April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
14 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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soundoff (627 Responses)
  1. Mike

    Hillary moving the goalpost, again ..
    So Caucuses don't count ?

    April 24, 2008 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm |
  2. Kate

    This is just yet another example of this woman's insufferable ego. She is already making the minds up of Americans. Hmm...sounds familiar..say election 2000 when Fox made up the minds of Americans before any official polling was done....

    April 24, 2008 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm |
  3. Nick - Arlington, VA


    April 24, 2008 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm |
  4. wwf

    What is this person talking about. Listening to her talk trying to make a point for herself at the expense of the American people is like Bush saying the economy has just slowed down. Neith of them deal in reality.

    April 24, 2008 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm |
  5. Angus McDugan

    Hillary and Bill have not problem in changing the rules to suit their needs. People, it is not week to change your mind. You have been mislead by the Clintons and that is not your fault. Reject Hillary's and Bill's deceptions, be strong, and vote for someone else.

    April 24, 2008 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm |
  6. Eugene

    I will be patient. I will not react to this. In two weeks no one will remember this. The flowering trees are looking beautiful.

    April 24, 2008 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm |
  7. ShannonL

    Is it Clinton's fault that Obama was stupid enough to take his name off of the Michigan balot? Both sides have shown a lack of foresight. Clinton should have planned past super Tuesday and Obama should have never removed his name from Michigan.

    April 24, 2008 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  8. Dirty South

    Hillary you can't get those popular votes counted in because they don't count. Please leave it alone.

    April 24, 2008 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  9. Ron, TX

    This whole Clinton popular vote argument is ridiculous. She might as well be screaming that only states beginning with N or P should count. She wants to exclude the 4 caucus states that didn't have popular vote counts, and she doesn't want to count the uncommitted vote in Michigan that voted AGAINST her. What exactly is Clinton's popular vote math? Exclude people who voted against me, and count people who voted for me twice!

    According to the metric used by the DNC, Obama is most definitely ahead in the popular vote. Michigan and Florida never even had primaries for this nomination process...

    April 24, 2008 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  10. Ravi

    Yet another example of the Clinton campaign spinning lies and half-truths for funding. Why isn't CNN reporting anything on Paul v Clinton?

    April 24, 2008 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  11. Say What?

    She isn't counting caucuses either, but as her campaign said "those are boutiques states."

    Hillary, you are a shame to your party.

    p.s. counting MI and FL still has Obama ahead quite a bit. You are the biggest liar. Bye bye.

    April 24, 2008 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  12. AZM

    OH the absolute Hypocracy of it all...

    NOTHING and I mean NOTHING was more important than the Florida voters in 2000.... but now... oh no... the shoes on the other foot.

    Obama, the DNC and everyone else should be ashamed about how this panned out. I know that Mich and Florida knew if they moved their primaries this could happen... but ask the avg person in Florida and Mich if they knew their votes would be worthless....

    April 24, 2008 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  13. Jaret

    More spin an lies from the Clinton camp. Nothing to see here, move along.

    April 24, 2008 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm |
  14. Jenna, NY

    And also you should consider all the votes won by Billy Boy in 1992 and 1996.

    Hillary – 2 words for you.


    April 24, 2008 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm |
  15. Jeff

    I remember elections with only one person on the ballot – they were held in the Soviet Union and other oppressive nations.

    How ironic it is that she would want these votes counted – especially when she agreed to not have them count.

    Democracies that work are nations of laws – not of people – that is the stuff of which dictators are made.

    April 24, 2008 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm |
  16. Carrie in Texas

    Enough of your "fuzzy math," Hillary.

    Get thee to a nunnery!

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  17. mama4obama

    Thats right lady...the only way you can win is by cheating. Why is this even an issue. The rules were agreed upon. Florida and Michigan broke the rules and were punished accordingly.

    The people of those states need to vote new representatives in and that is how you avoid this kind of corruption from happening again.

    Dont think for a second Hillary wasnt in on that deal. She is a snake and she slithers and strikes when she can draw the most blood.

    This is a non-issue. The deal is done. Go Home Hillary.

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  18. Shirley, Silicon Valley, CA

    Hillary is a CRAZY woman!

    She lives in her fantasy land and wants everybody else to blindly follow the million of words she vomits!

    Shame on you, Hillary!

    DROP OUT NOW! Hillary is such a DISGRACE!

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  19. PLJ

    Hillary Clinton has some real psychological issues, I am getting concerned about her, she is not wrapped tight at all.

    I'm wondering if some type of mental issue runs in her family or not, because she is seriously a ready to snap case....

    She has shown every psychotic side of herself, now she has added the state of denial to that list...

    Hillary Girlfriend pull it together...and fire your campaign strategist, because they are clearly giving you the wrong advise on how to go about winning this thing..

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  20. Blake

    How do you only win 55% of the vote in a contest in Michigan where you and Dennis Kucinich are the only names on the ballot?

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  21. Chuck

    I might add that she also publically stated that the votes in Florida and Michigan would not count. How many times has she changed her mind on this? How many times has she tried to undermine the DNC as well as her competition with this? This is just another spin by the Clinton Spin Machine, I just wish this woman would abide by the rules that she agreed upon once and for all. Yet we all know that would be like putting a quarter in you hand, blinking your eyes and expecting it to turn to 100lbs of gold. I have no idea why CNN is giving this a headline, it only creates controversy, and keeps the political pot stired up.

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  22. Woman for Obama in OKC

    so Clinton signed something stating the votes in Florida and Michigan would not count and now because she is losing (yet again) she throws the voted in there. Just another day in the life of Hilary the dishonest.

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  23. Obama will be President

    She is delusional!


    How stupid does she think we are?

    April 24, 2008 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm |
  24. Hillary-ious

    This might be a compelling debate if there was any possible way to determine what the actual popular vote totals are.

    Some of the Caucus states, about seven of them I think, do not even record popular vote totals. Why, you might ask? Because for better or for worse, our system is about delegates, not popular votes. As a result, some caucus states only record the delegate outcomes, not the popular vote count.

    That reason alone should be all the reason superdelegates need to determine that the "popular vote" argument doesn't hold any water whatsoever.

    April 24, 2008 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm |
  25. Michael, Canada

    This is a dishonest argument. The Democratic nominee is elected by delegates and not overall popular vote. Clinton can huff and puff all she wants but it won't change the fact that Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in delegates. And that is what matters.

    April 24, 2008 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm |
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