. Bill

    Carville represents the dark side of American politics. In 1996, when Bob Dole, a man who had volunteered for combat when he could have gotten a deferment and then was nearly blown in half trying to rescue a fallen comrade, challenged then First Lady Hillary Clinton's notion that "it takes a village" to raise a child, Carville called him a liar.

    Now Carville pointedly ignores white and African American Democratic leaders supporting Senator Obama and kicks the most prominent Latino politician in America to the curb. I guess the Clinton campaign wasn't content with alienating African Americans.

    April 24, 2008 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  20. Stacy G.

    In Your Dreams, Toronto Girl! I saw this episode as well, and Governor Richardson is NOT AT ALL BITTER. The Clintons, as well as their supporters, including James Carville, who is an idiot! are the one's who are bitter!

    Governor Richardson owes nothing to the Clintons, every position he held with that administration, HE EARNED! He did a great job in the process. No one owes anything to their employers, past or present other than to do the job, they are being paid to do!

    There are also numerous other people working in Senator Obama's campagn who were with the Clinton Administration as well, so that should tell you something about the Clintons. Or perhaps you have been under sniper fire, with Hillary Clinton, in her delusionary world as well!

    I say Bravo!, to Governor Richardson for taking a stand for a candidate and a movement he sincerely believes in, as well as all the other elected officials who have come out in endorsement, and support of Senator Obama.

    April 24, 2008 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  21. Tim

    Obviously growing facial hair makes one loose their intellect.

    April 24, 2008 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  22. Steven

    Having seen this show, I was disgusted with Richardson. He is obviously personally very angry at the Clintons, and this anger is clouding his judgment about what is best for the country. He sounds like a child who is going to take his toys and go home. Very disappointing.

    April 24, 2008 01:07 pm at 1:07 pm |
  23. Ed in GA

    I feel that the Clintons was helped more by the Richardson cabinet appointment since he helped them cultivate and solidify a Latino base that Hillary is still enjoying now. The thought of him owing them something is laughable to the highest decible.

    April 24, 2008 01:07 pm at 1:07 pm |
  24. ajks

    Carville has stated before that "the Michigan and Florida votes not being counted is like stopping a ballgame in the third quarter." I say that when everybody knows the rules before the ballgame starts you do not change the rules after three-quarters of a game. He seems to think Clinton deserves the nomination as "her" right–no matter how many rules they have to change.

    April 24, 2008 01:07 pm at 1:07 pm |
  25. Betty

    One thing I noticed when watching this last night was that yes Bill R is very bitter toward the Clintons and that he was extremely nrveous he kept moving around in his chair biting at the corner of his lip eyes were blinking 60 miles an hour
    He was not comfortable in his appearance at all
    He supported BO oh well but why does he feel the need to go out and bash the Clintons every chance he gets??
    Is that considered negative?
    Bill R refused to respond to why BO refuses the revote in Mich and FL when people had offered to pay for it
    Of course he did have to say why should BO do a debate after he was attacked at the last one OMG
    He is concerned that BO will fall on his face the way he did the last time
    BO has him by the neck and it shows
    All the print of Hillary attacking Hillary going neg has any body seen the clips of his stumps or the ads he puts out or is it racist to comment on BOs negativity?
    I thought at one time Bill R was an ok guy but after the last few weeks -He is just a pansy little creep
    Does Bill R get it that when Bo bashes Bill Cs years in office he is bashing him as well??
    Bill R keeps pounding on his years of service well according to BO they werent worth any thing!
    So BO thinks Bill R is as dumb as the rest of us typical white people

    April 24, 2008 01:07 pm at 1:07 pm |
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